Here's how to get a job in Canada
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Im confused, No pilot has ever had a successful family life in Canada, is that the jist? Well, that was completely non-sensical posting. Well done, RAM, I think we all got a good laugh at your expense tonight.
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This brings up an interesting point. Seems to me, we do have a large number of expatriate Aussies and Kiwi's. Is it easier for A/NZ pilots to get work permits for Canada? I've run into them all over the country, I know for a fact of at least 10 that work for AC
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Is it easier for A/NZ pilots to get work permits for Canada?
You only need the legal right to work in Canada if the flying you intend to do is legal.
Bootlegging, low level border hopping, flying illegals across the border and chisel charters do not require a work permit : )
Bootlegging, low level border hopping, flying illegals across the border and chisel charters do not require a work permit : )
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Quite a number of Brits used to come over each Winter with the aircraft to do flights for Skyservice ( 7-8 years ago).
It was a reciprocal arrangement with the Skyservice guys bringing aircraft over to Europe in the Summer.
Of course the unions on both sides howled and whined . The year I did it Transport Canada decided to limit the number of validations and and Skyservice paid for around 50 of us to do a course to obtain a Canadian ATPL as well as a Work permit .
It was a great experience and we loved it. The vast majority of Canadians were very welcoming and a pleasure to fly with. The aircraft were reregistered and a half-hearted attempt at a respray. They were cleared to fly two tonnes heavier than in UK ( A320) and then back down two tonnes when back home.
Of course a Canadian pilot should have first crack at a Canadian flying job but , in this case, with the aircraft moving backwards and forwards , there would have to be a lot of hiring and firing.
As the world becomes more global, perhaps it is appropriate that pilots can lead the way.
It was a reciprocal arrangement with the Skyservice guys bringing aircraft over to Europe in the Summer.
Of course the unions on both sides howled and whined . The year I did it Transport Canada decided to limit the number of validations and and Skyservice paid for around 50 of us to do a course to obtain a Canadian ATPL as well as a Work permit .
It was a great experience and we loved it. The vast majority of Canadians were very welcoming and a pleasure to fly with. The aircraft were reregistered and a half-hearted attempt at a respray. They were cleared to fly two tonnes heavier than in UK ( A320) and then back down two tonnes when back home.
Of course a Canadian pilot should have first crack at a Canadian flying job but , in this case, with the aircraft moving backwards and forwards , there would have to be a lot of hiring and firing.
As the world becomes more global, perhaps it is appropriate that pilots can lead the way.
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Your message was most interesting for in fact, this is what the Canadian regulations require. Flying commercially in Canada with a Foreign licence and an FLVC is not allowed for revenue flight under Part VII (any commercial flying).
Whomever required that you acquire a Canadian licence that year to fly in Canada was most correct. For reasons, and under circumstances that are still a mystery to me, that Regulation and it's associated Standard are not being enforced by Transport Canada Civil Aviation.
All will be fine, until the day a major incident occurs during a revenue airline flight with a pilot fielding an FLVC instead of a Canadian ATPL, and then questions will be asked; insurance companies will question the legitimacy of the pilot and the lawyers will have a field day......
Ref: CAR 705.106 and the Standard 725.106(6)
Whomever required that you acquire a Canadian licence that year to fly in Canada was most correct. For reasons, and under circumstances that are still a mystery to me, that Regulation and it's associated Standard are not being enforced by Transport Canada Civil Aviation.
All will be fine, until the day a major incident occurs during a revenue airline flight with a pilot fielding an FLVC instead of a Canadian ATPL, and then questions will be asked; insurance companies will question the legitimacy of the pilot and the lawyers will have a field day......
Ref: CAR 705.106 and the Standard 725.106(6)
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Canada has a long history of having people fly around for a living who did not even have commercial licence etc. I know of one foreign well heeled guy who operated an unofficial charter business for years.
I recall one dubious character operated chisel charters, mixed with smugglers, and was repeatedly investigated without ever a charge that I'm aware of. He was also an accident going to happen. He also employed pilots and I don't think he would have worried about any licence but that's speculation.
Then there are the semi professional operators where its a very gray line between what requires an operator certificate and what does not. You could be an experienced private pilot and have an official job with them.
When I first arrived, one of my first job offers (that I turned down) was a "government Job" and it was not in Canada. At the time, they were actively recruiting and their same sub-contractors are still at it in various locations.
Most of that sort of contract work has been taken over by more legitimate operators with a lot more official cover.
Going up the ladder, if you convert or obtain a Canadian Commercial Licence, that gives you the qualifications required but a work permit, is something else and in some operations, its not exactly the first thing that needs checking.
Operators if they can't locate a Canadian to do the job, well its very easy to hire a foreigner and all it takes is one motivated person with a good relationship with the local politicians and the local manpower office.
That bit of paper can be signed in a flash and have give you a legal work permit for that employer which means he has a slavery licence. Getting out of bad operator is difficult. That means finding another right set of factors and getting another bit of paper. Not impossible but you would be wise to make your first choice a good one.
On the whole, your flying career in Canada either short term or long term can be very easy to kick start.
Ignore all the negative crap you see here written for their own reasons that don't add up.
Then there is marriage to a Canadian. Not that difficult and easy to establish, also easy to get a work permit while the application is being processed. It can be screwed up, you could be asked to leave but bonafide marriages will probably not have a problem.
Then there is that under 30 one year work permit that Commonwealth countries share. Very easy to get and its a start. For Australians, it may well be easier to get a job in Alaska then Canada as the Aus-USA agreement is better than the Canadian US agreement.
Getting qualified is a breeze if you have experience. The Theory exam is simple, the INRAT is probably the most difficult one of the lot anyone will face and all it takes is study. It is very different to the US instrument written and very also different to anything in most other countries.
In time, you change from a visitor on a work permit to a landed immigrant and or citizen. It's just time.
Then there are employer requirements. I can think of a number of employers who operate in multiple countries and transferring an employee to Canada is again fairly easy.
So, don't believe all the negative posts. There is however a group who don't like foreigners and if you check into them, you find that the most aggressive are actually immigrants themselves.
My view is that Canada is a great place to fly, a great place to visit but it's one country where many immigrants are bitterly disappointed and return to their former countries.
Canada has serious problems of corruption in various forms that Canadians take for granted and accept but which foreigners know does not exist in their own countries to the same extent.
The trouble is, once you move to Canada, you can end up being trapped here and unable to ever leave as a result of that corruption and lawlessness that makes Canada in some respects a less than third world country.
To be blunt, I wish I had never set foot in Canada and would leave in a flash and tear up my Canadian passport with glee.
There are lots of places in the world where you can fly for a living and have adventure.
Canada has its own unique aviation that you won't see anywhere else. For those reasons, if you come here, seek out that adventure which means getting a float rating, float experience etc that you are unlikely to get anywhere else.
That will give you a life time of memories and experience that you won't get anywhere else. Moving to another country can be intimidating and stressful but don't even think about sending a resume first. If you want to do it, buy a ticket and get on a plane and the rest will work out for you.
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I recall one dubious character operated chisel charters, mixed with smugglers, and was repeatedly investigated without ever a charge that I'm aware of. He was also an accident going to happen. He also employed pilots and I don't think he would have worried about any licence but that's speculation.
Then there are the semi professional operators where its a very gray line between what requires an operator certificate and what does not. You could be an experienced private pilot and have an official job with them.
When I first arrived, one of my first job offers (that I turned down) was a "government Job" and it was not in Canada. At the time, they were actively recruiting and their same sub-contractors are still at it in various locations.
Most of that sort of contract work has been taken over by more legitimate operators with a lot more official cover.
Going up the ladder, if you convert or obtain a Canadian Commercial Licence, that gives you the qualifications required but a work permit, is something else and in some operations, its not exactly the first thing that needs checking.
Operators if they can't locate a Canadian to do the job, well its very easy to hire a foreigner and all it takes is one motivated person with a good relationship with the local politicians and the local manpower office.
That bit of paper can be signed in a flash and have give you a legal work permit for that employer which means he has a slavery licence. Getting out of bad operator is difficult. That means finding another right set of factors and getting another bit of paper. Not impossible but you would be wise to make your first choice a good one.
On the whole, your flying career in Canada either short term or long term can be very easy to kick start.
Ignore all the negative crap you see here written for their own reasons that don't add up.
Then there is marriage to a Canadian. Not that difficult and easy to establish, also easy to get a work permit while the application is being processed. It can be screwed up, you could be asked to leave but bonafide marriages will probably not have a problem.
Then there is that under 30 one year work permit that Commonwealth countries share. Very easy to get and its a start. For Australians, it may well be easier to get a job in Alaska then Canada as the Aus-USA agreement is better than the Canadian US agreement.
Getting qualified is a breeze if you have experience. The Theory exam is simple, the INRAT is probably the most difficult one of the lot anyone will face and all it takes is study. It is very different to the US instrument written and very also different to anything in most other countries.
In time, you change from a visitor on a work permit to a landed immigrant and or citizen. It's just time.
Then there are employer requirements. I can think of a number of employers who operate in multiple countries and transferring an employee to Canada is again fairly easy.
So, don't believe all the negative posts. There is however a group who don't like foreigners and if you check into them, you find that the most aggressive are actually immigrants themselves.
My view is that Canada is a great place to fly, a great place to visit but it's one country where many immigrants are bitterly disappointed and return to their former countries.
Canada has serious problems of corruption in various forms that Canadians take for granted and accept but which foreigners know does not exist in their own countries to the same extent.
The trouble is, once you move to Canada, you can end up being trapped here and unable to ever leave as a result of that corruption and lawlessness that makes Canada in some respects a less than third world country.
To be blunt, I wish I had never set foot in Canada and would leave in a flash and tear up my Canadian passport with glee.
There are lots of places in the world where you can fly for a living and have adventure.
Canada has its own unique aviation that you won't see anywhere else. For those reasons, if you come here, seek out that adventure which means getting a float rating, float experience etc that you are unlikely to get anywhere else.
That will give you a life time of memories and experience that you won't get anywhere else. Moving to another country can be intimidating and stressful but don't even think about sending a resume first. If you want to do it, buy a ticket and get on a plane and the rest will work out for you.
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Ram, lot of bitterness there. If you are so unhappy then go.
Marriages fail in all walks of life.
This is a very international profession as we all know. As long as people are following the rules, all good.
Marriages fail in all walks of life.
This is a very international profession as we all know. As long as people are following the rules, all good.
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Well having read Ram's post several times I do not see much in his opinion of working in Canada that is all that far off the mark.
I also was a landed immigrant and have worked in many countries, Ram failed to mention that corruption is to be found most anywhere on earth.
I do however agree that the level of corruption found in Canada with regard to TCCA is equal to or worse than that to be found in third world countries, in fact I feel safer dealing with third world country regulators than the Canadian regulator.
Oh, by the way I am giving my opinion using my real name and not under the cover of anonymity.
I also was a landed immigrant and have worked in many countries, Ram failed to mention that corruption is to be found most anywhere on earth.
I do however agree that the level of corruption found in Canada with regard to TCCA is equal to or worse than that to be found in third world countries, in fact I feel safer dealing with third world country regulators than the Canadian regulator.
Oh, by the way I am giving my opinion using my real name and not under the cover of anonymity.
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Which corruptions?
As Canada ranked 9th out 0f 177 in the corruption index for 2013, there might be some, but I'm curious to know where and what? (The PMO? 
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Which corruptions?
As this group are mainly aviation people a lot of whom either earn their living in aviation or are planning on doing so, which means they will have to work under the approval of TCCA.
How efficient is TCCA in the performance of their duties which is regulating the industry to the betterment of the end users...Us?
What services do they perform efficiently and far more important in a fair and equal manner across the board to all citizens whom they are sworn to serve fairly?
I won't address the minefield of legal gobblygook that the CARS are, first we should look at finding out how efficient they are to deal with....say for instance the process of applying for and getting approval of an Operating Certificate to start a new business.
Once we get into the process of applying for approval to hold an Operating Certificate we then can link CARS into the process and see how that works in their decisions.
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You can pretty much apply this to the US as well except for #4 (unless you want to throw Alaska in there).
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You don't seem to have a clue so here is a brief reality check for all male pilots thinking of coming to Canada.
1. Canada has "Male Sharia Law", 97% of all custody decisions are given to mothers regardless of if she happens to be a cocaine addict and the most violent psychopath since Homolka was treated as a victim.
In Ottawa a woman stabbed her sleeping husband in the chest and got off claiming without a shred of evidence that she was a victim of abuse.
In Ottawa the Supreme Court of Canada let a woman off who hired a hitman to kill her husband. The Supreme court without a shred of evidence claimed the police failed in their duty to treat her as a victim.
I know a lot of pilots whose careers were destroyed by our Canada's corrupt family court system that has NO legal rights for children or fathers.
The vast majority of children now grow up without a father. Around 25% of birth certificates do not have a father named or the wrong dummy placed there.
Courts routinely order fathers to pay more support than their income. Once orders are made they become next to impossible to vary or cancel.
Across Canada most police forces arrest and charge male victims of domestic violence which means, if you make such a claim it must be false.
That means most intelligent men will not report domestic violence to police and, their women know that which encourages women to kill and or assault their male partners with impunity.
If you are a male thinking of coming to Canada, do not have children in Canada, if you do, you may be trapped here permanently like a very large number of immigrant males who thought Canada's snowy white landscape reflected a society based on the Rule of Law.
It's not, its based on what ever women want women get and men are regarded as sperm donors, support payors and indentured slaves.
Once in that system, you are unlikely to ever leave Canada.
That's a reality check that I think most male pilots who are divorced fathers will concur with.
Fathers / Pilots in the UK have it even worse, as do many in some states of the USA. Canada however copies the legal trends in the USA. Australians think theirs is bad but don't know how lucky they really are compared to say the UK and Canada.
I've lost count of the number of pilots who have had their careers destroyed by the Canadian Family Court System and Ontario, has one of the worst reputations. There is almost no point in going to court in Ontario, the decisions are generally, with some rare exceptions predictable on gender.
That's enough for this post on this forum....
You don't seem to have a clue so here is a brief reality check for all male pilots thinking of coming to Canada.
1. Canada has "Male Sharia Law", 97% of all custody decisions are given to mothers regardless of if she happens to be a cocaine addict and the most violent psychopath since Homolka was treated as a victim.
In Ottawa a woman stabbed her sleeping husband in the chest and got off claiming without a shred of evidence that she was a victim of abuse.
In Ottawa the Supreme Court of Canada let a woman off who hired a hitman to kill her husband. The Supreme court without a shred of evidence claimed the police failed in their duty to treat her as a victim.
I know a lot of pilots whose careers were destroyed by our Canada's corrupt family court system that has NO legal rights for children or fathers.
The vast majority of children now grow up without a father. Around 25% of birth certificates do not have a father named or the wrong dummy placed there.
Courts routinely order fathers to pay more support than their income. Once orders are made they become next to impossible to vary or cancel.
Across Canada most police forces arrest and charge male victims of domestic violence which means, if you make such a claim it must be false.
That means most intelligent men will not report domestic violence to police and, their women know that which encourages women to kill and or assault their male partners with impunity.
If you are a male thinking of coming to Canada, do not have children in Canada, if you do, you may be trapped here permanently like a very large number of immigrant males who thought Canada's snowy white landscape reflected a society based on the Rule of Law.
It's not, its based on what ever women want women get and men are regarded as sperm donors, support payors and indentured slaves.
Once in that system, you are unlikely to ever leave Canada.
That's a reality check that I think most male pilots who are divorced fathers will concur with.
Fathers / Pilots in the UK have it even worse, as do many in some states of the USA. Canada however copies the legal trends in the USA. Australians think theirs is bad but don't know how lucky they really are compared to say the UK and Canada.
I've lost count of the number of pilots who have had their careers destroyed by the Canadian Family Court System and Ontario, has one of the worst reputations. There is almost no point in going to court in Ontario, the decisions are generally, with some rare exceptions predictable on gender.
That's enough for this post on this forum....
@Ramjet555...
It's funny how you just happen to mention Ontario and how it is bent backwards to fvck the men...
However my sister lives in Ontario and is divorced from a scum bag that has not paid any child support in more than two years and my sister as had no help from the judicial system. Meanwhile the scum bag lives the life of a millionaire and she as to struggle to make it.
However my sister lives in Ontario and is divorced from a scum bag that has not paid any child support in more than two years and my sister as had no help from the judicial system. Meanwhile the scum bag lives the life of a millionaire and she as to struggle to make it.
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@Ramjet,
Life is what you make of it. I would love to hear the other side of the story, because you sound like a real treat. So typical, nothing is ever my fault, the world screwed me, I have nothing because of other people screwing me, blah blah blah. Did someone hold a shotgun to your head and say go to canada? Did someone hold a shotgun to your head and say marry her? Did someone hold a shotgun to your head and say procreate with her? Unlikely, as these are YOUR life choices, you made your bed, now sleep in it and stop your whining. It's hilarious how you try to defend your position, were you present during ANY of the situations that you mentioned. Unless they were your cases then I severely doubt it.
My sister is also a lifetime resident of Ontario and a spectacular mother who can barely make ends meet while her ex that left 8yrs ago with 4 and 6 yr olds, is continually on vacations and buying properties and toys, and the kids (now 14 and 12) get very very little from their father besides a Christmas and birthday gift. Why? Because he wasn't earning much at the time of their official separation, can it be revisited? Nope, courts have ruled, father gets a clean bill. For every pathetic story you tell of a father "getting screwed", there are probably 10 mothers being left with little or nothing to take care of the kids, being abused physically, emotionally and financially and no means of recourse because the father is a total deadbeat or just simply a degenerate. Maybe you fit into one of the latter categories, take a look in the mirror!
Life is what you make of it. I would love to hear the other side of the story, because you sound like a real treat. So typical, nothing is ever my fault, the world screwed me, I have nothing because of other people screwing me, blah blah blah. Did someone hold a shotgun to your head and say go to canada? Did someone hold a shotgun to your head and say marry her? Did someone hold a shotgun to your head and say procreate with her? Unlikely, as these are YOUR life choices, you made your bed, now sleep in it and stop your whining. It's hilarious how you try to defend your position, were you present during ANY of the situations that you mentioned. Unless they were your cases then I severely doubt it.
My sister is also a lifetime resident of Ontario and a spectacular mother who can barely make ends meet while her ex that left 8yrs ago with 4 and 6 yr olds, is continually on vacations and buying properties and toys, and the kids (now 14 and 12) get very very little from their father besides a Christmas and birthday gift. Why? Because he wasn't earning much at the time of their official separation, can it be revisited? Nope, courts have ruled, father gets a clean bill. For every pathetic story you tell of a father "getting screwed", there are probably 10 mothers being left with little or nothing to take care of the kids, being abused physically, emotionally and financially and no means of recourse because the father is a total deadbeat or just simply a degenerate. Maybe you fit into one of the latter categories, take a look in the mirror!
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RAM, how cute, you put a link to my profile 
I am born Canadian, was married, have kids, and given my aviation history have far too many friends who have also had failed marriages. Your 'warnings' have nothing to do with aviation, let alone a rational, unbiased view of Canadian Family Law.
As far as TC being corrupt, I think inefficient is a better term. I've yet to see brown envelopes passing hands on a daily basis to get things done. I agree that the politicos in charge who allow the regional variations in interpretation to continue should be summarily fired. Appalling. But again, incompetence isn't really corruption.
I've yet to see another country I prefer: to live, to work, or to fly
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aviatorhi: agreed. Important points.
I for one am happy that TC has not relented to the pressure to reduce the minimums for a Canadian Instructor Rating as well. What we sorely lack though, is a reasonable way to get the new guys some experience.
I am born Canadian, was married, have kids, and given my aviation history have far too many friends who have also had failed marriages.
Your 'warnings' have nothing to do with aviation, let alone a rational, unbiased view of Canadian Family Law.As far as TC being corrupt, I think inefficient is a better term. I've yet to see brown envelopes passing hands on a daily basis to get things done. I agree that the politicos in charge who allow the regional variations in interpretation to continue should be summarily fired. Appalling. But again, incompetence isn't really corruption.
I've yet to see another country I prefer: to live, to work, or to fly
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aviatorhi: agreed. Important points.
I for one am happy that TC has not relented to the pressure to reduce the minimums for a Canadian Instructor Rating as well. What we sorely lack though, is a reasonable way to get the new guys some experience.
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I for one am happy that TC has not relented to the pressure to reduce the minimums for a Canadian Instructor Rating as well.
What we sorely lack though, is a reasonable way to get the new guys some experience.
It is a pilot training program aimed at young people who are in the process of becoming commercial pilots.
There is a big time period of building time and flying experience between the PPL and the CPL, it is that time frame I will be aiming at with a program that corrects any poor training that the student has been subject to and also will re-teach the basics if needed.
Once the student reaches a high level of flying skills they will then be able to rent an airplane at a rate two thirds the rate available at most FTU's.
Basically they will be able to build time at a lower cost with advanced flight training and mentoring provided during the process, so that when they start the dual training required for the CPL they will in a lot of cases be able to teach the instructor that was approved by TC.
The airplanes that I will start with are a home-built PA11 replica and a Thatcher CX4.
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I also can give marriage counseling to pilots who lose their way in their love life.
