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Old 27th Jul 2019, 04:37
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Another Canadian floatplane crash, 4th in a month

By my count this is the fourth floatplane crash in Canada in the past month. At least three involved charter ops.

4 dead, 5 in hospital after floatplane crash north of Vancouver Island

CBC News -- Four people are dead and five are in hospital after a floatplane crashed Friday off the central coast of B.C.

The Cessna 208 crashed just after 11 a.m. PT on Addenbroke Island, about 100 kilometres north of Port Hardy, B.C., on Vancouver Island. The five survivors were flown by helicopter to hospital in Port Hardy, according to the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre.

Two are in critical condition, the other three are in serious but stable condition, according to B.C. Emergency Health Services.

The charter plane had been en route to Calvert Island, a few kilometres west of Addenbroke Island. The plane's departure point is not known.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ardy-1.5227326
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 10:23
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I have great respect for Fellow Aviators on floats.
Did some hundred hrs in 1992 in a C185.
Was it during take off or landing or enroute?

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Old 27th Jul 2019, 16:53
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By my count this is the fourth floatplane crash in Canada
I think it's worse than that, I can count 9, plus at least 5 landplanes too in the last month. Thankfully, not all fatal, but still too many. It's been an unusual summer for the number of accidents in Canada.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 03:08
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C208 Addenbroke Island

Any word on causes yet?
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Crash site


Weather at destination one hour after accident occurred.
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Direct route plotted Port Hardy to Hakai Institute on Calvert Island and location of accident on Addenbroke Island.
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I think it's overdue but Transport Canada need to revise their regulations & emphasize the importance of Instrument flying. All these VFR pilots are liabilities.
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All these VFR pilots are liabilities.
While flying in an environment where suitable airways and instrument approaches are not available?
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Originally Posted by studentpil0t
I think it's overdue but Transport Canada need to revise their regulations & emphasize the importance of Instrument flying. All these VFR pilots are liabilities.
Young man/woman, your lack of knowledge about Canadian aviation is impressive.
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Originally Posted by Pilot DAR
While flying in an environment where suitable airways and instrument approaches are not available?
i think they mean that pilots without IFR capability are liabilities. Non instrument rated pilots getting into IMC.
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I fly in Seair Caravans (and Beavers) all the time as a passenger - have done for years. They are a great company. I'm a low time PPL so I often sit up front to see what I can learn from the pilots. These guys are total professionals, and highly experienced (36,000 hours in one case, although sorry, all as a VFR liability!). The photo above looks like very typical west coast conditions, and most of the Caravans have glass cockpit, terrain warning, collision avoidance etc. There are survivors with evidence to give, so let's not jump to conclusions about cause or pilot skills.
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Originally Posted by Pilot DAR
While flying in an environment where suitable airways and instrument approaches are not available?
Because they teach you how to fly on airways and how to shoot approaches (with and without all your instruments) while simulating IMC during your PPL>CPL training right?
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Originally Posted by Old Dogs
Young man/woman, your lack of knowledge about Canadian aviation is impressive.
and you’ve determined this just by a statement I’ve made questioning the depth of IFR training in Canada in comparison to say FAA IFR training? (where I got my tickets) Your sense is far from common
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Because they teach you how to fly on airways and how to shoot approaches (with and without all your instruments) while simulating IMC during your PPL>CPL training right?
Yes, these skills are taught at the CPL level in Canada. Though I cannot speak for the pilot and operation involved in this sad situation, I would be confident that the pilot had instrument flying skills appropriate to airways and approaches, though those skills really don't help much flying floats to the water in a fjord environment. Allowing yourself to become IMC in that environment is the last thing you want to do at the altitudes associated with an approach to the water. You're more safe down in VMC, where you can see where you're going, if the ceiling gets low, and you could become trapped, landing on the water and waiting will be more safe that entering cloud, surrounded by mountains, with no safe way to navigate among them. When the MEA is many thousands of feet above where you must operate, entering IMC is downright dangerous!
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Good Morning All:

Although this is getting off topic especially for the gratuitous comments from student pilot. I will only comment on his statements regarding training standards between the FAA and Transport Canada. Disclaimer I have held licences in both the USA and Canada 23,000 hours and endorsed on three heavy aircraft. In my thinking the training in Canada is far more rigorous than the FAA. For example when I was endorsed in the USA I had my commercial multi-engine and on completion of my instrument endorsement I was now allowed to do a 200 1/2 on a ILS. On arriving back in Canada I was surprised to find out IFR was divided into Class 1 Class 2 on either single engine or multi engine. In Canada emphasis on training was for non-precision approaches and at the time of my training in the US even my instructors had difficulty with ADF approaches.

Float plane flying to be is a art form and watching those who fly in the environment is a real treat for me. Seeing the accidents that are mentioned reminds me how succinct the line is in being alive or dead but I digress
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This USA vs. Canadian really gets old. Give it a rest. None of us knows what caused this accident, and while flying floats is a unique and special talent it does not relieve one from the most basic requiremeents. FWIW, the legacy airline I worked for had a minimum RVR 4000 for letting the F/O shoot an approach and I don't think it did much to enhance the safety. Pilots have struggled with ADF approaches since the Wright Brothers
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Allowing yourself to become IMC in that environment is the last thing you want to do at the altitudes associated with an approach to the water. You're more safe down in VMC, where you can see where you're going, if the ceiling gets low, and you could become trapped, landing on the water and waiting will be more safe that entering cloud, surrounded by mountains, with no safe way to navigate among them. When the MEA is many thousands of feet above where you must operate, entering IMC is downright dangerous!


Wot he said!

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Student pilot!

I am willing to bet this had nothing to do with IFR rated or not or initial basic Canadien Commercial Training.
And if so ,You Mr Studentpilot are privy to information unknown to us or TC for that mater.

With regards to Canadian standards I can tell You that as a holder of a Norwegian, Irish and FAA ATPL and a UK and Italian ATPL Validation , Canada is second to non.

Regards CptB
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For student pilot I will defer to BluSdUp as he has more ratings than my American CPL ME Instrument as I only have a Canadian ATPL L-1011 B-767 A-330 ME land sea etc. He will be able to add more on the differences that you have talked about
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Another floatplane crash this afternoon, off BC's Sunshine Coast:

https://globalnews.ca/news/5703833/s...rashe-sechelt/

three onboard were rescued by a nearby tugboat before the plane sunk.
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