MigratoryBird

I propose a Salomonic decision... What about creating a Latin American forum in spanish and one Caribbean and Latin American in English? Call them Caribbean and Latin American (English Only) and other called Latin American (Spanish Only)?

Like this, everyone will be happy to write in his/her mother tonge, without feeling frustrated for not understanding the posts language... It is only fair that, being spanish the most widespread language in the region, people have the right to post in that language.

Aparently the spanish forum generally deals with Spain's matters.

Spanish Translation:

Propongo una decisión Salomónica... Que tal si creamos dos foros diferentes: un foro llamado Caribbean and Latin American (English Only) y otro llamado Latin American (Spanish Only)?

De esta manera, todo el mundo estará contento escribiendo en su lengua materna, sin sentirse frustrado por no entender el idioma de los "posts"... Me parece justo que, siendo el español el idioma más hablado en la region, la gente tenga derecho de expresarse libremente en el.

Aparentemente, el foro español trata generalmente de asuntos referidos a España.

Captain Stable

MB, we are actually trying to reduce the number of forums on PPRuNe.

I don't think it would help matters to split Latin American issues across two forums with the duplication involved...

I know the present situation is not ideal, and it may be helped shortly by having a Spanish-speaking moderator if someone suitable can be persuaded, but that would not solve the problem of not everyone being able to understand all posts.

Discussions continue - watch this space!

EL CAPITAN

I propose Panama Jack and or Luis 8cd..........

jet4hire

Capt. Stable chill-out ! I don't pay for this forum but I have the right to express too!

I also speak french, Italian and spanish as well as the english language!

Guys! saludos por su cooperacion

perceval

I tend to agree , that given the number of languages actually being used in the area (english , spanish , portuguese , french , dutch , creole ...) ... to simplify , and given the fact that the aviation language is Good ol'brittongue (much to my chagrine) we should stick with it .
bye,buenas tardes , au revoir ....and kwaheri .

JJflyer

Yip... gone through this on the Nordic Forum...

However I understood that Spanish Forum is not a forum just for Spain but rather a forum for Spanish speakers like Nordic forum that accomodates people speaking Nordic languages

JJ

Panama Jack

While in theory, JJflyer, you may be right, in practice the Spanish Forum tends to be a discussion area on aviation affairs on the Iberian Peninsula.

morsa704

I agree with panama, I still think that we should change this to spanish, it's a matter of quantity, not only that english is the aviation language, or what do you speak in the cockpits, apart from the check lists?, in everydays life, in latin american airlines?.

Coincido con panamá, creo que deber'a cambiarse a espaÑol, , tiene que ver con la cantidad de gente, noúnicamente con que el inglés es el idioma de la aviación, ¿o qué hablamos en las cabinas, aparte de las listas? en el trabajo diario, en las l'neas latinoamericanas?.

Cheers

Pinga

Just my Peso's worth; You guys are pretty lucky, I've been banned for much lesser sin than hassling a moderator. Danny Fyne has far less patience than Captain Stable!

Saludos amigos

B Sousa

Jet4hire writes:"diversity makes the difference! or learn the language! "

Certainly wish you would pass that on to all those illegals in the states who we have to print stuff in two languages for,so that they are not offended....
In Estados Unidos ( United States) the language is English.

I see all the Big Guns are watching this one, so I will be good.......

atcea.com

This forum is "Caribbean and Latin America". Languages in the region include Spanish, French, Dutch, Portuguese, Papiamento, a smattering of others and, oh yes, English.

Aviation and ATC by custom and ICAO regulation use English as the primary language.

Now, since all aviators know at least a bit of English, and everyone in this forum is involved in aviation, which language would work best?

I don't care about the rest of you, I'm voting for Papiamento.

C4

Want a laugh... Just look at Jet4Hire's profile.
What a donkey !!

B Sousa

Better yet, why not get yourself a Latin American Website and then you can speak all the hispaneese that you want........No interference from English speakers.... What a deal.

Krueger

A word for the Mods. If you're trying to reduce the number of foruns in this website, why not shutting this Latin America and Caribean down. Why? Just take a look at the inputs and take your conclusions. Nothing about aviation, only a sterile discussion about which languages we should use. This place is looking like the UN


Not really a good excuse to have a Nordic forum with languages other than english and this one only in english... But , then again, I'm talking again about which language we should use.

And , by the way, Panama Jack, the Spanish Forum is for stuff in Spain , not in the Iberian Peninsula, otherwise it would be the Iberian Forum.

But, there are plenty of native speaking foruns to visit, so there's no need to be crying for this one.

Check Six Krueger...

Panama Jack

Obviously, one less person impressed with my feeble attempt to sound poetic, worldly, intellectual (all of course to try to impress the ladies).

Mundo Cruel!

Mr Wonka

When will there be a russian forum then ? Thats what I want to know

freightdog

I haven't read all the replies to this thread, but I get the drift. I can't think of any reason why all forums shouldn't be in english - that's the common language for professional pilots!

It makes me sick to fly in countries where communication between pilots and ATC (except maybe GA) are in local tounge. I have told my IFALPA rep to address this at their posh conventions, instead of all the political BS that goes on just to please everyone. It IS A SERIOUS threat to safety!

Places like e.g. Spain, France,Greece and most of Latin America are perfect examples of countries showing a total disrespect for aviation safety - their ATC and most of their local pilots are unprofessional (more consumed with the status of their jobs than anything else)! To all of you that understand what I'm writing and feel irritated by my post - know that I am fluent in French and Spanish + a few more languages. I am pleased if I manage to offend anyone.

I have covered most of the world as a pilot, and I must give credit to ATC and pilots in the Middle East, Africa and Asia. Sometimes it is the countries with the least resources where you'll find the most proffesional team players in our profession.

I gather most readers will agree with me. To those of you not - don't reply, instead put your effort into a Berlitz course or other language training. Have a nice day!

richiya

If you have a look at the Spain forum, at least 25% of the posts are done in English and no spanish translation is included, we don´t ignore them and the mod doesn´t rub them out, we answer back in English....

longago9

How come Italian posts are permited? I don't understand them, and Italian is not the international aviation language! They are not in English! How about nordic ones?

[email protected]

Come on guys, what's so hard about trying to cooperate? English is good. Spanish is good too. The simple fact is that the moderator MUST be able to understand what is put on this or any website for both legal and security reasons. It is very reasonable to require translations for all Spanish posts even though English is a second language for most Latin Americans. All of the Spanish speaking pilots I have worked with are most happy to insure that I understand what they are telling me as they know my limited grasp of their language can cause misunderstandings. After all, understanding is the goal of all communication. It would be great if one of the bi-lingual (English and Spanish) speaking readers volunteer as a moderator, but even then, it would still be best to have the translation as many of the readers still would not know what was being said.