Carson Air SA226 Metroliner (cargo) missing between YVR and YXS
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FlightAware certainly does not have direct access to Canadian radar data. They use ADS-B info from different sources including commercial satellite tracking services.
- Carson Air Flight 66 was not even equipped with an ADS-B transmitter, so the position data could not have come from ADS-B!
- FlightAware is one of very few "web" companies with FAA authorization to receive Class 2 ASDI feed from the FAA. Class 2 means they receive "near real-time" (5 minute delay) ATC (processed radar) feed directly from the FAA.
- The FAA ASDI feed includes position data from all IFR flights in the US, Canada and optionally the UK.
- You can also see from the FlightAware track log I posted yesterday that the Carson Air position data source was not from ADS-B but from Vancouver Center (highlighted in yellow):
My point was that, as the previous poster stated, FlightAware uses a range of sources in addition to ATC radar data, including ADS-B and multilateration from its network of enthusiasts with suitable receivers.
So, as a general rule, the presence of a track on FlightAware does not necessarily imply that an aircraft is in radar contact with an ARTCC, though clearly in this instance it was.
So, as a general rule, the presence of a track on FlightAware does not necessarily imply that an aircraft is in radar contact with an ARTCC, though clearly in this instance it was.
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Sounds similar to an accident in New Zealand where the out of balance (fuel)
aircraft's autopilot disconnected, Quickly causing an out of control dive and inflight breakup... One wing was found complete with burn marks from fire as the wing separated.
ASN Aircraft accident Swearingen SA227-AC Metro III ZK-POA Stratford
Its all in there..
aircraft's autopilot disconnected, Quickly causing an out of control dive and inflight breakup... One wing was found complete with burn marks from fire as the wing separated.
ASN Aircraft accident Swearingen SA227-AC Metro III ZK-POA Stratford
Its all in there..
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Onboard fire usually take a little bit of time to fully develop, long enough to be noticed by the crew that something is wrong.
This accident however appears to have been very abrupt.
This accident however appears to have been very abrupt.
Alright pretty simple in Canada we have a rather ineffectual regulator. It is a metroII no autopilot, no cvr, no fdr, no 3rd AI, only reason for a gps is because of rnav's
This is a cargo operation, most pax carriers aren't. Much better no autopilot unless required by contract"oilpatch or otherwise" there is very little upgrades done unless absolutely required. Everything piece meal tcas here, taws there, God forbid it would be done as a cohesive unit. Iow expect nothing, and you won't be disappointed. That said you will get really good at your scan
This is a cargo operation, most pax carriers aren't. Much better no autopilot unless required by contract"oilpatch or otherwise" there is very little upgrades done unless absolutely required. Everything piece meal tcas here, taws there, God forbid it would be done as a cohesive unit. Iow expect nothing, and you won't be disappointed. That said you will get really good at your scan
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Alright pretty simple in Canada we have a rather ineffectual regulator. It is a metroII no autopilot, no cvr, no fdr, no 3rd AI, only reason for a gps is because of rnav's
..loved it though.
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Flew those night cargoes as a copilot,and sometimes wandered in my thoughts, where would You go if You are alone and something goes berserk.Only someone at the Atc to listen.
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Flew those night cargoes as a copilot,and sometimes wandered in my thoughts, where would You go if You are alone and something goes berserk.Only someone at the Atc to listen.
When it got too lonely i would fit an earphone with music into my david clarks,so the right would listen to music and the left to ATC.
Now when weather was
,i didnt have time to listen to music anyways
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To attain a BAC of 0.24%, an average male with a weight similar to the captain's would have to consume approximately 17 to 20 standard drinks over a 12‑hour period. If consumption had taken place over a 4-hour period immediately before reporting for work, a BAC of 0.24% would have required approximately 14 standard drinks.
It's a shame that the captain's colleagues knew that he had a drinking problem but no significant action was taken to address it.
And it's shocking that suicide / intentional act is officially a plausible scenario for this crash.