WestJet lease of bigger plane spurs long-haul talk
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Love it too, been gone for 4 years now but having spent many years in blue and teal I am still very proud of it.
Whoops just spilt some koolaid raising my glass in a toast!!
Whoops just spilt some koolaid raising my glass in a toast!!
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Look into my eyezzzzzz...you are getting veeerrryyy sslleeepppyyy...
Frik! You people are brainwashed! Wake up! Your long haul flying is slipping away while you stand around and admire the decals! On a tail that isn't yours!
Frik! You people are brainwashed! Wake up! Your long haul flying is slipping away while you stand around and admire the decals! On a tail that isn't yours!
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Q4 YOY 100%+ net profit increase, short term lease to test / push the market, aggressive network expansion through interline coupled with organic growth, contraversial deferral of new B737NG deliveries with a very loyal vendor, healthy airline in a shi**y industry.... Yeah you're right, lets focus on long haul flying from a narrowwwwww self servingggggg perspectivvvvve.....Marverick to Iceman out.
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+1K ^
And Left Coaster et al: I suspect u don't work here do u? So why do u care what we do here at this company? U seem to be very agitated about this whole lease thing, and you don't understand at all what is going on over here. So why are u and your ilk so openly negative about this?
And Left Coaster et al: I suspect u don't work here do u? So why do u care what we do here at this company? U seem to be very agitated about this whole lease thing, and you don't understand at all what is going on over here. So why are u and your ilk so openly negative about this?
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Bugger Hawaii! And bugger that 752!
If it's aggressive expansion they're after, how about a fleet of new 777s serving London, Manchester, Paris, Brussels and Frankfurt.
If it's aggressive expansion they're after, how about a fleet of new 777s serving London, Manchester, Paris, Brussels and Frankfurt.
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As one West Jetter said to me, "A 757 will take a lot of the pucker factor out of the last 100 miles on HNL flights",{ He was then grabbed and given a large Kool Aid by management to correct his attitude. }
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"Unqualified Crap" So a fellow pilot who is in fact senior to you and is also a CP is "Unqualified" to make a rather funny observation? Lighten up for Gods sake!
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I have a heck of a lot of colleagues at WS and to a person, the ones I've spoken with casually, no one is thrilled about seeing company routes being flown another company. Of course they are trying to be positive about how it diminishes the risk to the company, but to say that anyone is thrilled about it seems pretty off the mark.
WS management are smart but they aren't saints. And this "****ty industry" is only going to get ****tier with oil headed on the rise again, bigtime. Anything that can reduce costs WILL be done, and there's a whole bunch of 737 drivers that just might be surprised to find that a "temporary, seasonal, experimental" etc etc move somehow never quite goes away and actually gets expanded.
This isn't fear-mongering, just basic history and economics.
As an aside I can't really say I would consider the 757 a big airplane, it's a slightly bigger narrowbody than the 737 but that's about it. I would think the operating costs would be disproportionately higher than a NG, what with less efficient engines. I do think it (the '57) is the sexiest airliner ever made, for sure.
WS management are smart but they aren't saints. And this "****ty industry" is only going to get ****tier with oil headed on the rise again, bigtime. Anything that can reduce costs WILL be done, and there's a whole bunch of 737 drivers that just might be surprised to find that a "temporary, seasonal, experimental" etc etc move somehow never quite goes away and actually gets expanded.
This isn't fear-mongering, just basic history and economics.
As an aside I can't really say I would consider the 757 a big airplane, it's a slightly bigger narrowbody than the 737 but that's about it. I would think the operating costs would be disproportionately higher than a NG, what with less efficient engines. I do think it (the '57) is the sexiest airliner ever made, for sure.
If you want to keep your job
your airline has to make money. The best paid pilots in the USA right now are FEDEX, SWA and UPS, companies that have always made money. (Both FEDEX and UPS sub charter when they need temporary lift, don't know about SWA but pretty sure the would it they had to)
If Westjet pilots want a long term job that pays well it is in the pilots interest for the management to do what it takes to keep a route making money. Obviously if they could do it with the equipment in house they would as it would make more money for the company.
Can you tell me one profitable airline that went bust? I can list you dozens of unprofitable ones that no longer have any pilot jobs.
It may come as a shock to AC pilots, but airlines are no longer cartels that don't have to worry about minor details like being a business.
If I worked for Westjet my biggest concerns would be the first the company makes a profit, second it manages growth in a reasonable way. I would rather they bring in some lift then run a route that can't make money just to keep a few jobs going.
The last thing I'd do is listen to an AC pilot. It is in their interest for WJ to go bust.
If Westjet pilots want a long term job that pays well it is in the pilots interest for the management to do what it takes to keep a route making money. Obviously if they could do it with the equipment in house they would as it would make more money for the company.
Can you tell me one profitable airline that went bust? I can list you dozens of unprofitable ones that no longer have any pilot jobs.
It may come as a shock to AC pilots, but airlines are no longer cartels that don't have to worry about minor details like being a business.
If I worked for Westjet my biggest concerns would be the first the company makes a profit, second it manages growth in a reasonable way. I would rather they bring in some lift then run a route that can't make money just to keep a few jobs going.
The last thing I'd do is listen to an AC pilot. It is in their interest for WJ to go bust.
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Not sure if that's aimed at me, but for what it's worth I don't work for AC, and never have. I have no interest in WS going bust, and I highly doubt anyone at AC wishes this either.
Every airline that is profitable...is, right up until it isn't. That wasn't the point being discussed. Only that the idea that everyone flying at WestJet is just thrilled to bits that another company has painted a WestJet logo on their airplane, is not quite accurate. Nor is celebrating the fact a great idea. It's good the company is conservative, but it's step down a perilous road when you begin outsourcing your own operation.
Every airline that is profitable...is, right up until it isn't. That wasn't the point being discussed. Only that the idea that everyone flying at WestJet is just thrilled to bits that another company has painted a WestJet logo on their airplane, is not quite accurate. Nor is celebrating the fact a great idea. It's good the company is conservative, but it's step down a perilous road when you begin outsourcing your own operation.
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Sadly, NOLIMIT, there is no way to win the argument or come to any sort of agreement...the propaganda is believed and repeated day after day and the rest of us non believers know nothing! 
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Why so sad? Some sort of need to win every argument?
Damn right we are profitable...and have been for all but 2 quarters in the last 15 years. I think that just may be representative of a trend...
Propaganda? Do you know what that word means? The reason that WestJet employee's defend their company is that they are treated well and that management follows through on their promises for the most part. It isn't perfect but it's pretty damn good and those who have been around awhile know and appreciate it.
The 757 has been chocked full...making money...adding to the 1.2 billion we have in the bank. I think I can sleep at night without worrying that big bad management is out to screw us.
Why so sad? Some sort of need to win every argument?
Damn right we are profitable...and have been for all but 2 quarters in the last 15 years. I think that just may be representative of a trend...
Propaganda? Do you know what that word means? The reason that WestJet employee's defend their company is that they are treated well and that management follows through on their promises for the most part. It isn't perfect but it's pretty damn good and those who have been around awhile know and appreciate it.
The 757 has been chocked full...making money...adding to the 1.2 billion we have in the bank. I think I can sleep at night without worrying that big bad management is out to screw us.
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hi royalterrace,
lol Didn't realize we were arguing...as I said I have many colleagues at WestJet and I wish them well. But those colleagues are more apprehensive, than pleased about your company logo appearing on another company's aircraft. There's not really much of an argument there, just stating a fact. It's nice you see it the 757 as a positive.
Sad? I'm pleased that your company is doing well, as is my own. (925 million USD net profit for 1st half fiscal 2010 so far - the full year results should be interesting). Hopefully with oil set to go through the roof again it can continue.
lol Didn't realize we were arguing...as I said I have many colleagues at WestJet and I wish them well. But those colleagues are more apprehensive, than pleased about your company logo appearing on another company's aircraft. There's not really much of an argument there, just stating a fact. It's nice you see it the 757 as a positive.
Sad? I'm pleased that your company is doing well, as is my own. (925 million USD net profit for 1st half fiscal 2010 so far - the full year results should be interesting). Hopefully with oil set to go through the roof again it can continue.
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"Unqualified Crap" So a fellow pilot who is in fact senior to you and is also a CP is "Unqualified" to make a rather funny observation? Lighten up for Gods sake!
"senior to me" really I didn't realize this forum had a seniority list.
As to your qualifications, none of that is verifiable on an anonymous forum.
You was the one making derogatory statements toward another pilot group and questioning their professionalism and decision making skills. Hello pot, it is the kettle calling.
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How about the the CEO at Rolls Royce who when asked why he only flew the Atlantic in four engined aircraft replied' "My dear chap, they just dont make any with five", so would you like to rail at him for having a sense of humour? I could explain to you that I have way more time ETOPS/EROPS than many on this forum, but I think I will just stick to "Lighten up for Gods sake!"
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"Sadly, NOLIMIT, there is no way to win the argument or come to any sort of agreement...the propaganda is believed and repeated day after day and the rest of us non believers know nothing!"
Looks like the stock market is on the side of the believers my friends.
Looks like the stock market is on the side of the believers my friends.
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All I can say is that at any company I worked for in canada, or at my present for that matter, had some other pilots started flying our prime route on bigger aircraft than we ever flew, nobody would be tolerating it, let alone be happy about it.
Go figure.
Listen I give all props to my friends at WJ. I know they are happy there. Maybe I would be too if I were there. But I can't imagine that being an easy pill to swallow. We all want to have the chance to fly the bigger planes on the best routes. Its human nature. Yes, I get that it might be better for the company's bottom line. But I know I wouldn't like it. I'd be biting my lip.
Damn. Sorry guys.
Go figure.
Listen I give all props to my friends at WJ. I know they are happy there. Maybe I would be too if I were there. But I can't imagine that being an easy pill to swallow. We all want to have the chance to fly the bigger planes on the best routes. Its human nature. Yes, I get that it might be better for the company's bottom line. But I know I wouldn't like it. I'd be biting my lip.
Damn. Sorry guys.
