Brucelee/Inuksuk:

First timer... great info.

I filled out the online application for AC some time ago, did an update 3 days ago and got an e-mail from the "hiring commitee" today. I am puzzled in that the e-mail said to go to the AC website and submit and update your application, also that only applications filed online will be accepted. Is this a standard reply(did not get it the first time) or am I missing something?

Again, thanks for the info.

I got a call yesterday for a medical in 2 weeks.I have been in the pool since March of 2001. I'm an "off the streeter" with 11,000 hours.
It was a long enough time coming.What an industry.
Looks like it will be a busy summer.

lownslo200. Unfotunately there is no phone number or person that I am aware of yet that one could call to clarify the status of your application. It sounds to me like the company is concentrating on the pool from the last hiring which I suspect will dry up pretty quick and the rest of you will hear something more positive over the summer. I would strongly suggest updating your application as often as you can just to show interest and recency.
As soon as a contact is revealed, I'm sure it will be posted on this forum.

Jumpy 737. If my memory serves me correct, travel passes kick in after six months but during training the company used to give us
positive space passes to go home on our time off. Hopefully that's still the case. The company will send out an info package in the mail before you begin training. I feel for you on the salary cut. I've said it before and will say it again, it ain't for everybody.

WF9F. Congrats. Good luck.

Good luck WF9F

I hope to be in your shoes soon. If things don't get too busy, please update the process here for the rest of us. Like you, I have the time(8+) but not the luck so far.

Brucelee:

I am currently out of work, but I will update. Is it a good idea to attach ref. letters?

Tks.

Thanks for the reply about the passes. In answer to another question I used to be at Jazz but left a while ago so I am now off the street. I don't think the LOU is in place anymore for preferential bidding and pay for the Jazz guys so I don't think there will be distinction between regional and off the street. I heard from someone in flight ops recently that there would be around 400-600 guys hired in the next two years so the wave is starting.

lownslow200. Attach any letters of recc to your elec. res.

Jumpy. In the past, the company had the street guys pick names out of a hat or use exam marks to determine seniority within the class. Ex regionals would of course be ahead (I ended up on A320 because I was a regional) but I believe that's all gone now. I guess more definite info to come as the first group goes through.

When i got the call my call display did not say AC.It just came up as a name and 905 area code.I know the pay may be lower than a few years ago but short term pain I figure. Especially with the numbers of new hires being thrown around there may be some quick movement in the next 5 years for those who get on early.I don't have much choice as I am unemployed right now from the corporate flying.
BruceLee and Inukshuk I hope to buy you guys a brew , maybe at the Arizona, as your info has been a ray of hope for most of us looking for work.Thanks again.

I was away in LHR doing my summer sim and imagine my surprise to see upon my arrival home a email from pilothiring @AC.

Now considering I have never been even offered an interview, nor ever been called etc. despite bags of jet time (Boeing & Airbus), being a citizen of The Great White North (figured I must be too old or too far away), nor did I think I even had an application on file, or at least one that is post 2000, I gotta wonder whats up?

Have the ground rules been changed, or is AC just running out of experienced guys?

Has everyone been recalled? Are they hiring OTS NOW? I wasn't in the pool before, but would love to get a call to start the process!

Does anyone know what type and amount of hours AC are looking for when they hire off the street? It seems like there are a lot of 8000 or 10000 hour guys getting calls. What about us little guys with only 3500 hours? Mind you half of that is jet time..so hopefully that will help. It is great the amount of info on this forum, Thanks to everyone for posting on here and sharing all the invaluable info.

I'm sorry if this has been covered, but I don't have time to sift through six pages.
How much pay for year 1, 2, 3 etc, and when do you get on formula, and how much for your first year on formula pay? ( I know formula pay depends on type, but what is this min)

Thanks
Unkl Bob

After the recent 15% pay reductions.....

1 – 12th Month
$3,751.87

13 – 24th Month
$4,262.29

You can make a bit more if you get "Drafted" on days off

Third year you go on formula but is not aircraft specific now.
You are in a "Position Group". They lump together all the junior positions and then average out the pay scale. (Emb FO, 767 RP, 340 RP0) It will vary with the number of pilots on each of those aircraft.

Third Year 60,000?

Fourth Year 65,000?

If there is a downturn before you can bid out of the group to 320 FO, you may get stuck on "B-Scale" for a long time.(5-6 years)

Your first year of REAL formula pay will be about 100,000.

Keep in mind the contract has been slashed due to the recent CCAA. (All recurrent training is done with NO pay on your days off)

Air Canada Pilots Association (ACPA) in a recent email to all members states that management has advised we will be hiring 600 pilots in the next 12 months and a course likely starting in july. In my opinion the company is now behind the eight ball in pilot staffing. They try to draft us everyday and reserves are low to non egsistant. Recalls and pilot hiring should of happened months ago me thinks. Oh well.

lost in saigon. If I'm not mistaken our salaries can be renegotiated in 2006. This info was given through a recent acpa email. I thought it was 2009. Can you confirm one or the other?

Contract is as follows:

Salaries are open to re-negociation in 2006 and contract as a whole in 2009.

600 IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS:ooh: ! Is this true?

The exact wording was "600 in the next year". I guess that has more than one meaning. What ever way you look at it, 600 is a big number.
meaw- thanx for confirming that. That's what I thought. We'll soon be negotiating 777/87 salaries though. :D

I heard the same thing from my furloughed friend. 600 new hires in the next year. However, that doesn't include any growth, only retirements (if I understood correctly). Retirements ramp up quickly within two years to rather large rates. However, the flight schools have known this for years.

I also received an email from the company, instructing me to update my profile. Got about 4300 hours, lots of turbine, no jet time. Keeping fingers crossed for the time being.

I've been on a draft...surprize. So just to add fuel to the fire -

1. The courses start in July - and the 67 and the EMB are taking most of the intake I am told. RP on 67, F/O on EMB.

2. 800-900 new hires in total is what I am told is going to be the number, which includes natural wastage and retirement coverage. Yep, ACPA rep told me that 600 is the "TARGET", and will also explain the worried looks in training - whether AC hires 600 in less than 12 months is another matter entirely - it'll be chaos:\

3. Gear door - your time, if it includes good turbine multi is WAY in excess of what they're looking at - remember I mentioned the quiet rumours on "cadet" type schemes, as a contingency...

Right I am going to get some sleep before the draft bell dings in again.

Might be a good idea to describe the two positions mostly available, F/O EMB and RP 767 just in case they give you a choice. The F/O position is a regular pilot position on that aircraft. The aircraft is rumured to take over some CRJ and A320 routes which are based in yul and yyz and fly to anywhere in N. America. Some of the best flying might be to the Caribean although that is still to be announced. But most certainly to L.A. and SFO, not to mention some nice layovers in NY, Atlanta, Miami etc. Of course it will also do some rapidairs. I don't know much about the a/c but it is rumured to be pretty high tech and I've seen it up close, pretty nice. Disadvantage is the cold meals. Oh well. Will probably do 2-4 legs a day, 78-85 hrs/month.

The RP on 767 is an overseas operation. Long-haul flights where you do no take-offs or landings. Just position reports and keep an eye on things enroute along with the F/O or Capt. Nice hotels, hot meals and one leg per day but has alot of deadheading. Bring a good book. As it stands now it is a regular PPC on the airplane. Flys about 80 hrs/month. There's more to it but that's the main stuff. Any other input guys?

Been reading the posts by all of you. I have to say it is really great to see the help coming in from the poeple already on the Red Team!

I have been staying in contact with Slowstream (who is a friend), and he has been pretty pumped about the whole hiring boom, as have I.

I was wondering if anyone can let me know what advantage/disadvantage it would be to work out of CYYC? Is this possible? How would it work if possible? Yadda yadda yadda........?

Any inputs I could get would be of big help. My current application went in today. Now I wait like the rest of you! Best of luck to all who are taking this big step!

Thanks

Adanac

Adanac.
Out of YYC you would probably be commuting to YYZ on the EMB or 767. Perhaps if you're lucky you might get RP 340 in YVR but not likely right of way. We have many commuters out of yyc to yyz but it's not easy. YVR is a very senior base. It's all do-able but not easy. In time you could get something out of YVR and commute there. Advantage? Great town, yyc. But so is yyz,yul or even yow(easy commute)

Brucelee,

what do you think my chances are with 3200 hours total time and 1400 hours right seat in a Boeing 727? Surely there must be lots of more qualified people out there with more time than that?

Again I think everyone on this forum appreciates the feedback.

Boeing 727. There will always be others with more time but that's not all they look at. You probably will be consigered in the 600 or more we are to hire. Good luck.

Brucelee:

I have been hearing the numbers and everthing sounds great. I am wondering what the process is when you get the call. Is there a tech. exan, medicial, group secesion...

Tks.

Brucelee,

Thanks for the reply. The info is helpfull but could you give a little more detail about what one would have to do in order to commute?

As for YYZ, I grew up just outside of there and I agree about it being a great place. Just I have put down roots here and am trying to look at every aspect.

Take care.

Adanac

lownslow, adnac check your PM.

In other words: "Pilots who were on the short list before it all stopped will not be given any special consideration".

Sarcasm alive and rampant.

MLS12-d.
As it were, the company has decided to go to the last pool (to save time?, to be fair? who knows). The info we pass on in this forum is obviously subject to change and always hard to figure out what the company will do as this is the first hiring under the new ACE corporation. Most of it is valid, some may need to be confirmed. I'm not quite sure where you whant to go with your comment.

Has anyone actually been called for a July course yet?

I heard first course late 2005.....I know things change by the minute.

Has anyone been called for an interview yet?

Brucelee, Inuksuk, et al:

Those of us who are working away in other corners of the Canadian industry really appreciate the info provided by you AC insiders.

It has been good to see AC emerging from the difficulties faced by all of the large airlines. Sounds like there is a lot of hiring to come this year and in the years to come hopefully.

How far in to the talent available will it go? I'm seeing guys commenting on here with thousands more hours than myself, and I've been encouraged by the responses.

Personally, I'm just shy of 2000 hours but with 900+ multi-turbine, 200+ of that PIC. All of that is glass/FMS time. Throw on top of that a few hundred hours back seating on a Boeing 3 holer.

Is there an outside shot of a guy like myself getting a call, or am I a couple of busy years away?

Highbypassratio,

It's hard to say what they are looking for but having been hired in the last hiring boom most of my classmates were from extremely different backgrounds and levels of experience.

I had 4000 hours all turboprop.Some guys had L1011 captain time and 10000 hrs+, another had never flown bigger than a Metroliner and had about 4000 hrs, another 2 were ex Snowbirds ,one a 757 FO , and another was flying BE1900's.

I was told that there is not a specific amount of hours to have ( although there is a absolute minimum wich I don't know) or a specific plane to have flown but to fit a certain profile and personality .I know guys with thousands of hours of jet pic who don't get called,others who do and guys with less time and experience who do get called....So I would say there is hope for all.

Hibypass. It's not easy to tell at this point who AC will hire.It seems that we'll have to wait for the first batch to go through and even then things may change along the way. In my opinion, given the large number of pilots required, anyone with some turbine time may eventually get a chance. Many pilots in this country with high time enjoy where they are and don't whant to leave or leaving is not feasable. The entry level position at AC is not for everyone anymore. This might give the rest a good chance to make it. Only my opinion. Patience and determination have always been a requirement in this industry.

Meaw. Management is aiming for a July course. Training dep is already swamped with the recalls and upgrades and new EMB training so I don't know if they can do it by July.

Straight from the AC website, not sure if it was posted on this thread already and I don't wanna bother to check:

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/career/pilots.html

Job Requirements

To fly for Air Canada, pilots must meet certain basic requirements:

Completion of schooling to the university entrance level. Ability to pass the Air Canada and Transport Canada medical and visual acuity requirements for a Category 1 medical certificate.
Canadian Airline Transport Pilot licence, current Instrument Rating and Multi-Engine endorsement.
Canadian citizenship or landed immigrant status.
Pilot applications far exceed job vacancies, so preference is given to candidates with qualifications beyond the basic requirements. Examples of desirable additional qualifications include, but are not limited to:

University degree or college diploma
Aviation College diploma
Military or commercial flight experience
Jet and/or glass cockpit experience
Additional language(s)
Currently Air Canada is not in a hiring phase ...watch this site for future notices on hiring status. In the meantime, you are encouraged to initiate and maintain your profile using the link at the end of this document.

It is anticipated that, in the next phase of pilot hiring at Air Canada, successful applicants will have in excess of 2500 hours of fixed wing flying time in a commercial or military environment.

Thanks, Dockjock.

I had read that, back before I filled out the on-line app. Must of slipped through the gray matter.:uhoh:

Am I to understand that AC's medical is the same as TC?

Last time I talked with someone about the vision standards was a couple of years ago. Has this changed?

Apologies if this question has already been asked...

The 600 hires within the next year, does this iinclude Jazz hiring?

Just curious...

Latest is that the 600 will take about two yrs. First two courses(July and Aug) are the pool from last time. Only one interview for these guys done by AC management including sim eval and medical. After the "pool is empty" they go to the rest. Two interviews apparantly, one preliminary by this outside hiring firm and if that goes well then you get one with AC management as well as sim and medical exams. No other further details at this point.

Click,


Medical is the same as TC. It used to be different ,more thorough, but a few that failed it sued for discrimination and won a few years back and today if you can hold the TC medical you should not have a problem with the AC one.

Thanks, that's precisely why I was asking. The last information I had was that AC had their own standards. Ran into a few friends in Dubai that had their share of arguments with the medical and I just wanted to know what the progress on that was.

The next question which is more of a statement....why do they bother doing their own medical if the TC medical is acceptable? It just increases the hassle factor and raises the cost.

Either way, excellent news for us frozen heads out in the far reaches of the universe. Keep the information flowing.:ok: