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Old 28th Nov 2017, 15:42   #1 (permalink)
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Air Canada

Hello Everyone,

Greetings.

I am looking for some advice/inputs/insights from pilots of Air canada. Please help me take a right decision.

I am currently flying the 777 with a major player as First Officer and looking forward to immigrate to canada by next year. I hold an FAA and Canadian ATP with 777 endorsement. And working on canadian PR for myself and family. I have about 3000+ hrs on 737NG and 1500+ on 777 as First officer.
I am also considering US but more inclined towards Canada as I like it more.


What are the chances for myself to land up in a job with Air Canada. If so how would be the life and career progression in the company? I am not looking for a quick command, as I can have it in my home country. I am looking for a better country to raise my family in terms of quality of life, education, health care,retirement, job security etc. Is it wise to leave middle east for canada ? Because I have seen canadian pilots apply for middle east due to high taxes in the region. I don't mind paying taxes as long as the above mentioned items are taken care of.


Thank you

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Old 28th Nov 2017, 16:19   #2 (permalink)
 
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First off, you would be wise to check out the immigration requirements here. You have to qualify to come here and being a pilot may not fit the immigration criteria. Secondly, Air Canada is unionized, which means that you will most likely have to progress through the ranks on junior equipment.

Even though Canada is a target for immigrants right now, it isn't guaranteed that you get the PR.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 18:11   #3 (permalink)
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Thank you 777av8r. Yes, I do qualify, with a double degree and with my folks out in canada. PR is not an issue but finding a job in the right company is.
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If immigration is not an issue and you are okay with going to the bottom of the list, I think your chances are very good... but it seems HR is always a mystery on who they pick.

I say put in an application and see if you get an interview. You can ask questions in the interview and get what should be accurate information.

Air Canada is hiring a lot right now (by Canadian standards) and rumours have it career progression is rather quick (again by Canadian standards).
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I've said it before very slim chance . The regionals are feeding quite well and they are so picky I hear.

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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 01:14   #6 (permalink)
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Thank you Gentleman.
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So AC will pick up a prop pilot over a pilot who has both narrowbody and widebody LH jet time?

You really have to explain the logic behind your assertion.
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AC is hiring a lot.

Yes they are hiring from the regionals, but currently the majority of new hire pilots are coming from other operations, primarily with jet experience. I have seen several new hires from overseas carriers.

If you have the right to work in Canada, and jet airline experience you have an excellent chance of being selected.

Life is generally good at the airline. Lots of types and variety depending on what you wan to do. Join as a FO on 767/737/320/EMJ or RP 777/787. Junior upgrades are about a year right now in Toronto on a EMJ, 2-4 years on the 737/320... FO 777/787/330 is a few years at least. CA on a widebody... who knows, much is changing and will change before the day comes - call it 20 years.

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So AC will pick up a prop pilot over a pilot who has both narrowbody and widebody LH jet time?

You really have to explain the logic behind your assertion.
AC is hiring many from their regionals under a so called "Pilot Mobility List".

The first iteration of it got the highest paid Jazz pilots out of their seats, thus lowering AC's CPA costs. They were filling a wide majority of their courses with these pilots for a while.

It is no longer the majority now - pilots are being hired from many airlines, corporate, military, etc.

However, AC's regional carriers are well represented on recent courses, and the PML 2.0 serves to draw more people in with the promise of an interview and preferred shot to mainline.

They aren't just 'prop pilots'. Many, even most, are EMJ and CRJ... plus your handful of Q400,/DH8 classic guys.
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Life is generally good at the airline. Lots of types and variety depending on what you wan to do. Join as a FO on 767/737/320/EMJ or RP 777/787.
Can you inform on how the initial placement goes?

I understand you don't choose, and are then frozen on type for a few years, before being able to bid off. Is that correct?

If there is an option to choose types, what is the general preference of the candidates? Short haul for fast upgrade, or long haul for lifestyle? I understand that is highly personal, and company requirements supersede preference, but wonder if there is a general consensus out there that you can share.
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There is a seniority draw and pilots choose based on what's available. All those are new hire positions, but not all may be offered depending on available courses at time of joining.

The company has an option to freeze new hires, but I don't believe they have been. The freeze does not apply if you are changing bases or bidding left seat.

"Short haul for fast upgrade" isn't how it works. Upgrade is seniority based, you can bid from 777 RP to 320 CA if your seniority can hold it.

As you say positions are personal. 777RP is a good job, 10 days a month, but some guys don't like to ride in the back and want to fly so will take 320 for 15 days a month... hourly pay is the same years 1-4 for FO/RP.
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