That fortress mentality permeates ACPA (and our pilot group) so completely they think they are the dog and the rest of the world is the tail. But every now and again an issue like this comes along that clearly demonstrates the reverse and we just cannot accept it.

ACPA loses most fights it engages in, and it engages in a lot of them. They lose because years ago they cut themselves off from the rest of the world in the belief they can do better going it alone. History proves them wrong because while we sit in smug satisfaction at how good we are the world keeps on going without us. We are the mennonite colony that can't understand why everybody else isn't driving horse drawn buggies.

31st Mar 2011, 02:48

Oldaircrew

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Hong Kong
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The seniority system is the worst system devised by the wit of man; except for all the others(with apologies to Winston Churchill)

Publius, well said, in fact bloody perfect!

It is very amusing to listen to the FP60 cabal rant about how ACPA is getting hammered every time it turns around...

It is amusing to read the revisionist history by a few that claim this all would have be averted had the retirement age been raised to 65 when a few demanded this.... right, and then some poor, recently turned 66 pilot would have wandered to the CHRT and claim that his "rights" have been infringed...

PS... As far as I can tell, the FP60 cabal have only won the reinstatement of 2 pilots on a non-precedent basis, failed to get a cease and desist order, lost a Judicial Review of CHRT ruling for VK, and now we await a second review of the VK with respect of the BFOR....and a Federal Court of Appeal hearing....and a parliamentary loss of the legislation....

While you guys wait for the next couple of years, enjoy your retirement....

Good Morning All:

Does anyone know if Mr Ennis did go to THY after all?

Some one in Winterpeg must know, they cant all be out at the dikes and pumps!

According to the article on page 1, he only retires at the end of April.

Clunkdriver, What has Winterpeg got to do with Ennis? He has been based in YYZ for 25 years and lives in Oakville?

In that case then someone in Toronto should know, however the Fly Past 60 group would seem to have their legal rep in Winterpeg, thus the question, OK?

Micheal Ennis' application rejected by THY
 

According to an article published today in the foremost online aviation news portal Airporthaber.com (translates to airportnews), Capt. Ennis was not accepted to fly with Turkish Airlines. The article states that the ordeal was discussed extensively in international aviation forums (I wonder where... :}) and some users stated that he had already started flying Boeing 777's for Turkish. However, according to the article, based on Turkish Airlines sources the Canadian pilot was not able to pass the recruitment phases necessary for employment and the application was rejected.

source (in Turkish)

This article is from...Airline Biz Blog | dallasnews.com



American Airlines has nearly seven pilots over 60 for every one pilot under 40.

That's a little factoid included in the Allied Pilot Association's weekly News Digest that it sent to its members this week.

When I began covering American in 1990, it wasn't uncommon for a pilot in his or her early 30s to make captain with only five or six years of seniority.

That's certainly not the case now.

Here are the stats from the union:

• 94% of AA pilots are at 12th year of pay longevity. That's the top of the pay scale, meaning that they aren't getting pay raises unless they move to a bigger airplane or move from first officer to captain.
• Average age of AA pilots: 51.6 years

• Average age AA Captains: 54.4 years

• Average age AA First Officers: 49.3 years

• AA pilots under 40 years old: 83

• AA pilots over 60 years old: 560

• Years of service of most junior AA Captain: 18.8 years (date of hire: August 1992)


The mandatory retirement age for commercial pilots in the United States is 65. Until Dec. 13, 2007, it was set at age 60.

The younger pilots at American and other airlines that haven't been growing weren't happy about the extension of the retirement age since it delayed by five years their move to better-paying airplanes or to the captain's seat.

On the other hand, cutbacks in pay and years on furlough have prompted many older pilots to stick

This is probably not true ..... It's obvious that the Turks realize that in a short time he will be back with AC and so they will not get a return on their investment. Also with all the unrest in the region, travel is down. Given the Globe and Mail article, his acceptance by Turkish was doomed.

you just don't want to believe it's true. Believe it buddy. 2 AC guys failed the sim here in the ME a few years ago. I witnessed a close to retirement AC fellow totally botch a raw data approach in the 330 sim for an Indian company, only to be followed by a myriad of excuses why. The fact is your boy failed the interview at THY:sad:

Did he get as far as the interview? After his rather derogatory remarks about THY in the media I doubt that he got that far, if he did he certainly pissed in the pickles after the interview, not a career extending move for sure!

Time to lay off the Melatonin, Vic, it is giving you Vivid Dreams. Nobody is coming - back - to A/C.

Two guys got back and one guy pooched the course.

The age will change, but nobody else is coming back. The Airline would be brought to its knees if the door was opened to any retired Pilot that wanted back.

Ennis is an embarrasment to the profession. Take your "golden" career and scram - like all those honorable Pilots before you.

It made my day that Turkish told him to hit the road.

How would the pension rules be affected?
 

If a pilot does return after age 60, does he continue to collect his pension?

If not, does he continue to contribute?

Does he revert back to pre age 60 medical and dental benefits? IE he stops paying for his post retirement health and dental insurance and goes back to the company paid benefit.

Good Evening Flatface:

To the best of my knowledge no, once back pension stops and he/she is back on the pay roll.

Your second question I would believe if he/she has not attained the 35 years they would have to keep contributing until 35 years of service is attained.

As far as benefits are concerned would someone more knowledgeable comment on this please?

With reference to the first two answers would someone confirm that as I have no information to back this up?

https://secure.globeadvisor.com/serv...CKERA0507ATL_1

Saturday, May 7, 2011
Brent Jang
Captain Michael Ennis has retired as the No. 1 pilot on Air Canada's seniority list. Mr. Ennis turned 60 last month, and under the labour pact between the airline and the Air Canada Pilots Association, he was forced into mandatory retirement last Sunday. He said in an interview that he originally planned to start flying for Istanbul-based Turkish Airlines this week, but has changed his plans. Mr. Ennis said that after discussing his career with his wife and their two grown children, he decided to stay in Canada for personal reasons. "Family considerations prevent me from accepting a job offer at a foreign airline at this time," he said Friday, adding that he is now "looking for a flying position" in the Toronto region. Mr. Ennis rose to the top of the seniority list in February, 2010.

Good Evening cykzstudent:

Thanks for the link like a lot of people I was curious on this whole affair ended for Mr Ennis.

Did he end up at Porter or what ever the new outfit that is also flying out of the island?

Michael is a decent guy and loved his job. But his sense of entitlement got to the point where it certainly started to get on my nerves...but at the grand old age of 39 and an FO on the same fleet Michael was on - with 21 years to run in the current regime, I wonder when I am 59.5, if I'll be the same pain-in-the-butt Michael and his FP60 cronies are today?