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Thanks
Thanks a lot TriStrPit, I really appreciate it. Any idea if copa are still hiring low time first office presently?
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Emergency landing.
Hy everybody. I'm about to send all the documents copa ask for to apply for a fo position, but i'm a little afraid. I had an accident last year with a small single engined aircraft, due to fuel leak. It wasn't my fault of course, and managed the situation pretty well and proceeded a sucesfull emergency landing in an open field and nobody had a single scratch (me and 3 paxs).
But I wonder what COPA thinks about incident no matter whose fault it was, since they ask for a non incident/accident declaration from the authorithies. :{ I've heard they already hired fo's with a previous incident/accident like this, but I really aprecciate some tips, sugestions, on how I should proceed with the application. A specific recruiter to get in touch with before apply?, or, is it a problem not to send the accident declaration at the first moment and just bring this stuff in after they ask me? :confused: I'm just afraid to send all the documents and get excluded right away.:( Aprecciate everyone's help, tip, experience, sugestion, etc.. thanks. |
About your incident/situation
My man, to quote Denzel Washington starring as Frank Lucas in American Gangster, "The only way to find out is to find out".
Stop being a pussy and send your stuff! |
brothaa
said it an't soo...
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Copa
One thing that you guys have to keep in mind is that this place is not perfect, build your time and get out.
Be prepared to put up with some stuff that you really should not have to put up with. Lately there is a growing anti foreigner movement taking over Panama. The old Copa dinosaur pilots will discriminate the new guys, the black guys will discriminate the white guys, the white guys the black guys, the Panamanians will discriminate the foreigners,the foreigners the Panamanians, the FA's will be rude and not talk to you sometimes. Security staff at the airport is uneducated, abusive and unhelpful. This is still the 3rd world, with 3rd world education, and a 3rd world mentality and you will feel it and see it once you are here. I mean its a job and we are not here to make friends or whatever, but we do have to sit side by side less than 3 feet apart. I had to fly for the last 2 days with a guy that would not talk to me, would not shake my hand, and the only thing coming out of his mouth was negativity, towards the company, towards foreigners, towards the very people he was carrying. I was afraid to touch anything in the cockpit. Just come, fly as much as you can, suck it up and move on. |
Still Hiring?
Nice to know.
Do yo have any idea if they are still hiring FOs, I have sent my document and finished the online application which i updated today again. But still haven't heard a word, any ideas |
That's really sad factor-x...
I hope you can find a better outfit and leave CM. I have a few friend there and the FOs don't seem to enjoy the ride. The Cpts are just surviving, but not enjoying either. All the best ! |
Nacional
Colisionan dos proyectos para regular a los pilotos extranjeros jueves 2 de abril de 2015 - 12:00 a.m. La diputada Zulay Rodríguez presentó un anteproyecto que regula la contratación de pilotos Copa dijo que ha capacitado y contratado a cientos de pilotos panameños. Archivo | La Estrella de Panamá ARCHIVO | LA ESTRELLA DE PANAMÁ Copa dijo que ha capacitado y contratado a cientos de pilotos panameños. Una contrapropuesta para la contratación de pilotos extranjeros llega a la Asamblea Nacional. Esta plantea la renovación de los contratos vigentes de 3 años, siempre y cuando la aerolínea haya aumentado el porcentaje de personal panameño. La diputada Zulay Rodríguez presentó el pasado lunes 30 de marzo el anteproyecto de ley 207, paralelo al de su colega Jorge Alberto Rosas, que causó controversia al extender de forma indefinida los permisos laborales a los capitanes de avión extranjeros. La nueva propuesta, de 7 artículos, permite a las aerolíneas panameñas contratar pilotos extranjeros; sin embargo, estos no pueden exceder el 15% aplicado al número total de personal técnico contratado. Según el Código de Trabajo, son personal técnico los pilotos, mecánicos y tripulantes de cabina. Otro de los artículos del anteproyecto de Rodríguez propone que el piloto extranjero con licencia autorizada por la Autoridad de Aeronáutica Civil no obvie los trámites legales ante el Servicio Nacional de Migración ni otras entidades. En ese punto, se modifica el artículo 45 de la Ley 21 de enero de 2003, que regula la aviación civil en Panamá. MÁS CAMBIOS Las compañías aéreas tendrían un nuevo requisito para contratar personal extranjero: capacitar, además de los pilotos panameños, a mecánicos y auxiliares de vuelo, sobre todo en aeronaves que requieran contratación de mano de obra foránea. Las aerolíneas deberán publicar las plazas disponibles de trabajo para los panameños, por lo menos, cada tres meses en un diario de circulación nacional. También se establece que el personal técnico especializado retorne a su país una vez capacite al personal panameño. El anteproyecto pide que esa materia sea reglamentada por decreto ejecutivo. Un artículo transitorio plantea cien por ciento de personal panameño, luego de 10 años de entrada en vigencia de la norma. LAS DISCREPANCIAS La compañía panameña, Copa Airlines, dijo a La Estrella de Panamá que siempre ha cumplido con lo exigido en la ley en lo referente a la contratación de pilotos. ‘Dada la importancia de la aviación para el turismo y el desarrollo económico y social de nuestro país, no podemos apoyar una legislación que limite el crecimiento de las empresas aéreas panameñas’, indicó. La aerolínea sostuvo que los pilotos panameños ‘siempre han tenido prioridad ‘ en las contrataciones. ‘Es de esperarse que en un país pequeño, donde la aviación crece a un ritmo rápido, sea necesario contar con pilotos extranjeros experimentados, como complemento al personal nacional’, agregó. Copa Airlines considera como ‘un riesgo muy alto’ tener personal cien por ciento panameño, tal como estipula un artículo transitorio del anteproyecto 207. ‘Aparte de eso, se estarían poniendo limitaciones que no tienen empresas nacionales o extranjeras de otras áreas de la economía’, adujo. PROTECCIÓN AL PANAMEÑO La diputada proponente, Zulay Rodríguez, afirmó que busca proteger al trabajador panameño porque, de no ser así, seguirán con médicos y maestros. ‘Si necesitas extranjeros, traes al personal técnico, capacitas al panameño y regresas a tu país; esa es la idea’, resumió. La Asamblea no ha informado cuál proyecto se discutirá primero, si el de Rodríguez o el de Rosas. ========== PANAMEÑOS ESTUDIANTES El grupo de estudiantes panameños y los que saldrían en 2016 350 estudiantes de aviación civil quedarían por fuera del mercado laboral, según el anteproyecto, al no existir contratación de nacionales. 80 pilotos extranjeros deben salir en 2016, luego de vencidos sus permisos de trabajo de seis años, según el sindicato. Colisionan dos proyectos para regular a los pilotos extranjeros |
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Anyone care to translate that for us non-spanish speaking people?
Cheers! |
Translation
National
Collide two projects to regulate foreign pilots Thursday April 2, 2015 - 12:00 a.m. The deputy Zulay Rodriguez presented a bill that regulates the recruitment of pilots Copa said he has trained and hired hundreds of Panamanian pilots. Archive | La Estrella de Panama FILE | THE STAR OF PANAMA Copa said he has trained and hired hundreds of Panamanian pilots. A counter for hiring foreign pilots reach the National Assembly. This raises the renewal of existing contracts for three years, provided that the airline has increased the percentage of Panamanian personnel. The deputy Zulay Rodriguez presented on Monday March 30 the bill 207, parallel to that of his colleague Jorge Alberto Rosas, who caused controversy by extending indefinitely work permits to foreign aircraft captains. The new proposal of 7 items, allows Panamanian airlines to hire foreign pilots; however, these may not exceed 15% applied to the total number of contracted technical staff. According to the Labour Code are technical personnel pilots, engineers and cabin crew. Another article draft Rodríguez proposes that foreign pilot license authorized by the Civil Aviation Authority does not obviate the legal proceedings before the National Immigration Service or other entities. At that point, Article 45 of Law 21 January 2003, which regulates civil aviation in Panama is modified. MORE CHANGES The airlines have a new requirement to hire foreign workers: training, besides the Panamanian pilots, mechanics and flight attendants, especially in aircraft requiring recruitment of foreign labor. The airlines should publish the work places available for Panamanians, at least every three months in a national newspaper. It also states that specialized technical staff return to their country once the Panamanian train staff. The draft calls for this matter is regulated by executive decree. A transitory article raises hundred percent Panamanian personnel, after 10 years of entry into force of the standard. DISCREPANCIES The Panamanian company, Copa Airlines, told La Estrella de Panama has always complied with the requirements of the law regarding the recruitment of pilots. "It Given the importance of aviation for tourism and economic and social development of our country, we can not support legislation that limits the growth of Panamanian airlines' he said. The airline said the Panamanian pilots 'have always had priority' in hiring. "It is expected that in a small country, where aviation is growing at a rapid pace, is necessary to have experienced foreign pilots, in addition to national staff 'he added. Copa Airlines considers as 'very high risk' have personal hundred percent Panamanian, as stipulated in the draft transitional Article 207. 'Other than that, they are putting limitations that have no domestic or foreign firms from other areas of the economy' he argued. PROTECTION PANAMEÑO The deputy proposer, Zulay Rodríguez said that seeks to protect the Panamanian workers because, otherwise, they will continue to doctors and teachers. 'If you need foreigners, you bring technical staff, capacitas to Panama and return to your country; that's the idea "he summarized. The Assembly has not informed which project will be discussed first, the Rodriguez or Rose. ========== PANAMA STUDENTS The group of Panamanian students and those who would come in 2016 350 civil aviation students would be outside the labor market, according to the draft, the absence of recruitment of nationals. 80 Foreign pilots must leave in 2016, after their work permits expired six years, according to the union. Collide two projects to regulate foreign pilots |
Foreign pilots
It is more than understood that the Pilot's Union and others do not want us expats flying in Copa. People should also know that there is a dispute between the Union and other pilots going . In the end only time and Copa's flight OPS needs will tell what will happen. Sad thing is Copa has good routes, well maintained fleet but low salaries and and a rotten Union that does nothing but play a smoke screen.
My 2 cents My 2 cents. |
If only the asia pacific region started taking lower time expats as FOs. All the west will be screwed! It's coming i think. Its a matter of time before demand surpasses supply in terms of qualified pilots and then companies will be sucked dry from Asia's and the middle east's companies taking in so many pilots.
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Copa Updates
Hello,
I heard of a hiring freeze at Copa...no more FO's this year? |
Copa orders 61 new 737MAX'S (800 & 900)
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Hey guys,
There is just one thing I'd like to say... If you want to work in S.A or where ever there is spanish, you'll need to speak SPANISH! And yes there is a lot of foreigner pilot discrimination, but not just the companies, also the governements are working in that way. See ya |
About english and spanish
Praggn,
I've personally flown with Captains that don't speak anything other than English. There's FO's and CP's from many different countries flying for CM. There is no Spanish requirement, anywhere you fly if you speak English the controller will reply in English... What we do have is a bunch of FO's and CP's with extremely poor English and that will continue to cause problems. |
Praggn,
I'd like to say that you need to speak English, maybe you are a confused soul. Remember few Fligh crew are even never rostered into flight towards the USA for lack of English and this was remarked as well with a negative note from the USA sent to Copa!! So, good job to the Operation! |
About english and spanish
JQKA,
I totally agree and second your statement. |
My fault, didn't get the it that you're talking about COPA and airliners...Also, I was talking in a more general way (living/working in a Latino country)
Is it related to the fact that I'm living in Perú??? For sure you need to speak english, that's a must! But over here they ask you spanish and the ICAO 4 minimum in Español. :ok: |
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