Cdn ATPL Question
 

Hi:

I understand to attain the Cdn ATPL one has to meet the hourly requirements (1500hrs TT), with specific breakdown of those hours, and have passed the 3written exams (INRAT,SARON, and SAMRA). Is this all that is required to attain the ATPL endorsement on one's licence?

If the hours are not met (frozen ATPL?), is the 2 year policy still in effect to attain the 1500hrs before the written exams expire?

Thanks to all that shed some light on this.

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You will only need SAMRA and SARON for ATPL since you have to have the Multi-IR. INRAT is for the instrument rating. You have to have the instrument ride done in multi within a year as well. and co-pilot time counts half towards the total time only. and to write SAMRA and SARON, you will have to have 750hours total.

If this is a conversion other than from the states, you will have to have all the requirement including foreign ATPL before the conversion, otherwise you will have to do commercial ground school, written exam, commercial flight test, INRAT, IFR flight test in multi. If it has been more than a year from the initial multi ride or you don't have 50 hours multi PIC, you will have to do the multi ride as well.

IF you have foreign ATPL and have all the requirement, you will need to write PSTAR, SAMRA, SARON, INRAT and IFR flight test in multi.

There is no frozen ATPL in Canada.

I hope this helps.

Then what's the IATRA for? I was thinking of getting a frozen ATPL since lots of airlines have that as a minimum on the extremely low side, sucks that Canada doesn't have it. Can't improve too much without buttloads of money for ME-IFR and an instructor rating.

The IATRA will allow you to fly high-performance/multi-crew aircraft as FO (ex: emb110, DHC-8, B767). Once you start flying an aircraft that requires the ATPL (or at least the IATRA) your exams remain valid as long as you fly a type requiring that. It is pretty much the equivalent of a "frozen ATPL".

Look here, the Transport Canada website information:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/ge...onnel/fore.htm

I hold a canadian CPL issued about 3 years ago. Obviously my IFR is expired. I curently do CRJ ICAO recurrency in Montreal every six months. I have a current ICAO CPL MultiIFR.
I will have between 1300 and 1500 hrs TT when i go for my next recurrency. I want to do an ATPL (IFR) test during my next sim.
I believe all i have to do is the SARON and SAMRA tests and the IFR test.
The only problemis the P2 time that counts as half. All my time post CPL has been copliot time, does that make me ineligible for ATPL at 1500hrs?

If you have 1200hrs co-pilot time, you can only count 600 hours towards the ATPL total time requirement. and You will also need 250pic as well (100hours could be from the copilot time)

300 + (2400/2) = 1500 ATPL total time but 2700 total time.

You can use your ride/type rating/ppc for the ATPL flight test requirement if it's done by Canadian examiner.

And make sure you get your ICAO ride done for the company you work for. If you do this on your own, you will have to write INRAT again, if your Canadian IFR expired more than 2 years.

Co-pilot hours as in only for multi-crew aircraft correct?
For example, if I fly with another commercial pilot in a 4 seater single engine aircraft and I'm mostly there so he doesn't get lost and to help out with some navigation, I don't get to log co-pilot since it doesn't require more than one pilot right?

That's correct for the most part.
Transport Canada addresses the issue here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/ge...sonnel/cop.htm

The tricky part is for aircraft that can be flown single pilot but usually have a co-pilot. For example, a Conquest C441, Navajo or Caravan. If the operator has it on their operating certificate that the aircraft must be flown two crew, then you can log the time, if not, you can't log it.

I've also heard that if a medevac contract or similar requires two crew, you can log the time as well.

To add to the rumour mill, I have heard that TC is actually looking to remove the 50% credit for co-pilot time in the near future and making the hours worth 100%. That's just from a friend who heard it from a TC inspector - not personally confirmed.

Cheers!
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Now all I have to do is some how convince TC to make my C172 a 2 crew aircraft. Then I can log TONS of hours. Haha.... I wish..

Thanks for the info though..