Gringos wanting to fly in our airlines haha
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Belliot,
Really, So I just happen to have a friend get hired in January at AE, which is one I mentioned and you are telling me I didnt do my research? As matter of fact, some of my good friends that happen to be gringos have gotten hired to fly CRJs with around 250 hours, don't think it only happens in latin america.
Glueball, you hit it right on the spot, there are beautifull women down south.
So most of the above say Im on a racist rant... take it how you like it. If I am not mistaken who are the ones that generalize and call non english speaking people "wetbacks, beaners, spics, etc"
Gringo is not even an insult and does not suggest anything like wetback , beaner , etc... I challenge anyone to tell me where the word gringo comes from, cause I know where the saying comes.
Anyways the point is there ARE jobs out there, do your research, I know it might be flying something you dont like, so what, at least you have openings. There is flight instructing as well, so what, a downgrade from flying heavy metal? It is still a job.
There are several countries that have shut the doors to fellow colleagues in the past, then reasonable it is for having reciprocity. If someone wants to jumpseat on X airline, then their airline should allow jumpseat from X airline as well.
And for the european who was quoted saying they are the best in whatever they do , good for you , if that floats your boat , great. In no wawy am I saying Latin americans we are superior to someone else at whatever, skin color and language doesnt mean anything
when it comes to flying.
Really, So I just happen to have a friend get hired in January at AE, which is one I mentioned and you are telling me I didnt do my research? As matter of fact, some of my good friends that happen to be gringos have gotten hired to fly CRJs with around 250 hours, don't think it only happens in latin america.
Glueball, you hit it right on the spot, there are beautifull women down south.
So most of the above say Im on a racist rant... take it how you like it. If I am not mistaken who are the ones that generalize and call non english speaking people "wetbacks, beaners, spics, etc"
Gringo is not even an insult and does not suggest anything like wetback , beaner , etc... I challenge anyone to tell me where the word gringo comes from, cause I know where the saying comes.
Anyways the point is there ARE jobs out there, do your research, I know it might be flying something you dont like, so what, at least you have openings. There is flight instructing as well, so what, a downgrade from flying heavy metal? It is still a job.
There are several countries that have shut the doors to fellow colleagues in the past, then reasonable it is for having reciprocity. If someone wants to jumpseat on X airline, then their airline should allow jumpseat from X airline as well.
And for the european who was quoted saying they are the best in whatever they do , good for you , if that floats your boat , great. In no wawy am I saying Latin americans we are superior to someone else at whatever, skin color and language doesnt mean anything
when it comes to flying.
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Gringo is a racist term, everybody can look that up on wikipedia. Pretty much any generalizing slang tends to be derogatory (look that up too).
... And while you are at it...
Look up "fluid time" and "rigid time", see which describes yourself.
Finally, thanks for the great advise on jobsearch, I wish I had 33 years of experience when I was 23...
I am done... This was my "reciprocity" for you my racist colleague
... And while you are at it...
Look up "fluid time" and "rigid time", see which describes yourself.
Finally, thanks for the great advise on jobsearch, I wish I had 33 years of experience when I was 23...
I am done... This was my "reciprocity" for you my racist colleague
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just like Forrest Gump says, "beaner is as beaner does" if you want to act like the type of person representing your ethnicity by saying things out of total ignorance, then you are worthy of name.
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Ummmm.... 7000+ pilots on the street and less than 500 pilots hired in the last 6 months by Colgan/AE... you do the math.
and in reference to your rebuttal of the 250 hr pilot.... I never said they didn't get hired I said they should not have been.... if you want to debate me over this drivel (especially when you aren't really reading what I am typing or having real facts in hand) I recommend taking it to PM's.
Gringo may not be a racial slur but it is insulting... just because one person utilizes these terms to bolster their pathetic vocabulary does not make it right or pardonable.
and in reference to your rebuttal of the 250 hr pilot.... I never said they didn't get hired I said they should not have been.... if you want to debate me over this drivel (especially when you aren't really reading what I am typing or having real facts in hand) I recommend taking it to PM's.
Gringo may not be a racial slur but it is insulting... just because one person utilizes these terms to bolster their pathetic vocabulary does not make it right or pardonable.
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Gasguzzlerlatino , if you ever hope to be a real professional aviator , you must lose the attitude. Your know-it-all , racist , egotistic , and poor human skills will find you a smoking hole in the ground someday.
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Itīs always up to the company to decide who they hire..... However, the unions can have a word as well, as long as the pilots stick together. I enjoy working for a Euro company with more than 30 nationalities. Latin fuelguz, calm down and see the world as it is. Try to get some experience in life and on the airplane...
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He has a point just doesnt have a clue how to express it. Aviation should be handled ina diplomatic way. For example, Mexico, Brazil,Ecuador by law only allow thier own born citizens to fly. In that case Mexicans,Brazilians or Ecuadorians should not be allowed to fly in the States(if they have green cards) unless there own country change there policy. Or for what it worth any other country until they open up their own countrys to expats.
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Your rants are somewhat immature, if I may state the obvious. Are you sure you've reached the ATPL level yet? I'm not sure you have.
Since you've indicated an interest in aviation, how about this. There is a pilot shortage gaining momentum worldwide. That would include Latin America. You have indicated that you are Latin American so there's no need to inform you on the impact that shortage will have at carriers like COPA. Since English is the international language of aviation you can do what you like with Espanol. Si? But in the final analysis, COPA wishes to serve nations beyond its' own borders, which includes a rather sizeable English speaking nation to the north. You're painting yourself into a bit of a corner my friend. I encourage you to open your eyes, your mind and your options. I'm sure you are capable of something with a lot more intellectual and professional content in your rants than you've delivered.
Aviation has gone global while you were asleep at the switch, which is another reason emerging nations and markets like Panama could use the expat help and there are expats who are willing to live and work in a third world country like Panama (not my definition but the United Nations definition of third world) and make it a win-win for applicant and COPA.
I feel your pain amigo. Panamanian flying jobs for Panamanians. When Panama runs out of 'acceptable' candidates, what then? Force them to hire candidates they may not wish to hire? Like English impaired, low time CPLs?
Good solution. Not one iota of common sense. But a solution.
A country like America will not experience the kinds of pilot shortages other nations will, so to look for options like working in the U.S. as an expat, just isn't going to happen. There will be however, many other countries (like Panama) that will rely heavily on expat pilots as a solution. That's not news but that too is a reality.
Maybe you'd care to help find the solution or better yet, an answer? So far, you're just spewing charlie romeo alpha papa.
Willie
Your rants are somewhat immature, if I may state the obvious. Are you sure you've reached the ATPL level yet? I'm not sure you have.
Since you've indicated an interest in aviation, how about this. There is a pilot shortage gaining momentum worldwide. That would include Latin America. You have indicated that you are Latin American so there's no need to inform you on the impact that shortage will have at carriers like COPA. Since English is the international language of aviation you can do what you like with Espanol. Si? But in the final analysis, COPA wishes to serve nations beyond its' own borders, which includes a rather sizeable English speaking nation to the north. You're painting yourself into a bit of a corner my friend. I encourage you to open your eyes, your mind and your options. I'm sure you are capable of something with a lot more intellectual and professional content in your rants than you've delivered.
Aviation has gone global while you were asleep at the switch, which is another reason emerging nations and markets like Panama could use the expat help and there are expats who are willing to live and work in a third world country like Panama (not my definition but the United Nations definition of third world) and make it a win-win for applicant and COPA.
I feel your pain amigo. Panamanian flying jobs for Panamanians. When Panama runs out of 'acceptable' candidates, what then? Force them to hire candidates they may not wish to hire? Like English impaired, low time CPLs?
Good solution. Not one iota of common sense. But a solution.
A country like America will not experience the kinds of pilot shortages other nations will, so to look for options like working in the U.S. as an expat, just isn't going to happen. There will be however, many other countries (like Panama) that will rely heavily on expat pilots as a solution. That's not news but that too is a reality.
Maybe you'd care to help find the solution or better yet, an answer? So far, you're just spewing charlie romeo alpha papa.
Willie
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remember this "The Mountains the Storms and the Oceans don't know your name they know no-ones' name: not me, not you, no one"
Y no te insulto,...soy Latino tambien
remember this "The Mountains the Storms and the Oceans don't know your name they know no-ones' name: not me, not you, no one"
Y no te insulto,...soy Latino tambien
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Cry babies
This is not intended at all Latinos. I have flown with quite a few Latinos who are great guys. Most of you are are one sided and sick in the cabeza by not wanting to let gringos fly in your country. When times are not good in the south you have no problem coming north illegally and reaping the bennefits of the welfare system up north or working here if you can find a job. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. So if you do not like it then the north should not let you work here and should deport all your realatives here legal or illegal.
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That is very racist and in poor form.. but since we're here.. The reason "white" pilots were getting hired in the south was simply because they were qualified aviators when none were available in those countries at the time.. It had nothing to do with skin color... The wages being paid by Copa and the likes are dirt slave wages though.. so you can have your jobs in Panama.. Your women will still prefer us though 
I find that latin men from struggling economies are so egocentric, that it gets in the way of good cockpit CRM. Your racist post and rants are exactly what I'd expect from someone who has no self confidence and an over compensating ego. Usually means you have no skills my friend..
I find that latin men from struggling economies are so egocentric, that it gets in the way of good cockpit CRM. Your racist post and rants are exactly what I'd expect from someone who has no self confidence and an over compensating ego. Usually means you have no skills my friend..
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I dont get it, here in Latinamerica we must be among the worst paid pilots anyway (at least P2F not common here!), so even there is an interest for forweigners to join, they will leave asap again. It seems to me the problem is something the companies should consider, it want affect you as a local to get the job once you are qualified.
Racism is a bad approach anyway, disagree? maybe you should do only local flights instead
Racism is a bad approach anyway, disagree? maybe you should do only local flights instead
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My understanding was that most of Copa's pilots are Latin American and Spanish. How many "non-iberoamericanos" are there in Copa?
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Jobs for the locals I say it should be. Sure, when there aren't any more local people to fill the positions, then look elsewhere. But a country should be looking after it's own people first and not allowing foreign labour in unless they cannot get locals who are suitable for the position.
Having said that, if a country allows companies to employ foreigners ahead of their own people when there are locals available and qualified for the job, then don't blame the people that take the jobs. Blame the company for hiring them and the government for allowing the companies to hire them.
Having said that, if a country allows companies to employ foreigners ahead of their own people when there are locals available and qualified for the job, then don't blame the people that take the jobs. Blame the company for hiring them and the government for allowing the companies to hire them.
Tenga cuidado de lo que quiere.
Aviation is global, here in the Middle East we have pilots from every single Latin American Country, from Mexico all the way to Argentina. Should they be excluded because other nationals are not allowed to fly in most Latin American countries?
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Oh my...to the OP...are you panamanian? Yo tambien...
If we go down to the "jobs for nationals only" then me, and all our colleages in the Middle East and all over the world should lose theirs too? And go back to Panama to get slave wages with the one and only "proper" airline, because, you know, it's OUR national airline and all that?
Come on.
Think of the other side of the coin: Some of us left Panama as well, and to some people, we are taking their jobs as well. But the main reason why we got the jobs in the first place is because at the moment of hiring, we were the most capable. Nationality had nothing to do there, and I find anybody who implies that aviation jobs are given only because of that, very insulting, for me and for them.
Now, I sense a lot of frustration as well because the "arrogance" of the expats. Newsflash: It's the same EVERYWHERE. You are going to find nasty people from all nationalities and amazing, nice people from all nationalites too. People who will blend with the nationals, and people who would rather stay as they are. So what? As long as they behave in a professional manner and do their jobs as they should, I can't care less about their "arrogance". I have my friends, I don't need their friendship too.
And, remember, at the end of the day, the one who decided to pick them up over nationals was COPA. They just went for the job and got it. Why getting angry and annoyed at them?
If we go down to the "jobs for nationals only" then me, and all our colleages in the Middle East and all over the world should lose theirs too? And go back to Panama to get slave wages with the one and only "proper" airline, because, you know, it's OUR national airline and all that?
Come on.
Think of the other side of the coin: Some of us left Panama as well, and to some people, we are taking their jobs as well. But the main reason why we got the jobs in the first place is because at the moment of hiring, we were the most capable. Nationality had nothing to do there, and I find anybody who implies that aviation jobs are given only because of that, very insulting, for me and for them.
Now, I sense a lot of frustration as well because the "arrogance" of the expats. Newsflash: It's the same EVERYWHERE. You are going to find nasty people from all nationalities and amazing, nice people from all nationalites too. People who will blend with the nationals, and people who would rather stay as they are. So what? As long as they behave in a professional manner and do their jobs as they should, I can't care less about their "arrogance". I have my friends, I don't need their friendship too.
And, remember, at the end of the day, the one who decided to pick them up over nationals was COPA. They just went for the job and got it. Why getting angry and annoyed at them?