W-10 unexpected update
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I see from the BBC website that, after destroying desktop Windows by pushing a smartphone interface onto the desktop, Microsoft are now getting out of the phone business:
Microsoft hangs up on smartphone workers - BBC News
Microsoft hangs up on smartphone workers - BBC News
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Two registry edits are all that is needed to prevent the W10 unwanted update.
Steve Gibson - GRC.com
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
Never10 manipulates the values and security permission settings of the following two registry keys:
Steve Gibson - GRC.com
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
Never10 manipulates the values and security permission settings of the following two registry keys:
- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx
Under this key, the 32-bit DWORD value “DisableGwx” is set to 1 or completely deleted.
These will be referred to as the “Gwx” key and the “DisableGwx” value. This key and value control the display of the “Get Windows 10” offer icon in the system tray. When DisableGwx is set to 1, the upgrade offer icon is suppressed.
- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windo wsUpdate
Under this key, the 32-bit DWORD value “DisableOSUpgrade” is set to 1 or completely deleted.
These will be referred to as the “WindowsUpdate” key and the “DisableOSUpgrade” value. This key and value control the downloading and installation of any upgrades to Windows. When DisableOSUpgrade is set to 1, any previously downloaded Windows 10 files are deleted and Windows will never attempt to upgrade the current operating system.
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If it's that simple, I have a feeling that while the computer is connected to the World, these items will mysteriously turn on again. Also, a harder to find routine is probably already waiting in the wings.
Paranoid, moi?
Paranoid, moi?
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I installed windows 10 to give it a try after all they do say if you don't like it you can switch back to windows 7 (etc). I tried it didn't like it and clicked on the roll back button.
during the roll back it somehow corrupted several files and broke the main frame.
a week later and somewhat out of pocket after a vist to the repair shop I'm back on windows 7.
the repair guy installed something on my laptop to stop windows 10 from installing its self.
during the roll back it somehow corrupted several files and broke the main frame.
a week later and somewhat out of pocket after a vist to the repair shop I'm back on windows 7.
the repair guy installed something on my laptop to stop windows 10 from installing its self.
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I think Steve Gibson has written "Never 10" in a script this time using Microsoft’s own Group Policy Manager to deliberately and legitimately invoke the policy controls to prevent Microsoft running the offending updates.
Declaration: I am a Spinwrite owner and regularly listen to the commercial podcasts. (Spinwrite only used in action once) - Please correct me if I'm wrong - Anyone.
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I think Steve Gibson has written "Never 10" in a script this time using Microsoft’s own Group Policy Manager to deliberately and legitimately invoke the policy controls to prevent Microsoft running the offending updates.
Declaration: I am a Spinwrite owner and regularly listen to the commercial podcasts. (Spinwrite only used in action once) - Please correct me if I'm wrong - Anyone.
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https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm
How on Earth....!?
Two days ago my teenage son announced that he had "accidentally" upgraded to W10 on his computer.
Now he did not even have Administrator privileges on his account! So how can that be?
My administrator account was gone. My antivirus software of preference was gone. The Microsoft Family Safety internet monitoring of his account was gone. Had he not been (slightly grudgingly) prepared to let me onto his account to re-establish my own account it would have been a total lockout.
I am at a loss to know how MS can let their upgrades play fast and loose with the system security in this way.
Now he did not even have Administrator privileges on his account! So how can that be?
My administrator account was gone. My antivirus software of preference was gone. The Microsoft Family Safety internet monitoring of his account was gone. Had he not been (slightly grudgingly) prepared to let me onto his account to re-establish my own account it would have been a total lockout.
I am at a loss to know how MS can let their upgrades play fast and loose with the system security in this way.
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I am at a loss to know how MS can let their upgrades play fast and loose with the system security in this way.
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Apparently Microsoft have changed the way the update reminder works. Clicking the red cross will initiate the update
Microsoft accused of Windows 10 upgrade 'nasty trick' - BBC News
Obviously not getting the uptake they wanted.
Microsoft accused of Windows 10 upgrade 'nasty trick' - BBC News
Obviously not getting the uptake they wanted.
In the end I did the obvious, 'Started Task Manager', looked under 'applications' and could see the 'Update box' running as a piece of software so I simply selected it and performed an 'End Task'.
Naturally it got rid of the update box and off I happily went as normal.
Obviously not a permanent solution but a quick and easy get out of jail free card if you need it.
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Well, I ran it on my W7 i7 Vaio and it took the blink of an eye.
I'd already had one 'Threat' on my brand spanking new install. The S G download told me the current state of affairs. i.e., ready for upgrade.
MS hands out assurances like political promises - words to the effect this machine is suitable for W10 upgrade. Perhaps I could ask them to have the W10 drivers written, because as I've hollered, Sony are not going to.
I'd already had one 'Threat' on my brand spanking new install. The S G download told me the current state of affairs. i.e., ready for upgrade.
MS hands out assurances like political promises - words to the effect this machine is suitable for W10 upgrade. Perhaps I could ask them to have the W10 drivers written, because as I've hollered, Sony are not going to.
Normally Microsoft seem so fastidious about our safety with tedious, near weekly security updates which we endlessly have to install. And yet when it comes to their own upgrades it seems they can break all the rules.
If they wish to run an empire then they need to understand they have to operate by the same rules they apply to their subjects. That's fundamental. If they believe that as rulers they live by different laws then that is the conceit of their undoing (as many Emperors have learned to their cost).
More practically speaking, if they believe their upgrade process is above all reproach and can bypass security protections as convenient, then the first hacker to get on the inside will be their total undoing.
If they wish to run an empire then they need to understand they have to operate by the same rules they apply to their subjects. That's fundamental. If they believe that as rulers they live by different laws then that is the conceit of their undoing (as many Emperors have learned to their cost).
More practically speaking, if they believe their upgrade process is above all reproach and can bypass security protections as convenient, then the first hacker to get on the inside will be their total undoing.
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PC World has quite a bit to say about it. To quote someone: They say it as it is!
Oh, BTW, is anyone using GWX Control Panel on a daily basis for other things? I was unaware of it.
And another BTW. After the Steve Gibson procedure, I had a MS upgrade last night. 1 of 1. To quote myself:
I also said, Paranoid, moi?
Oh, BTW, is anyone using GWX Control Panel on a daily basis for other things? I was unaware of it.
And another BTW. After the Steve Gibson procedure, I had a MS upgrade last night. 1 of 1. To quote myself:
If it's that simple, I have a feeling that while the computer is connected to the World, these items will mysteriously turn on again.
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Windows 10 is actually quite a good operating system!
Windows 10 is actually quite a good operating system. It is different to previous versions of Windows and people are naturally resistant to and suspicious of change.
It is true that some older or very new computers may not have the necessary driver support for some features on their machines. That has also been true of every version of Windows and other operating systems.
With this version of Windows, Microsoft has written an operating system that is capable of working across a wide variety of platforms, desktops, laptops, tablets, and mobile phones. Data can be exchanged between these devices and viewed and edited in its' native format. All very useful and convenient, particularly for commercial users that form the most profitable part of Microsoft's market.
Like any new software, there are bugs but they will be fixed eventually. There may be concerns about the amount of data that is collected by Microsoft, but their main concern is using this data to target adverts and otherwise obtain a commercial advantage over competitors. It really isn't a giant data gathering exercise for the NSA or other organisations. They have sufficient resources already to scoop up everything they need.
The forced upgrades may appear underhand, but by ensuring the maximum number of systems are using the same operating system, it is far easier to provide support, security upgrades and reduce costs. Microsoft is a business trying to maximise profits for their shareholders when all is said and done.
No point moaning about it. Windows 10 is going to be the de facto operating system in the commercial world for the foreseeable future. As with all progress there are winners and losers when it comes to whether this update actually improves the performance of your computer system. The fact is, the vast majority of users are happy with Windows 10 once they get used to a slightly different way of working on the computer.
It is true that some older or very new computers may not have the necessary driver support for some features on their machines. That has also been true of every version of Windows and other operating systems.
With this version of Windows, Microsoft has written an operating system that is capable of working across a wide variety of platforms, desktops, laptops, tablets, and mobile phones. Data can be exchanged between these devices and viewed and edited in its' native format. All very useful and convenient, particularly for commercial users that form the most profitable part of Microsoft's market.
Like any new software, there are bugs but they will be fixed eventually. There may be concerns about the amount of data that is collected by Microsoft, but their main concern is using this data to target adverts and otherwise obtain a commercial advantage over competitors. It really isn't a giant data gathering exercise for the NSA or other organisations. They have sufficient resources already to scoop up everything they need.
The forced upgrades may appear underhand, but by ensuring the maximum number of systems are using the same operating system, it is far easier to provide support, security upgrades and reduce costs. Microsoft is a business trying to maximise profits for their shareholders when all is said and done.
No point moaning about it. Windows 10 is going to be the de facto operating system in the commercial world for the foreseeable future. As with all progress there are winners and losers when it comes to whether this update actually improves the performance of your computer system. The fact is, the vast majority of users are happy with Windows 10 once they get used to a slightly different way of working on the computer.
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Pushing a phone/tablet operating system onto the desktop is not a good plan when no-one wants to buy phones running that operating system, and very few want to buy tablets running it.
I had to use Windows 10 briefly last week. Best thing I can say is that it's not as bad as Windows 8.
I had to use Windows 10 briefly last week. Best thing I can say is that it's not as bad as Windows 8.
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Never 10.exe For Win 7 or 8.1 users
If You are using Win 7 or 8.1 yoy can install ''Never10.exe''
You can access the download from:-
Download Never 10 - MajorGeeks.
This will stop any attempt to install win 10, or gives you the option to change your mind if you want to.
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You can access the download from:-
Download Never 10 - MajorGeeks.
This will stop any attempt to install win 10, or gives you the option to change your mind if you want to.
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If you are using Windows 8.1, I would strongly recommend updating to Windows 10. It is a considerable improvement and you can hide away the mobile features semi permanently if you want.
Windows 7 users have a much trickier decision to make. Unless you need Windows 10 for compatibility with other devices, most home users will be happier sticking with the older version with its media player and other handy applications.
Windows 10 isn't that bad, but it is different and takes some getting used to. The absence of a built in media player is the biggest shortcoming for most users.
Windows 7 users have a much trickier decision to make. Unless you need Windows 10 for compatibility with other devices, most home users will be happier sticking with the older version with its media player and other handy applications.
Windows 10 isn't that bad, but it is different and takes some getting used to. The absence of a built in media player is the biggest shortcoming for most users.
W10 is Microsoft playing catch-up, or trying to, with Apple and Google (Android). The fact that they are forcing people to upgrade is a sign of their desperation to keep their slice of the market. Unfortunately for them, people are increasingly accessing the Internet via other devices and not PCs. Pretty soon all that they'll have left is business, and a lot of those have only just finished sorting out W7. The other problem is that W7 works too well for anyone to want to change to the unknown that is W10. Why else force them to?
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Following GOULI's persuasive post, I'll mention again my occasional missing new toys as I trolley across the room on my office chair to the W7 laptop. But that's not business use, it's playing, and as mentioned this evening, not how MS makes its serious money. Geekiness is for young minds, and mine is failing all too quickly, but I have to say I was intrigued by W10's efforts to catch up OS 10 and Linux with the ability to open multiple desktops and switch quickly between them. I mention the quickly bit, because it seems it's very necessary to learn the keystrokes for power usage.
I'm not sure yet why I need it, but I like it and can impress my friends with the fact I know it's there. Well, the cat . . . I haven't got any friends.
At least now I know why there's a quarter screen when one slaps the second (reduced) File Explorer to one side. But it would have been so nice to be told it was a new desktop. Or is it? I'm not totally sure.
I'm not sure yet why I need it, but I like it and can impress my friends with the fact I know it's there. Well, the cat . . . I haven't got any friends.
At least now I know why there's a quarter screen when one slaps the second (reduced) File Explorer to one side. But it would have been so nice to be told it was a new desktop. Or is it? I'm not totally sure.
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My girlfriend went to visit her mother this weekend. Just got a text to say she was going to email me, but her mother's computer suddenly decided to install Windows 10...
In a sane world, someone would be going to jail over this.
In a sane world, someone would be going to jail over this.