CLUNK
 

Gee, 8 turbines on your ATPL and the top 4%!!! What a pompous ass you are .

Yobo, read the post, just a simple rebutal of Sec3s statements re my and one other posters financial worth and "those who fly real airplanes", nothing more, nothing less , Regards, Clunck.

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Breguet: "When the 4 of them walked in they all had a long face, not reflecting a job well done."

I am not a trainned psychologist but traumatic experience like this leave sequel (lack of sleep ect.). The what if...question is always present.

As for not ditching (Air Transat) the were lucky as the nat track they got was a lot closer than the one the file for so Lady Luck did not abandon them completely.

But i have to give credit to Air Transat in their ability to spin control the info/news.

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Long faces, after going through what they had just been through and then moved from Country to country to avoid the press for 5 days would make anyone look tired and drawn.
My wife was on that flight and i can assure you she wasn't laughing and smiling for sometime!

Lady luck was on there side that night, there flight path was changed several times and the last change had them closer to the Azore's and yes, the FO played a major part in getting the aircraft there. From what i have been told there was no discussion once it was suggested.
As for a ditching, all the crew were told to prepare for the ditiching, no one knew for sure if they would make it.
So Dungdriver back off! he might be the scum in your eyes, but he's a hero in mine and of those in the US where he and the FO were honoured!

So Man2YKF, if Piche is a hero for scewing up the crossfeed and dumping the fuel into the Oggin, what does that make the AC crew who did the correct QRH checklist after working out the problem ?{remember, this took place BEFORE Mr Piches incident} in fact the AD on the fuel feed pipe was as a result of this problem with the AC aircraft, again Im amazed that those who do it right dont seem to get the praise that those who scew it up seem to get, must be the "media" age we live in .

CLUNK
 

Even though the AIR CANADA crew followed your company "SOP " they managed to screw up the calculations and ran out of fuel. Yes they did a good job and managed to salvage the situation, and so did Piche . Your rants on this thread and other threads leads me to believe you are anti French Canadian. I still maintain you are a pompous ass

My sentiments exactly Yob. Great post as always Willie:ok: I must admit clunk, my opinion is a bit biased because I know Capt Piche, but there's no need to trash him like you did. Every pilot makes mistakes at one time or another, but you have to admit he did a pretty good job in the end. If you can't admit that, then there's no hope for you.

What he did to get the aircraft on the ground was truely amazing.

Now! I flown with him many times as "HIS" fo. He is not so keen on CRM. Taking advice, He doesn't!

Why did so many fo call in sick when they had to fly with him. It was great for me though being in Toronto...$$$$

SEC...you're a safe pilot. Attitudes like his in our industry we don't need.

Only my 2 cents worth.

Yobo, SOPs used in the Gimli fiasco? You must be refering to another flight, even re reading the inquiry from cover to cover Im damned if I can find any SOPs used in the Gimli Glider foul up, please explain what SOPs were used, I must be missing something, thank you.

Mods, could you be kind enough to allow me to answer Yobos libelous charge in Canadas "other language" Thanking you in advance!

Anti - Franco? Esc-ce-que c'est pourquois que j'ai payer deux impots aux conseils scholaires pour que mes enfants frequentent une ecole Francaise? Est-ce-que je suis Anti - Franco cars j'ai defier CALPA lors de la greve concernant la langue Francaise sur nos ondes a Quebec - et quand j'ai fait cela, ils (les vrai 'anti-francos) m'ont appeler un Separatiste!!??!!
Monsieur, vous n'avez aucune credibility...

Clunck,
I'm curious about the AC A330 incident you referred to. I've read a great number of reports, and don't recall anything about that one... Would love to hear a little more about it - know of any reports kicking around online about it?


Thanks,
Colin

YOBO, the AC330 did not ran out of fuel; both engines, if I recall correctly , went to idle for an unknown reason so far and they landed safely in CYUL. So may be, you should check your facts before embarrassing yourself....By following SOP contrary to someone else, they did the correct thing landing a plane which was not structurally damaged....

BREGUET
 

Mate, you appear to be all genned up on the AIR CANADA A330 incident. Would you care to share it with us?

breguet

SOPs in a non-standard situation or predicament is probably not such a good idea. Standard means standard, yawwwwwn, another routine flight.

When the sh*t hits the fan, you need to be focused on what needs to be done and who needs to do what. Strictly adhering to SOPs could spell disaster.

Not sure many who have gone through unexpected events followed SOPs? I think most who have a tale to tell will admit that the situation called for non-standard solutions.

FWIW
Willie :ok:

Willie, a well known case where the crew stick to ''dead'' to the sop,...remember swiss air!!...a little deviation to the ''procedure'' and maybe a different ending!

Capt Piche
 

Having known, trained and flown with capt. Piche several years before the incident, I can only say that he was an above average pilot. After being layed off, with family responsibilities, he did what most people would judge as irresponsible. Let us not sit here and judge what he did prior to the engine failure but praise the results and how the crew performed.
Those who have not tasted adrenalin during an emergency should refrain from any comment. We certainly can't predict our reactions, or performance. Have a good look at the tapes after you complete your LOFT training and CRM. Possibly your opinions will change.
As someone once quoted: IF ALL THE TIME YOU USE THINKING YOUR RIGHT....IS THERE ANY TIME LEFT TO THINK YOU MAY BE WRONG........

"Let us not sit here and judge what he did prior to the engine failure"

I throw up a little in my mouth when I hear this described as an engine failure.

Much more accurate is, "The engines stopped as they are designed to do when there is no longer any fuel entering the combustion chamber." This was not the fault of the engine...it was the fault of the mechanics and the pilots (yes, our Hero :yuk: Piche) for allowing the fuel exhaustion to take place.