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Old 10th Feb 2011, 08:02
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Once again, generalizations are never good. Not every pilot in Mexico is well connected and because of that the government tailors the law to them. If that were the case their connections could've brought the government into the bankruptcy process to keep Mexicana operating (the pilot union asked for that on numerous occasions, Calderon said the government would not step in).

The law requiring Mexican Citizenship to hold anything higher than a PPL in Mexico stems from the close proximity to the US. In the early days of commercial aviation there was more availability of US pilots to fly the aircraft in the emerging aviation business in Mexico (Charles Lindbergh flew for Mexicana). Mexicana was owned by Americans and the planes were flown by Americans. These laws came as a result of that years later.

Protecting jobs in your country is not a new thing. Some countries have laws others do it in more subtle ways (airline policy, pilot union rules, language requirements, license requirements etc). Airlines like TACA require Central American Citizenship. I understand Brazil has a similar rule to Mexico. Reciprocity would only exist as a result of demand. If tomorrow Mexican airlines have to ground planes due to pilot shortages the law would be changed. The same would happen anywhere else.
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 11:45
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True, and governments are voted in by citizens. Accountability has to start somewhere to bring changes about.
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 13:49
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Just applied for them and not expecting too much honestly. Fresh cpl holder with just 230 hrs tt all current. Any hopes? Are they calling or doing assessments?
Info would be appreciated, regards.
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Old 15th Feb 2011, 03:13
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Interview help, and place to stay?

Hey guys leondelfierro,Yeager08

seems like you guys know some information that I may be looking into, I was ask to come down for the interview been holding off because I need to study and I didn't have the time or money to come down. You guys have any recommandations on place to stay that is not much or and any insight information that may help me out on the interview??
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Old 25th Feb 2011, 16:56
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Lan

Hi , everybody.
I am an ATPL flying as Cap in my country . However the taxes are killing me , I will aply to LAN , A friend tell me to try in Perú.
That s my question : how about salary , roster , cost of living and so on .
¿ could I save some money or not?
Thanks a lot
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Old 26th Feb 2011, 20:55
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Awhile ago the website was showing openings in Peru, for which "ciudano equitoriano" was required (not sure which countries that applies to, Ecuador, Peru and maybe others?) and Argentina, for which an Argentinian passport was required.

I just tried to check current openings but when I click on the "postular" button it sends you back to the sign on screen.

Are they hiring in Chile now? Any shot for a gringo?
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 14:13
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Savings

Thanks OW , I really apreciate your information, actually I am flying regional with the same menu : 12 hs of service, 6 legs in a day and so on , the cities are day to day more unsafe , and barely I take on hand about 48 to 55 K Us dollar and for sure NO SAVINGS , life here ( third world country ) life is everedays more expensive .
I am evaluating Midle East and LPerú .
Best regards , any info is welcome
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 14:17
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Cap J : , the term is : Comunidad Andina , thets include Equator, Bolivia ; Perú , Chile and Spain . However I recomends you ( if speak spanish ) try in Lan Chile , actually hiring. However if you fly CRJ try in PLUNA , Uruguay.
Best regards
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Old 1st Mar 2011, 04:04
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I looked at it again and figured out what I was doing wrong. On the sign in page, rather than clicking "ingresar" you need to click on "ofertas empleo" and it takes you to the page where it shows what jobs are open. It now shows Chile, with "hablar espanol" but no citizenship requirement.
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Old 10th Apr 2011, 09:44
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Comunidad andina

Spain?
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Old 10th Apr 2011, 16:35
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Do you need to convert your license to get their interest?
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 00:51
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Conversión is not a must for LAN Chile, they will take care of that... It s true that it takes awhile for them to answer u, but dont give up, try calling them and you will get there
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 00:56
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pacrion Just applied for them and not expecting too much honestly. Fresh cpl holder with just 230 hrs tt all current. Any hopes? Are they calling or doing assessments?
Info would be appreciated, regards.




Last thing you have to lose is hope. I've met candidates with 250hrs who got called, from México and Puerto Rico... So dont lose that hope..
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Old 19th Apr 2011, 02:38
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Think it thoroughly!!

A few months ago I was invited for an interview that was supposed to be completed in a week or so; instead I was held in Peru for about two months and let me teld you, that wasn't cheap nor easy, yet again they didn't care, apparently that's the way things work over there. I was yet to find out that your flying skills and ratings don't matter much. What really matters is if: "CLAUDIA RODRIGUEZ" from the hiring department, likes you or not, even though she doesn't know anything about flying. So be very very nice to her from they one. Me, a guy from Spain and few other americans just waisted our time and money because at the end of the excruciatingly painful non-technical interview (a CFI job requires more technical knowledge here in the states) were just told: I am sorry but you don't meet the profile of a LAN pilot. Never got a straight response about what that meant. What really surprised me was a night that this girl, an Airbus 319 SIC asked me if I can train her for the NDB approach into Cajamarca (who knows where is located) because she had to fly next day there. Train her in a FS2004. yeap! So this girl is qualified but we are not? the guy from Spain who interview in my group was already a A-320 SIC for a company that went out of business in Spain and wasn't qualified? Don't know what Claudia Rodriguez is really looking for.
Be prepared and good luck.
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Old 19th Apr 2011, 16:09
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>>Conversión is not a must for LAN Chile, they will take care of that... It s true that it takes awhile for them to answer u, but dont give up, try calling them and you will get there<<

Who can I call? I've tried looking for a directory but couldn't find anything. I found Tamara Maldonado's email and sent her my resume; I don't know if that was a faux pas.
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Old 19th Apr 2011, 22:11
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rmimbe,

I think exactly as you do. Even before you can prove in a simulator test that you are able to fly an airplane or not, HR people, who knows nothing about the whereabouts of flying, decide wether or not you are suitable for the job. It seems that answering FAA questions that were never practically used in my airline years, completing stupid phrases or give a meaning to some ink spots is the best way to assess an individual´s ability to fly an airliner.
In my case I got the typical letter: "Usted no ha sido seleccionado". When I asked them why I got no response, of course, as those people are known for not willing to give any explanations, either for cowardice or arrogance. Being treated like shit (being invited for an interview in another country without airline tickets or hotel acommodation, not answering my emails or doing it only after several days trying, and finally being rejected without further explanation) for those unrespectful, careless low level examples of human beings hurt me more than not being hired.
Like you, I still want to know what a LAN pilot´s profile is all about, as I am sure it will give me the meaning of life and/or ensure my immortality.

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Old 20th Apr 2011, 20:06
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mlindb,

Wow, looks like it's more common than I thought

Among all the things that amazed me was the fact that they will call me at 8 or 9pm and schedule me for the next day first time in the morning and every single time; when I was on my way to the appointment I will get a call postponing it for a few hours later or for a different day and/or if they didn't make any changes I will have to wait in the waiting room for a few hours until they come out and get me. So much lack of consideration .
I made it all the way to the full panel interview and still took them a week and a half to tell me that I didn't have the LAN pilot's profile. Nobody thank me for my interest in the company nor anything like.
It did make me change my point of view about how the airline industry treats you in the States. I thought it was bad but NOOO. I came to appreciate what I have here. If you are used to respect and consideration it will be a little shocking.
Pay is good for peruvian standards but that is about it.

For all those interested in a job with LAN, be ready to spend more money and time that you are expecting for your interview. I even had to quit my job but I was lucky I was able to get it back. It's a different culture and a different way of living.

Chears
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Old 20th Apr 2011, 22:24
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Unfortunately you are right, rmimbe, it is a cultural issue. I have been treated exactly the same way in all airlines I applied to in latin america (3), while on the other hand I have worked for three companies in three different continents and never experienced such a contempt for people.
And it is unlikely it will change, as long as pilot´s recruitment is in the hands of HR (recursos inhumanos), people who don´t know or care a thing about all the sacrifices and hassles pilots go through (in most of the cases, at least) in order to get a job in an airline, let alone deciding upon someone´s ability to fly.
But hey, those are the people hired to maximize a company´s profit at the expense of their employees, aren´t they? I guess it is like asking Pinochet to be tolerant.
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Old 22nd Apr 2011, 15:45
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Guys, no offence, but maybe in Latin America we just prefer to employ latin americans.
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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 04:00
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Well, I am not sure that is the case, since I am a latin american, and so were many of the guys that were treated the same way as I was.
Anyway, rayuae, I think that was a pitiful comment, since so many latin americans are working abroad nowadays.
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