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The new home made Draper superputer has two case fans cpu fan and graphic card fan and PSU fan and is a tad on the noisy side, so one has been casting eyes on water coolers anybody got experience of these water cooler thingies? seems a bit dodgy having water tootling about inside a puter case.
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I've watercooled various systems over the years, using kits ranging from numbingly difficult to install, to the more recent consumer-level ones by Corsair. My overall view is, it's fun to do but there's no real advantage for the average PC. But since it's fun as said, I still do it :-)
Since you're concerned about fan noise, perhaps you should work out exactly which fans are noisy, and then see if they would be replaced if you were to install a water cooling kit. If the noise is from the case fans, you might simply consider better-designed and larger fans, if they'll fit. Stock fans can be very low quality indeed.
I built a near-silent PC for a client, using a triple-skinned Antec case designed for noise reduction, a PSU with an oversize fan, and 4 slow-running 12 cm fans rather than the stock 8 cm unit. I considered a fanless PSU but couldn't find an 850-watt unit.
There's a lot of information out there on completely fanless systems, too.
Since you're concerned about fan noise, perhaps you should work out exactly which fans are noisy, and then see if they would be replaced if you were to install a water cooling kit. If the noise is from the case fans, you might simply consider better-designed and larger fans, if they'll fit. Stock fans can be very low quality indeed.
I built a near-silent PC for a client, using a triple-skinned Antec case designed for noise reduction, a PSU with an oversize fan, and 4 slow-running 12 cm fans rather than the stock 8 cm unit. I considered a fanless PSU but couldn't find an 850-watt unit.
There's a lot of information out there on completely fanless systems, too.
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The two case fans are just ones whipped out of redundant PSUs,bearings on them probably causing most of the noise,
Still fancy one of they liquid coolers,they seem a lot cheaper now than when I first looked at them
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Still fancy one of they liquid coolers,they seem a lot cheaper now than when I first looked at them
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IBM mainframe computer disc drives in the 1980's (can't speak for >1990's) always used liquid cooling.
That was for drive unit the size of a filing cabinet with 2 x 2.5Gb disc units inside that cost about £250,000!
That was for drive unit the size of a filing cabinet with 2 x 2.5Gb disc units inside that cost about £250,000!
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As Bushfiva said, could replace the stock CPU fan with a larger unit if there is the space. I used an Akasa Venom (£35.41 from Dabs). Due to the much larger heat sink fed by heat pipes, the fan spins slowly under MB control. Bit fiddly to fit though.
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The CPU already has a serious cooler, heat sink with copper pipes sticking out of it and a large fan,the CPU is a AMD PhenomII quad core 3.6 ghz,think it is just the pottering about lust that has me in its grip,still,think a quieter machine would be nice,tiz that Corair kit I have been looking at Mr Bush.
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That's not necessarily all that serious as cpu coolers go.
You could also go down the route of a quiet case. My pc porn was designed from the outset to be quiet & is divided into three chambers, with two large diameter slow spinning fans & it's remarkably unobtrusive.
You could also go down the route of a quiet case. My pc porn was designed from the outset to be quiet & is divided into three chambers, with two large diameter slow spinning fans & it's remarkably unobtrusive.
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IBM mainframe computer disc drives in the 1980's (can't speak for >1990's) always used liquid cooling.
Then in 92 we threw all the IBM DASD out and got HDS - much better
I remember the room full of chillers for the TCM coolant on the 3084's & 3090's.Mr Draper Sir, have a look at How to Install a Computer Water Cooling System - Popular Mechanics though not entirely sure that's what u wanted
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There is a dealer in Gateshead, who do a range of very high spec machines. Might be worth having a chat with them.
Am I allowed to name them?
A friend of mine has had 2 PC's built by them, lost the first one in the Workington flood just over a year ago. New one is fantastic! and liquid cooled.
PM me if you want the name of the dealer.
Gibbo.
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A friend of mine has had 2 PC's built by them, lost the first one in the Workington flood just over a year ago. New one is fantastic! and liquid cooled.
PM me if you want the name of the dealer.
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haven't bought a ready built computer for years now been building me own these twenty years gorn, since the days of the 386,I tell a lie the first I built from scratch was a 486,used to upgrade memory and such in me first 386
Is the puter shop Orbit? Mr Gibbo? been buying me gear there for a few years now.
Is the puter shop Orbit? Mr Gibbo? been buying me gear there for a few years now.
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The dealer is Cyberpower. I don't know if they sell components, but they certainly have quite a bit of experience of liquid cooling.
My mate went a bit too far, he had 5ft of water in his living room!
I'm sticking to my to my (self-build) air cooled AMD quad core running on PCLinuxOS .
My mate went a bit too far, he had 5ft of water in his living room!
I'm sticking to my to my (self-build) air cooled AMD quad core running on PCLinuxOS .
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Hi,
You can also try the Hydrogen cooling ...
Methink it's nice and more easy than the liquid Nitrogen cooling
Computer cooling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Very effective !
You can also try the Hydrogen cooling ...
Methink it's nice and more easy than the liquid Nitrogen cooling
Computer cooling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Liquid nitrogen
Liquid nitrogen may be used to cool an overclocked PC.
As liquid nitrogen boils at -196 °C, far below the freezing point of water, it is valuable as an extreme coolant for short overclocking sessions.
In a typical installation of liquid nitrogen cooling, a copper or aluminum pipe is mounted on top of the processor or graphics card. After being heavily insulated against condensation, the liquid nitrogen is poured into the pipe, resulting in temperatures well below -100°C.
Evaporation devices ranging from cut out heat sinks with pipes attached to custom milled copper containers are used to hold the nitrogen as well as to prevent large temperature changes. However, after the nitrogen evaporates, it has to be refilled. In the realm of personal computers, this method of cooling is seldom used in contexts other than overclocking trial-runs and record-setting attempts, as the CPU will usually expire within a relatively short period of time due to temperature stress caused by changes in internal temperature.
Although liquid nitrogen is non-flammable, it can condense oxygen directly from air. Mixtures of liquid oxygen and flammable materials can be dangerously explosive.
Liquid nitrogen may be used to cool an overclocked PC.
As liquid nitrogen boils at -196 °C, far below the freezing point of water, it is valuable as an extreme coolant for short overclocking sessions.
In a typical installation of liquid nitrogen cooling, a copper or aluminum pipe is mounted on top of the processor or graphics card. After being heavily insulated against condensation, the liquid nitrogen is poured into the pipe, resulting in temperatures well below -100°C.
Evaporation devices ranging from cut out heat sinks with pipes attached to custom milled copper containers are used to hold the nitrogen as well as to prevent large temperature changes. However, after the nitrogen evaporates, it has to be refilled. In the realm of personal computers, this method of cooling is seldom used in contexts other than overclocking trial-runs and record-setting attempts, as the CPU will usually expire within a relatively short period of time due to temperature stress caused by changes in internal temperature.
Although liquid nitrogen is non-flammable, it can condense oxygen directly from air. Mixtures of liquid oxygen and flammable materials can be dangerously explosive.
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IBM mainframe computer disc drives in the 1980's (can't speak for >1990's) always used liquid cooling.
IBM mainframe computer disc drives in the 1980's (can't speak for >1990's) always used liquid cooling.
Then in 92 we threw all the IBM DASD out and got HDS - much better I remember the room full of chillers for the TCM coolant on the 3084's & 3090's.
We had a dual machine system with an IBM 3090 and an Amdahl 5850(?), so maybe it was the IBM processor rather than the disc drives that were liquid cooled, seem to recall that the Amdahl was air cooled.
The CDC Cyber mainframes installed at Fylingdales in the early 80s were liquid cooled. I don't recall any incidents with the cooling - leaks, etc. Also I recall being told at the time that volume for volume liquid cooling was 5 times more effective than air hence it's use despite the attendant risks from plumbing within the electrical cabinets. I stand to be corrected on this as it's 30 years ago, but I'm pretty sure 5x was the factor.
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I don't remember water cooling being used in mainframes (I'm still relatively young ), but I do remember working on a datacentre refurbishment and having to cater for the removal of all the plumbing for it that was under the floor. The combination of the massively unwieldy data cables and equally unwieldy water pipes meant that there was little space for new power and data runs until the old stuff had been removed.
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), but I do remember working on a datacentre refurbishment and having to cater for the removal of all the plumbing for it that was under the floor. The combination of the massively unwieldy data cables and equally unwieldy water pipes meant that there was little space for new power and data runs until the old stuff had been removed.SD
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Certainly the IBM mainframe I designed a datacentre for in 2004 wasn't water cooled. The fact it needed to have a reinforced floor without water cooling sort of put paid to any extras in the way of water.
Anyway, I would vote against water cooling as i've heard too many horror stories of leaks killing the PC. Try Quiet PC-Quiet PC Hardware-Quiet PC Components-Quiet PC Zalman Products for quieter fans instead
Anyway, I would vote against water cooling as i've heard too many horror stories of leaks killing the PC. Try Quiet PC-Quiet PC Hardware-Quiet PC Components-Quiet PC Zalman Products for quieter fans instead
Just for information rather suggestions upon your beast.
Several of the Power Mac G5 range have liquid cooling, including my Quad-core. It does seem to work well. However, once breached the salvage appears untenable.
Failures are rare but I have a friend with an early G5 which was bought 2nd hand and may have had internal physical damage and has leaked, it will run for a decreasing time before dropping out. Now at 12 minutes.
Quotes for a fix are more than a current 2nd user high spec. unit from a reputable dealer.
So liquid cooling is very useful but sound plumbing is necessary.
Several of the Power Mac G5 range have liquid cooling, including my Quad-core. It does seem to work well. However, once breached the salvage appears untenable.
Failures are rare but I have a friend with an early G5 which was bought 2nd hand and may have had internal physical damage and has leaked, it will run for a decreasing time before dropping out. Now at 12 minutes.
Quotes for a fix are more than a current 2nd user high spec. unit from a reputable dealer.
So liquid cooling is very useful but sound plumbing is necessary.