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JBI 3rd Feb 2017 17:15

Truthfully I can't remember the specifics as it's been a number of years now since I dealt with the matter. Usually there are agreements between jurisdictions so people don't fall through the cracks. Although more common in aviation, this matter comes up quite a bit in other industries such as construction as well.

Usually, yes, the initial claim should be to the province where the person works. Sometimes though, the two provincial boards don't communicate too well.

Again, I haven't read the whole decision, but it doesn't seem the validity of this FAs claims are really in question, more just a jurisdictional issue.

albatross 3rd Feb 2017 21:09

Just a comment...I am not an airline Capt.
If there was even a chance of an escort of CF-18s showing up I would certainly advise the cabin crew of the possibility and if an escort was actualy going to formate make a cabin announcement, using my best "This is your Capt. and the everything is under control" voice in order that folks would know what to expect and not panic if they ever stopped filming with their iphones long enough to look out a window. I would use the term "escort" instead of "Intercept".

BluSdUp 5th Feb 2017 22:55

Hogwash
 
There is no such thing as an escort of an airliner in an emergency.
There still is the odd wakeup call after Prolonged Loss Of Contact.Populare just after 9\11 .
Now , not so much.

The lady is unfit to fly and needs help. F18 to shoot her down, wow.!!

Wonder what the accident report says, IFE, Galley Pwr :off. should stop any system related fire.
Cpt B

albatross 6th Feb 2017 15:09

I was using the term "escort" instead of "interception" as being less frightening to pax.
Excuse me for being unclear.

BluSdUp 6th Feb 2017 16:19

Escort vs Intercept
 
Albatros

No , You were quite clear.
Last time anyone escorted someone in Europe is some years ago when ,JR an F16
pilot boiled up the grand idea to fly wingman with his dad, Cpt 747.
SR was on his last leg inbound Amsterdam before retirement, nice gesture!

Close formation until T/D for SR, JR break of on full burner.!!
Pax and Tower mighty impressed.

KLM and Squadron Commander , not so much.
Forgot to ask them.
JR got fired and SR lost pension.
Sad.

Anyway, can anyone link the accident report.
Need to run ,my escort just arrived ,
Cpt B

Piltdown Man 7th Feb 2017 07:35

This is a pathetic case. It appears she has wound herself up on false information. Worse, a lawyer also believes this rubbish and has bought the effect this has had on their client. An appropriate response would have been to have referred her to medical professionals to deal with her anxiety/panic/irrational behaviour. I hope she loses.

PM

sleeper 7th Feb 2017 08:30


Originally Posted by BluSdUp (Post 9666918)
Albatros

No , You were quite clear.
Last time anyone escorted someone in Europe is some years ago when ,JR an F16
pilot boiled up the grand idea to fly wingman with his dad, Cpt 747.
SR was on his last leg inbound Amsterdam before retirement, nice gesture!

Close formation until T/D for SR, JR break of on full burner.!!
Pax and Tower mighty impressed.

KLM and Squadron Commander , not so much.
Forgot to ask them.
JR got fired and SR lost pension.
Sad.

Anyway, can anyone link the accident report.
Need to run ,my escort just arrived ,
Cpt B

Uhm, not exactly.

The mentioned F16 pilot aranged everything officialy with his commanders and was approved up to base level. The flight was thus tasked as such. ATC arranged the join up. His dad informed the passengers. The only negative side was that KLM was not informed or asked for approval. The media's reaction was positive.
Jr did not get fired!
Sr did not loose his pension.

I was his squadron mate and present at the time.

BluSdUp 7th Feb 2017 14:50

Sleeper
 
Good to hear, as it was a great gesture and how it should be.
Correct me , but KLM did make a big stink about it , did they not?
For my own record, when was this?

Did You go civilian later , and did you by any chance visit Hoofdorp for MCC?

sleeper 7th Feb 2017 15:57

Klm was furious, but as it was the dear captains last landing before retirement and the pensionfund is completely seperate from the company, they couldn't really do anything to sanction him.

As for junior. A former squadroncommander of us, then in a general staff job in The Hague, read about it in the morning paper while on the commute. The vindictive person he was (and not well liked by us sq pilots to put it mildly) he did not check, but immediately phoned the base commander to get juniors head on a platter. As it was none of his business and truly authorized he was blown off.

We both went civilian as most fellow sq members. And both in seniors company, so no harm done.
Mcc was done in house.

This all happened in mid 80ts.

albatross 7th Feb 2017 17:16

RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane to Stansted - BBC News
Today on Rumours and News. They call it an ESCORT. LOL
Cheers
Albatross

PS thanks for the update on the KLM story Sleeper

BluSdUp 7th Feb 2017 21:59

Albatross
 
Now , that was an intercept, due safety or whatever. Clear procedure and protocol .
An " escort" due to any tech. emergency as our friend the CA was going to court about ,does NOT happen.

Unless You are on your last leg in KLM inbound AMS.


Anyone, please keep us updated on the court case.

Regards Cpt B


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