Well...it's not that you're posting in a vacuum. It's just that some of the stuff you post is a little...odd, I guess?

That is the beauty of an aviation forum flyboyike, what may be odd to you is quite logical to someone else.

I take it you do not agree with a pilot striving for higher skills?

I don't agree with making blind landings without proper equipment and certification, no.

O.K. I'll accept your opinion, but in return can you tell me what danger you see in what I described? What I described was not making a blind landing.

Remember I was being very careful to explain the practice was on a final landing during re-current training.....with two qualified pilots in VFR conditions.

The danger is that it teaches skills that ought not be practiced, as was explained to you by others.

Hey, if you think it's such a great idea, feel free to go out there and do it to your heart's content, nobody stopping you any more than anyone is stopping you from poking your own eye with a sharp stick.

If I did that I would be breaking the law, I do not have a valid pilot license anymore.

Therefore one must not teach recovery from unusual attitudes because someone might go out and deliberately roll inverted on final approach to a landing just to make sure they are able to recover?

During my commercial training my instructor had me do a zero/zero landing. Just as Chuck described, he covered the windshield with a map, told me to hold the speed at 65 knots and to descend initially at 400 fpm. He initiated this on a mid-downwind. He gave me all the heading changes, speed changes and descent changes. He told me when to bring the power off and when to flare. He took control on the roll out while I removed the map. We had touched down right on the numbers and on centre-line. At the time I thought he was crazy, but I had enough trust that I did it anyways. We did it again during my instrument training during an ILS into Auckland.

I've been thinking about this a little bit today. This lesson may be one of the reasons I'm so particular about aircraft control and precision flying. Granted, professionalism is a big part of it, but I wonder if this put me on the path to professionalism earlier in my career than it would otherwise have happened.

Now, the instructor was ex-Air Force (NZ) and had more than 4,000 hours instructing - so he knew exactly what he was doing. I later found this was a common practice amongst older instructors, especially ex-Air Force types.

Thank you +TSRA you have validated my reason for posting about these training exercises......

Beyond any doubt it had something to do with how you think about flying.

Beyond any doubt it did.

Professionalism comes from the learning process and the ability to separate B.S. from fact.The training industry needs more of these instructors.

To get the true zero / zero landing experience when training the map in the windshield method pales in comparison to using two stage amber and leaving the glasses on to the touch down......with a check pilot of course. :ok:

Dear Chuck,
While I appreciate your repeating your theory to me slowly so that my aging brain is able to comprehend your way of thinking, I certainly do not appreciate being spoken down to. Why is it, that as soon as someone has a different opinion than yours you bring on the derision? You do it here and on a Canadian site that you sometimes post on. (We all know how much you love that site!) So…I say tomato and you say toMAHto and that will be all I have to say. You are welcome to your opinion and so am I. Enjoy your motorhome and please drive safely…make sure you pull over to let the summer idiots pass…would hate to see you cause an accident.