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Australia passes laws to get data from AppChats - Can it be done

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Old 5th Dec 2018, 04:24
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Australia passes laws to get data from AppChats - Can it be done

Think Federal laws just passed in Australia to give authorities access to AppChat data for serious crimes , such as Whatsapp , Telegram , Line etc

Some deal done over the past couple of days with Labour Party, calling them "world first" laws

Are these guys (Aussie Politicians) sort of missing the point a bit ? That these tech companies are often based in the USA , don't have a "presence" in Australia
& would likely just say "we don't care what laws you pass in Australia or what warrants Australia courts may issue, they are meaningless to us"
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Are these guys (Aussie Politicians) sort of missing the point a bit ?
Quite probably! Recent history reveals a prodigious talent for doing just that ....
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Are these guys (Aussie Politicians) sort of missing the point a bit ? That these tech companies are often based in the USA , don't have a "presence" in Australia
& would likely just say "we don't care what laws you pass in Australia or what warrants Australia courts may issue, they are meaningless to us"
Hmmm.

Perhaps what they have in mind is that they might require the user to provide access under criminal penalty upon failure.

The UK requires disclosure of crypto keys and failure results in a couple of years in jail in less serious cases. Forgetting is no excuse.

Metadata would be easily available and can be very informative too.

Or maybe they think they can hack it?

So even without the co-operation of the app developers there is still prospect of some law enforcement progress.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8516471.html
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/1...on_keys_power/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-of-jail-time/

2007 was a while ago, perhaps changes have been made since.
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Usual clueless politicians !

The real 'bad guys' will just have someone create a bespoke encrypted message app and use servers overseas. Trivial in the scheme of things. And will they ban VPN's in Oz ? Of course not. Business relies on encryption for MS Outook, Banking, etc.

It's a joke ( amongst many others spawned by polticians in Oz recently).
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Yes it just all seems a bit like a wobbly , confused walkabout from a Fed Govt desperate for a "good news" story

I have to take your points ; there has been some real weird sh** going on in Oz the last few years

Allowing ex-Captains to remain as players for the Aussie first eleven -you just don't do that, just like former PMs staying in parliament - there is a phrase about
smells and hanging that I just can't quite remember. The emergence of a weird christian right faction in the conservative party

Confused dithering pollys who are jumping at shadows. Economy relatively strong so Turnbull was going to win in Fed election in 2019 , but they
took him down and now we have brother "ScoMo" - I sure he is a nice guy but he just looks like a bunny in the spotlights.

Labor are going to decimate these guys next year & will get a two term majority
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