The backlash against foreign pilots explained to foreign pilots
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The backlash against foreign pilots explained to foreign pilots
Note : This post is NOT about foreign pilots who immigrate to Canada.
It's probably in the winter of 98-99 that Canadian and European airlines began reciprocal agreements to swap aircraft and pilots.
The peak season for narrow body airliners is the summer in Europe, but in the winter in Canada. It thus made perfect sense for European pilots and aircraft to come to Canada in the winter to help fly those extra passengers, and for Canadians aircraft and pilots to go to Europe in the summer, to reciprocate.
Several Canadian and European airlines engaged in these reciprocal exchanges from 1998 to 2010, for a period of about 12 years, without raising the ire of any group, for in fact it was beneficial to all concerned, the airlines and the pilots, in Canada as in Europe.
Sharing aircraft and crews allowed airlines in Europe and Canada to maximize the use of the shared aircraft, and instead of having part time seasonal pilots, that would be laid off during the low season, it allowed pilots of participating airlines to increase year round full time employment for the pilots involved in reciprocal agreements. This was a win-win situation for all and no one complained.
Who is spoiling it now ?
In 2010, the European travel giant TUI purchased 49% of Canada's Sunwing Airlines. That winter, before the purchase, Sunwing's peak winter fleet had gone up to 12 aircraft. Sunwing's permanent Canadian fleet was around 5 aircraft, 4 of which would be sent to Europe in the summer.
The winter the TUI acquisition, in 2010-2011, Sunwing's fleet went up to 18 aircraft and about 78 European pilots came to Canada, while and Sunwing sent just just 3 aircraft to Europe the following summer (2011) for a total of about 45 pilots.
In the winter of 2011-2012, Sunwing's winter fleet went up to 23 aircraft and about 180 European pilots came to Canada to work for Sunwing. At the time, Sunwing employed only about 140 Canadian pilots. We had a situation where Sunwing had more European pilots than Canadians. Sunwing's own fleet that year was about 8 aircraft, the other 15 were short term leases from Europe. The next summer, Sunwing sent just 4 aircraft to Europe (about 60 pilots) plus another 12 pilots that went to fly European registered aircraft, the last year that Europe allowed that practice.
In the winter of 2012-2013, Sunwing's fleet went up to 29 aircraft, with close to 200 Foreign pilots, some flying Canadian registered aircraft, others imported with wet-leased aircraft. The next summer, Sunwing sent 7 aircraft to Europe, about 100 pilots. It was the record year for Canadian pilots in Europe.
During the 2013-2014 winter, Sunwing's was at 32 aircraft and it again had about 180 foreign pilots, 120 to fly Canadian Registered aircraft and 4 aircraft on wet-lease with about 60 pilots. The next summer, Sunwing sent 4 aircraft to Europe with about 60 pilots.
This winter, Sunwing's winter fleet went up to 37 aircraft, and it again imported about 195 foreign pilots, 120 to fly Canadian registered aircraft and 5 foreign wet-leases with about another 75 foreign pilots. I heard they may be again sending 4 aircraft to Europe this coming summer.
Such reciprocal agreements of swapping pilots are supposed to be beneficial for the pilot groups on both sides of the Atlantic. But from the moment there is abuse and the exchanges are no longer fair and equal, there will be a backlash and the sauce will be spoiled for all.
I have received messages from Thomson pilots sincerely thinking that the pilot exchanges were fair and balanced as far as they are concerned, because the pilot exchanges between Sunwing and Thomson, as seen in bubble, were balanced. But Sunwing is a TUI-owned company and in addition to sending the Thomson pilots, TUI also sends TUIfly, Jetairfly and Arkefly pilots to Canada in the winter. Sunwing also leases more European aircraft and more European pilots from a non-TUI airline, Czech-based Travel Service.
If this imbalance in pilot exchanges is maintained, the exchanges will disappear altogether and those who now benefit from it will bear the consequences. If they are balanced, they will continue, to everyone's benefit.
In the past 5 years, about 3 times as many European pilots have been coming to Canada each winter for Sunwing than Canadian pilots flying for European airlines in the summer.
Please understand that we do not need European pilots in Canada. Canada has a thriving aviation industry where young low time Canadian pilots can find jobs and gain experience while waiting for the airline job (for those who want to go there), on bush aircraft, crop-dusters, on water bombers, on light piston aircraft, on light turboprops, on medium turbo-props, on corporate jets, and also lighter jets such as CRJs. Here in Canada, pilots do not pay for their own Type Ratings, there is no Cadet program and airlines that operate transport category jets normally require 3000 to 4000 hours for a new first officer position and easily fill those slots with those requirements.
All transport jet first-officers in Canada are normally ATPL rated and have several thousand hours at the time of hire.
We never have CPL rated low timers in the right seat of Transport category jets in Canada, nor do we have pilots with self funded Type Ratings.
We do not have Cadet programs in Canada, we don't need to.
We do not have pay to fly schemes because pilots who are rated on 737s and 320s were first employed by the airlines that operate these aircraft and were provided the type rating and the line training free of charge to the pilots because the airline needs them.
The B737NG jobs that are presently taken by the Europeans, some of which are CPL low timers, are those same jobs that young Canadians who have paid their dues with several thousand hours of light piston aircraft, turboprop time, or light jet time, look forward to in order to make their careers progress to the airlines.
We do not NEED foreign pilots in Canada. The only reason we do it is for the reasons of reciprocity, to avoid lay offs and provide year round employment to those Canadian pilots engaged in reciprocity.
From the moment those reciprocity reasons no longer exist, we will pull the plug on this fake reciprocity business and you Europeans pilots who normally come to Canada in the winter will get to stay at home in the winter and twist your thumbs.
I hope that those European pilots who have common sense will realize that it is in their best interest to make sure that the relationship between the Sunwing group and the European partners with which Sunwing enters into "reciprocal" agreements with will not get greedy and keep it fair and balanced, in the best interests all concerned.
We once did a 2 week petition that we sent to the immigration minister to protest the foreign pilots and gathered 2500 signatures, and there are barely 10,000 of us.
It's probably in the winter of 98-99 that Canadian and European airlines began reciprocal agreements to swap aircraft and pilots.
The peak season for narrow body airliners is the summer in Europe, but in the winter in Canada. It thus made perfect sense for European pilots and aircraft to come to Canada in the winter to help fly those extra passengers, and for Canadians aircraft and pilots to go to Europe in the summer, to reciprocate.
Several Canadian and European airlines engaged in these reciprocal exchanges from 1998 to 2010, for a period of about 12 years, without raising the ire of any group, for in fact it was beneficial to all concerned, the airlines and the pilots, in Canada as in Europe.
Sharing aircraft and crews allowed airlines in Europe and Canada to maximize the use of the shared aircraft, and instead of having part time seasonal pilots, that would be laid off during the low season, it allowed pilots of participating airlines to increase year round full time employment for the pilots involved in reciprocal agreements. This was a win-win situation for all and no one complained.
Who is spoiling it now ?
In 2010, the European travel giant TUI purchased 49% of Canada's Sunwing Airlines. That winter, before the purchase, Sunwing's peak winter fleet had gone up to 12 aircraft. Sunwing's permanent Canadian fleet was around 5 aircraft, 4 of which would be sent to Europe in the summer.
The winter the TUI acquisition, in 2010-2011, Sunwing's fleet went up to 18 aircraft and about 78 European pilots came to Canada, while and Sunwing sent just just 3 aircraft to Europe the following summer (2011) for a total of about 45 pilots.
In the winter of 2011-2012, Sunwing's winter fleet went up to 23 aircraft and about 180 European pilots came to Canada to work for Sunwing. At the time, Sunwing employed only about 140 Canadian pilots. We had a situation where Sunwing had more European pilots than Canadians. Sunwing's own fleet that year was about 8 aircraft, the other 15 were short term leases from Europe. The next summer, Sunwing sent just 4 aircraft to Europe (about 60 pilots) plus another 12 pilots that went to fly European registered aircraft, the last year that Europe allowed that practice.
In the winter of 2012-2013, Sunwing's fleet went up to 29 aircraft, with close to 200 Foreign pilots, some flying Canadian registered aircraft, others imported with wet-leased aircraft. The next summer, Sunwing sent 7 aircraft to Europe, about 100 pilots. It was the record year for Canadian pilots in Europe.
During the 2013-2014 winter, Sunwing's was at 32 aircraft and it again had about 180 foreign pilots, 120 to fly Canadian Registered aircraft and 4 aircraft on wet-lease with about 60 pilots. The next summer, Sunwing sent 4 aircraft to Europe with about 60 pilots.
This winter, Sunwing's winter fleet went up to 37 aircraft, and it again imported about 195 foreign pilots, 120 to fly Canadian registered aircraft and 5 foreign wet-leases with about another 75 foreign pilots. I heard they may be again sending 4 aircraft to Europe this coming summer.
Such reciprocal agreements of swapping pilots are supposed to be beneficial for the pilot groups on both sides of the Atlantic. But from the moment there is abuse and the exchanges are no longer fair and equal, there will be a backlash and the sauce will be spoiled for all.
I have received messages from Thomson pilots sincerely thinking that the pilot exchanges were fair and balanced as far as they are concerned, because the pilot exchanges between Sunwing and Thomson, as seen in bubble, were balanced. But Sunwing is a TUI-owned company and in addition to sending the Thomson pilots, TUI also sends TUIfly, Jetairfly and Arkefly pilots to Canada in the winter. Sunwing also leases more European aircraft and more European pilots from a non-TUI airline, Czech-based Travel Service.
If this imbalance in pilot exchanges is maintained, the exchanges will disappear altogether and those who now benefit from it will bear the consequences. If they are balanced, they will continue, to everyone's benefit.
In the past 5 years, about 3 times as many European pilots have been coming to Canada each winter for Sunwing than Canadian pilots flying for European airlines in the summer.
Please understand that we do not need European pilots in Canada. Canada has a thriving aviation industry where young low time Canadian pilots can find jobs and gain experience while waiting for the airline job (for those who want to go there), on bush aircraft, crop-dusters, on water bombers, on light piston aircraft, on light turboprops, on medium turbo-props, on corporate jets, and also lighter jets such as CRJs. Here in Canada, pilots do not pay for their own Type Ratings, there is no Cadet program and airlines that operate transport category jets normally require 3000 to 4000 hours for a new first officer position and easily fill those slots with those requirements.
All transport jet first-officers in Canada are normally ATPL rated and have several thousand hours at the time of hire.
We never have CPL rated low timers in the right seat of Transport category jets in Canada, nor do we have pilots with self funded Type Ratings.
We do not have Cadet programs in Canada, we don't need to.
We do not have pay to fly schemes because pilots who are rated on 737s and 320s were first employed by the airlines that operate these aircraft and were provided the type rating and the line training free of charge to the pilots because the airline needs them.
The B737NG jobs that are presently taken by the Europeans, some of which are CPL low timers, are those same jobs that young Canadians who have paid their dues with several thousand hours of light piston aircraft, turboprop time, or light jet time, look forward to in order to make their careers progress to the airlines.
We do not NEED foreign pilots in Canada. The only reason we do it is for the reasons of reciprocity, to avoid lay offs and provide year round employment to those Canadian pilots engaged in reciprocity.
From the moment those reciprocity reasons no longer exist, we will pull the plug on this fake reciprocity business and you Europeans pilots who normally come to Canada in the winter will get to stay at home in the winter and twist your thumbs.
I hope that those European pilots who have common sense will realize that it is in their best interest to make sure that the relationship between the Sunwing group and the European partners with which Sunwing enters into "reciprocal" agreements with will not get greedy and keep it fair and balanced, in the best interests all concerned.
We once did a 2 week petition that we sent to the immigration minister to protest the foreign pilots and gathered 2500 signatures, and there are barely 10,000 of us.
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I completely agree with you, however, I don't think that what you, or any group of unorganized (non-unionized) Canadian pilots would prefer is what matters here.
What matters is money, plain and simple, and the cheap ass owners of Sunwing and whoever else wants to engage in this practice will decide how this will play out. I doubt very much that the Canadian government is too concerned about the jobs of a couple of hundred pilots for six months per year.
I wish it were different, as I say, I completely agree with everything in your post.
I'm mostly flying now with European FOs who came up through that system, and I'm not a fan, however, at least it beats the cadet system.
What matters is money, plain and simple, and the cheap ass owners of Sunwing and whoever else wants to engage in this practice will decide how this will play out. I doubt very much that the Canadian government is too concerned about the jobs of a couple of hundred pilots for six months per year.
I wish it were different, as I say, I completely agree with everything in your post.
I'm mostly flying now with European FOs who came up through that system, and I'm not a fan, however, at least it beats the cadet system.
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Canjet layoffs
Today, 47 Canjet pilots, all rated, current and experienced on the B737NG received their layoff notices.
Just to let those who think Canada needs them know.......
Just to let those who think Canada needs them know.......
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fully agree with you. It's a way of saving the company money pure and simple. No need for it like there's no need for cadets. Government doesn't care, they'll just pay a few dozen pilots EI cheques again. No big deal.
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Five or six years ago I was flying for a small European operator, now sadly no more. At that time many of my mates, all type rated and experienced on the 737 were out of work. In the summer we had two sun wings 737-800s flying for us, with our cabin crew and Canadian pilots. In the winter we were supposed to take our 800s to Canada, but Sunwings cancelled it. The next summer Sunwings were back flying for us again. I don't recall hearing that a single Canadian pilot had ever said to their management "I refuse to fly in Europe because there are lots of type rated European pilots looking for jobs on the 737".
But maybe I'm missing something. Perhaps Canadians should be able to work in the UK, or Africa, or the Middle East, or China, or anywhere else they can get a work permit, but no one except Canadians should be allowed to work in Canada.
That sounds fair, doesn't it?
But maybe I'm missing something. Perhaps Canadians should be able to work in the UK, or Africa, or the Middle East, or China, or anywhere else they can get a work permit, but no one except Canadians should be allowed to work in Canada.
That sounds fair, doesn't it?
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All due respect to foreigners. We have a huge issue in Canada with foreign workers right now. The TFW (Temporary Foreign Workers) program is in shambles and this being an election year, much political posturing is ongoing at this moment on how to avoid fumbling this hot potato. There is far more involved than 100 or so pilots and this is a large dilemma in Canada.
Almost every nation on the planet has laws and statutes which address foreign workers and many trade agreements.
No country in the world is immune from scrutiny on protectionist legislation. Every EU nation has some dirt on their hands for exactly such conduct. Australia has had some of the toughest work visa regulations for many years (I had such status down under in the 80's), and the process was onerous to say the least. The far east is so inconsistent and convoluted, one can hardly consider them anything other than confused.
Canadian politics is entering a phase where we need government to tackle many outstanding problems within our nation, some of which are foreigners (More specifically foreigners taking jobs from Canadians when we have enough skill to fill the bill), and the lost opportunities for our own youth and trained but not employed skilled workers. If some of you foreign fellows want, you can apply for citizenship and stay, if you have skills and training we will welcome you with open arms. If you intend to come here and turn us into a facsimile of where you came from, save your ink and apply elsewhere. We may be somewhat protectionist, however I can find similar statutes and protectionist law in all other nations. Good day.
Almost every nation on the planet has laws and statutes which address foreign workers and many trade agreements.
No country in the world is immune from scrutiny on protectionist legislation. Every EU nation has some dirt on their hands for exactly such conduct. Australia has had some of the toughest work visa regulations for many years (I had such status down under in the 80's), and the process was onerous to say the least. The far east is so inconsistent and convoluted, one can hardly consider them anything other than confused.
Canadian politics is entering a phase where we need government to tackle many outstanding problems within our nation, some of which are foreigners (More specifically foreigners taking jobs from Canadians when we have enough skill to fill the bill), and the lost opportunities for our own youth and trained but not employed skilled workers. If some of you foreign fellows want, you can apply for citizenship and stay, if you have skills and training we will welcome you with open arms. If you intend to come here and turn us into a facsimile of where you came from, save your ink and apply elsewhere. We may be somewhat protectionist, however I can find similar statutes and protectionist law in all other nations. Good day.
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Protectionism never really works in the long run. It ultimately leads to expensive and crappy wine being made in greenhouses in Greenland, or Sahara making bad fake snow. Nobody wins. But short term, perhaps.
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The real effects of protectionism are to reduce consumer choice, to raise the price of protected foreign products and domestic goods, to misallocate resources, and to lower worldwide production. Protectionist policies may “save” some jobs in a specific industry, but only at the expense of the overall welfare of the country. Tariffs promote the production of items in which a nation is inefficient and deter other production lines in which the country has a comparative advantage. By repealing tariffs, things that could be produced more efficiently in one country would be made there and items that could be purchased less expensively abroad would be imported.
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@Kesskidi, in Canada we have many protectionist laws, mostly outdated and originally intended to be temporary. Unfortunately reality has dictated the recipients of these subsidies (can't really classify them as anything but) are loathe to surrender the advantages gained. Be it Dairy, eggs, grain, they all are recipients of protectionist law. Try the Quebec cheese quota dilemma, the lack of return on the autopak bailout in 2008 etc.. After the federal govt. sold those GM shares they bought to help GM stave off bankruptcy, the bonus is a 3 billion loss for taxpayers. Government should be loathe to ever help protect any jobs, witnessed by the mass exodus of GM jobs lately. Not much long term return on that investment (both opposition parties would have given more money to GM had they actually the ability to do so according to JT & Mulcair).
Nowhere do I say I find protectionist law to be remotely attractive. I do know for a fact that should we address this on any single item it should be tossed. This should be a wholesale change in thinking for the entire nation and every instance of protectionist law should be tossed, of course the Belle Province has far more silly outdated instances of this than any other Province. Quebec having it's own foreign investor/immigration for sale program is so stunned it defies description. Ontario has a protectionist Premier as does Manitoba these days, good luck with those 2 Provinces. BC has the most corrupt Provincial govt. in the nation, ethics is a word never used or adhered to from that crowd. If one of their financial backers can make a nickel off the protectionist law, no chance of that going well.
Overall we have some fairly suspect leadership in all levels of Canadian politics, chances of any coming to their senses are not promising. All the bureaucrats who butter their bread running the various agencies that are involved will go postal. Also the industry agencies (many operating as not for profits) and the employees of them will equally go postal. Not an appealing thought for any political entity, let alone the special interest caterers we now have masquerading as politicians in Canada these days.
Just a grumpy ole fart's two cents worth, your mileage may vary...
Nowhere do I say I find protectionist law to be remotely attractive. I do know for a fact that should we address this on any single item it should be tossed. This should be a wholesale change in thinking for the entire nation and every instance of protectionist law should be tossed, of course the Belle Province has far more silly outdated instances of this than any other Province. Quebec having it's own foreign investor/immigration for sale program is so stunned it defies description. Ontario has a protectionist Premier as does Manitoba these days, good luck with those 2 Provinces. BC has the most corrupt Provincial govt. in the nation, ethics is a word never used or adhered to from that crowd. If one of their financial backers can make a nickel off the protectionist law, no chance of that going well.
Overall we have some fairly suspect leadership in all levels of Canadian politics, chances of any coming to their senses are not promising. All the bureaucrats who butter their bread running the various agencies that are involved will go postal. Also the industry agencies (many operating as not for profits) and the employees of them will equally go postal. Not an appealing thought for any political entity, let alone the special interest caterers we now have masquerading as politicians in Canada these days.
Just a grumpy ole fart's two cents worth, your mileage may vary...
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Arcdu - I totally agree. This gets very old. The amount of Canadians flying overseas, whether on rotation, or permanently is also at quite a number. What I read here is Canadians should be the only ones flying in Canada, no foreigners. Just because you have some pro active foreigners looking for work outside of their home/comfort zone, doesn't mean they can criticized for doing so.
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Arcdu, this back and forth reciprocal deals between Canadian and European companies went on for about a dozen years without much problems. Canadian came over to Europe in the Summer and Europeans came over to Canada in the winter. But the trades were equal, or more or less so.
After Canada 3000 went under in 2002, their unemployed pilots tried to block the Europeans pilots from coming to Canada to fly for Skyservice, claiming that because they were unemployed, the foreigners should stay home. They were unsuccessful because Skyservice was doing true and equal reciprocity with the UK airlines and that allowed Skyservice pilots to have full time employment instead of seasonal jobs. About 70 UK pilots still came over to Canada in 2003, My Travel pilots I think it was.
After TUI purchased Sunwing in 2010, things changed and ever since then, the exchanges have always favored the Europeans by a very large margin. For 5 consecutive years.
One year, there were more Europeans pilots flying Sunwing Canadian registered aircraft than Canadian pilots, about 145 to 180 I think.
Do you you picture Thomson one summer having more Canadian pilots than Europeans pilots flying Thomson UK registered aircraft ?
Plus the Europeans no longer allow Foreign Licenced pilots to fly European registered aircraft. So I don't see why Canada should allow Foreign licenced pilots to fly Canadian Registered aircraft.
After Canada 3000 went under in 2002, their unemployed pilots tried to block the Europeans pilots from coming to Canada to fly for Skyservice, claiming that because they were unemployed, the foreigners should stay home. They were unsuccessful because Skyservice was doing true and equal reciprocity with the UK airlines and that allowed Skyservice pilots to have full time employment instead of seasonal jobs. About 70 UK pilots still came over to Canada in 2003, My Travel pilots I think it was.
After TUI purchased Sunwing in 2010, things changed and ever since then, the exchanges have always favored the Europeans by a very large margin. For 5 consecutive years.
One year, there were more Europeans pilots flying Sunwing Canadian registered aircraft than Canadian pilots, about 145 to 180 I think.
Do you you picture Thomson one summer having more Canadian pilots than Europeans pilots flying Thomson UK registered aircraft ?
Plus the Europeans no longer allow Foreign Licenced pilots to fly European registered aircraft. So I don't see why Canada should allow Foreign licenced pilots to fly Canadian Registered aircraft.
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Protectionism is wildly successful for South Korea, Japan, Scandinavia and several other industrialized countries. North American Free Trade has decimated the middle class in the U.S. and parts of Canada. It has given rise to the "3 part-time jobs in the service sector just to keep my head above debt, as I compete with temporary workers" career profile.
Airline pilot hiring is quite outside the mainstream job market.
It is the exception and few generalizations apply.
China? Don't get me started...
Airline pilot hiring is quite outside the mainstream job market.
It is the exception and few generalizations apply.
China? Don't get me started...
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wrong.
what has eroded middle class income in USA and Canada are conservative governments favouring shareholders.
while China was working its ass off, USA and Canada were outsourcing to provide more money to shareholders.
According to some highly paid incompetent poeple, the only way a company is able to "make money" today is by decreasing salaries. not by selling at better price a better product (toyota anyone ?).
what's wrong ?
decreasing salaries means less income and people will consume less. you don't create wealth by decreasing salaries, you create poverty.
if you want to create wealth with your company, you have to have good ideas.
Canadian jobs to Canadian pilots ? sure, keep at it. Who else would move to Canada for those wages anyway....?
what has eroded middle class income in USA and Canada are conservative governments favouring shareholders.
while China was working its ass off, USA and Canada were outsourcing to provide more money to shareholders.
According to some highly paid incompetent poeple, the only way a company is able to "make money" today is by decreasing salaries. not by selling at better price a better product (toyota anyone ?).
what's wrong ?
decreasing salaries means less income and people will consume less. you don't create wealth by decreasing salaries, you create poverty.
if you want to create wealth with your company, you have to have good ideas.
Canadian jobs to Canadian pilots ? sure, keep at it. Who else would move to Canada for those wages anyway....?
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Wrong? My entire statement is wrong?
As an aside, I never cease to be amazed at how soon the "Comments" section of ANY Canadian news item points out how Stephen Harper and/or the Conservative government is to blame. It could be anything from playground safety to a triple homicide. To a great many Canadians, Stephen Harper seems to be at fault for everything. Oops, sorry, there I go again. Another WRONG opinion based on observation and research.
Dang it! I guess I'll just have to revert to rhetoric.
As an aside, I never cease to be amazed at how soon the "Comments" section of ANY Canadian news item points out how Stephen Harper and/or the Conservative government is to blame. It could be anything from playground safety to a triple homicide. To a great many Canadians, Stephen Harper seems to be at fault for everything. Oops, sorry, there I go again. Another WRONG opinion based on observation and research.
Dang it! I guess I'll just have to revert to rhetoric.
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You mean hope ya got some change left in your flood pants! The 3 above posts are restoring my faith in my fellow Canadians. The blame Steve crowd is getting on my responsible and accountable nerves!
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Toronto Star article on TFW pilots
http://torontostar.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/iphone/homepage.aspx#_article148f217c-3824-4a5b-9036-880dbf5e099b/waarticle148f217c-3824-4a5b-9036-880dbf5e099b/148f217c-3824-4a5b-9036-880dbf5e099b/2/true