The MS Windows 10 upgrade experience thread.
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That backup and restore option is compatible with Windows 7 backups. So you can continue to backup to Windows 7-style sets and, more importantly, you can restore data from Windows 7 sets.
The normal backup method for Windows 10 is Filehistory, and there are a bazillion third-party solutions of course.
The normal backup method for Windows 10 is Filehistory, and there are a bazillion third-party solutions of course.
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Well, I've now lived with my Win10 upgrade and subsequent reinstall for 2 months and I'm still finding niggling problems and fixing them. I HAVE considered buying a new boot drive (I always keep my profile & data on a separate drive) and doing a total reinstall from scratch, but I seem to have finally managed to get things sorted out.
For all it's touted robustness, you have to be VERY careful doing non-standard things to the OS and the upgrade process really doesn't work too well, leaving an enormous amount of dross in the system, which Windows10 doesn't clean up.
As some of you may have discovered, Win10 no longer has the Media Centre, yet leaves all sorts of references to it in the Registry and boot process. To have a clean system all this has to be removed by hand, with lots of system images made at every turn of the way, in case of some weird regression.
DISM just plain doesn't work. The syntax varies, depending on which genius on the MS Technet wrote in his/her little bit, which is worrying.
The Recovery Environment didn't have winre.wim in it, so until I had extracted it from the iso and replaced it I couldn't even make a System Recovery disk.
All in all an irritating and frustrating experience, though I have learned quite a bit about the system internals of Win10.
It all just reinforces my belief that in Windows at least, upgrades just don't work cleanly.
Bit different from Linux, where you can swap kernels on the fly...
kexec -l /boot/new-kernel --initrd=/boot/new-initrd --reuse-cmdline kexec -e
But my old mobo, though it does have AHCI, can only handle HDDs/SDDs
at 300Gbs rather than the 600Gbs that they're capable of,
so I'm still I/O bound and the dual core CPU is starting to show it's age.
Time to dig into the savings and build myself another vehicle.
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For all it's touted robustness, you have to be VERY careful doing non-standard things to the OS and the upgrade process really doesn't work too well, leaving an enormous amount of dross in the system, which Windows10 doesn't clean up.
As some of you may have discovered, Win10 no longer has the Media Centre, yet leaves all sorts of references to it in the Registry and boot process. To have a clean system all this has to be removed by hand, with lots of system images made at every turn of the way, in case of some weird regression.
DISM just plain doesn't work. The syntax varies, depending on which genius on the MS Technet wrote in his/her little bit, which is worrying.
The Recovery Environment didn't have winre.wim in it, so until I had extracted it from the iso and replaced it I couldn't even make a System Recovery disk.
All in all an irritating and frustrating experience, though I have learned quite a bit about the system internals of Win10.
It all just reinforces my belief that in Windows at least, upgrades just don't work cleanly.
Bit different from Linux, where you can swap kernels on the fly...
kexec -l /boot/new-kernel --initrd=/boot/new-initrd --reuse-cmdline kexec -e
But my old mobo, though it does have AHCI, can only handle HDDs/SDDs
at 300Gbs rather than the 600Gbs that they're capable of,
so I'm still I/O bound and the dual core CPU is starting to show it's age.
Time to dig into the savings and build myself another vehicle.
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I'm a Linux (64 Bit Ubuntu 16.04) user with an old Quad Core Intel® Core™2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz × 4 + GeForce GT 610/PCIe/SSE2 Graphics Processor. + 8 Gig of DDR2 800Mhz RAM. Old DG451 M Board. (As posted on Jet Blast) - The limiting factor for this ancient bit of Kit is both the Memory and I/O controller Temperatures.
AHCL is set in the bios: The little (500 MB) Raptor SATA 1 HDD & Toshiba Red 3TB (Sata 1) disks are I/O limited. (Running temps 29 & 30 Deg C even under load)
In the right (modern motherboard SATA III) environment even disks like these can give great results, the 3TB can even now; give burst reads in excess of 200 MB a second on the kit described & great for internal imaging.
In your circumstances I would keep the SSD/HDD combination and re build the MB and CPU from new with careful attention to RAM Specs.
To complicate things I think Win 10 will have to be re validated.
Please post your progress as I'm finding Windows 7 & 8.1 updates on a variety of my kit to be increasingly problematic.
CAT III
AHCL is set in the bios: The little (500 MB) Raptor SATA 1 HDD & Toshiba Red 3TB (Sata 1) disks are I/O limited. (Running temps 29 & 30 Deg C even under load)
In the right (modern motherboard SATA III) environment even disks like these can give great results, the 3TB can even now; give burst reads in excess of 200 MB a second on the kit described & great for internal imaging.
In your circumstances I would keep the SSD/HDD combination and re build the MB and CPU from new with careful attention to RAM Specs.
To complicate things I think Win 10 will have to be re validated.
Please post your progress as I'm finding Windows 7 & 8.1 updates on a variety of my kit to be increasingly problematic.
CAT III
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Went out to my computer store today for different things, and took the opportunity to ask about all the issues with W10.
He told me that all the issues are related to upgrading or downloading of W10 while on W7 or whatever you've got running.
Their free upgrade caused all these problems.
The solution is to uninstall W7, THEN install W10 from scratch; doing that he said, is the key; W10 works great then.
Hope this helps someone.
Good luck.
He told me that all the issues are related to upgrading or downloading of W10 while on W7 or whatever you've got running.
Their free upgrade caused all these problems.
The solution is to uninstall W7, THEN install W10 from scratch; doing that he said, is the key; W10 works great then.
Hope this helps someone.
Good luck.
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Wrenchalot is correct. I now have a completely fresh install of W10 replacing the W8 upgrade to W10. Much better operation, especially since AMD have got round to producing a display driver dated 4th Dec 2016 which actually works.
I thought the whole idea of W10 was that we wouldn't get another version....
I thought the whole idea of W10 was that we wouldn't get another version....
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I've read the article: and the associated comments - There's a problem with DHCP re the language.
Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol is to my knowledge; used to allocate internal node IP addresses locally by your router within the domain of your local LAN.
The article seems to relate to problems with ISP allocation of router external internet facing WAN (wide area network addresses) to their population of issued user paying customers.
The article is ambiguous: and requires better explanation.
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Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol is to my knowledge; used to allocate internal node IP addresses locally by your router within the domain of your local LAN.
The article seems to relate to problems with ISP allocation of router external internet facing WAN (wide area network addresses) to their population of issued user paying customers.
The article is ambiguous: and requires better explanation.
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No. The article says that Windows machines can't get DHCP addresses from the routers any more. Presumably Microsoft pushed out an update without testing it properly which has broken DHCP requests to those routers for some reason.
It's almost as though laying off thousands of QA staff a year or two back was a bad idea.
It's almost as though laying off thousands of QA staff a year or two back was a bad idea.
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From the Beeb:
Microsoft has also offered guidance to those experiencing difficulties.
"Some customers using Windows 10 have reported difficulties connecting to the internet," said a spokeswoman for Microsoft.
"As a first step, we recommend customers restart their PCs.
"If this does not resolve the problem, visit our website for further support."
If this is the best they can suggest, visiting their web sight when unable to connect to the internet, I would recommend upgrading to a Mac.
"Some customers using Windows 10 have reported difficulties connecting to the internet," said a spokeswoman for Microsoft.
"As a first step, we recommend customers restart their PCs.
"If this does not resolve the problem, visit our website for further support."
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to MG & ExXB
MG: Thanks I will re read the article.
ExXB. In suggesting the Users contact their Software support. I think Microsoft have realised that, given the spectacular performance of Win 10; Users have already bought alternative hardware, are secretly Apple/Linux users or do not live alone.
CAT III
[Addendum]
Win 10 is beginning to look like Vista with Bells on. In trying to develop an Operating System and its associated interface, that works across a variety of platforms (ARM Versions coming soon), in combination with the sacking a large proportion of their QA/QC in house staff, Microsoft have, in some respects; over reached their technical ability to provide a functioning O/S.
There are too many unknowns with Win 10 and using their customer base as a set of beta Testers has been a terrible mistake.
ExXB. In suggesting the Users contact their Software support. I think Microsoft have realised that, given the spectacular performance of Win 10; Users have already bought alternative hardware, are secretly Apple/Linux users or do not live alone.
CAT III
[Addendum]
Win 10 is beginning to look like Vista with Bells on. In trying to develop an Operating System and its associated interface, that works across a variety of platforms (ARM Versions coming soon), in combination with the sacking a large proportion of their QA/QC in house staff, Microsoft have, in some respects; over reached their technical ability to provide a functioning O/S.
There are too many unknowns with Win 10 and using their customer base as a set of beta Testers has been a terrible mistake.
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Plastic PPRuNer
Thanks CAT III!
My Linux and BSD rigs never give me so much bother - problems are much easier to fix without that G'damned registry. And as for the Mac - 'nuff sed.
Now to find a decent midrange mobo (with plenty of slots) and a corresponding quad-core CPU.
Any ideas?
Anyone?
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My Linux and BSD rigs never give me so much bother - problems are much easier to fix without that G'damned registry. And as for the Mac - 'nuff sed.
Now to find a decent midrange mobo (with plenty of slots) and a corresponding quad-core CPU.
Any ideas?
Anyone?
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I have this evening updated the 8.1( Borrowed PC) a Dell 5500 not my antique Win 7.Vostro - It consumed 320 + Megabytes with the download commencing at about 19.20 Z - updated quickly 40 mins total including the requisite "Star Thrower" logo restart. Twice
Anti Vir Scan (commenced 20.20 Z after (C-Cleaner Scan) finished 23.52 Z (On batteries - Mains P/S on loan to Neighbour W10 Person) - Norton of course. 830K plus files processed.
This beast (I7 early model is well behaved) - In all honesty there's more to life.
Watch the W10 forums tomorrow/ sorry today. CAT III
Edit: BEagle I'm afraid the stories about a W11 may be true !
Anti Vir Scan (commenced 20.20 Z after (C-Cleaner Scan) finished 23.52 Z (On batteries - Mains P/S on loan to Neighbour W10 Person) - Norton of course. 830K plus files processed.
This beast (I7 early model is well behaved) - In all honesty there's more to life.
Watch the W10 forums tomorrow/ sorry today. CAT III
Edit: BEagle I'm afraid the stories about a W11 may be true !
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Has anyone been able to run the Airbus PDP using Windows 10? It's not working for me now, and I'm not sure if it's Windows or something else with my computer that's stopping it.
With all the problems Microsoft has inflicted on consumers with the execrable Windows 8, marginally less rubbish Win 8.1 and now the bloated made-for-childrens'-toys Windows 10, is it any surprise that the European market share for Win 10 fell in September, whereas the share for Win 7 increased...??
Out of interest, does anyone over the age of about 14 use that 'Cortana' nonsense?
Out of interest, does anyone over the age of about 14 use that 'Cortana' nonsense?
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Thanks BEagle
Market Share by Operating System by a sampling of Internet usage.
This is a statistical sampling of O.S usage by internet traffic share and has therefore to be treated as a guide. It must be treated as a sampling metric not an absolute count of users.
https://www.netmarketshare.com/opera...10&qpcustomd=0
I have no connection with the organisation. I only use the free data provided.
CAT III [edit: The data is for desktops in my posted link, so you may need edit the options - It is a subscription service unfortunately]
This is a statistical sampling of O.S usage by internet traffic share and has therefore to be treated as a guide. It must be treated as a sampling metric not an absolute count of users.
https://www.netmarketshare.com/opera...10&qpcustomd=0
I have no connection with the organisation. I only use the free data provided.
CAT III [edit: The data is for desktops in my posted link, so you may need edit the options - It is a subscription service unfortunately]
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Interesting to observe that one of Australia's most popular low cost computer supply chains is still offering Windows 7 Professional as an OEM option, and at a marginally higher price than the W 10 equivalent .....
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Windows 10 Pro comes with downgrade rights to Windows 7 Pro, though it can be a bit of a hassle depending on the manufacturer.