How many Canadians find Pprune their choice to communicate?
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How many Canadians find Pprune their choice to communicate?
The discussions on the Air Canada fiasco got me to wondering how many Canadians come here rather than use the Canadian forum?
And why?
And why?
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I have been a devotee of Danny's site for over eleven years and read it with interest daily. Very occasionally I contribute.
I like it for its wide international coverage especially the contributions from the Brits and the expats - good stuff from those who have done (or are doing) flying that was beyond my experience. The tech stuff is great.
I also read AVWeb (if that's the forum to which you referred) and used to read the ACPA one. Now that it's gone and AVWeb is heavily censored I guess we have to thank Danny and his mods for their tolerance allowing free speech albeit under anonymous ID's. The bitter nature of many posts on the Age 60 topic must amuse those outside Canada but one does not have to read it, does one?
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I like it for its wide international coverage especially the contributions from the Brits and the expats - good stuff from those who have done (or are doing) flying that was beyond my experience. The tech stuff is great.
I also read AVWeb (if that's the forum to which you referred) and used to read the ACPA one. Now that it's gone and AVWeb is heavily censored I guess we have to thank Danny and his mods for their tolerance allowing free speech albeit under anonymous ID's. The bitter nature of many posts on the Age 60 topic must amuse those outside Canada but one does not have to read it, does one?
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Idle Thrust, AV WEBB and AV CANADA are two totally different sites. Av Canada lost me some time ago, they are PC and self rightous to the point of being totally absurd, to call Chuck{A man and pilot I truly respect}, a racist when his folks were here thousands of years before us is just one example of their bloody stupidity,I often dont see things the way Brits do but they do understand frank discussion, after all they did invent "Speakers Corner" {And if in London its the greatest entertaiment on a sunny afternoon!} So to answer the question, yes, as a Canuck I use PPrune.
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There are actually quite a few other Canadian aviation forums out there as well that I contribute to from time to time. Generally, I don't get too involved in the more heated discussions so haven't been directly impacted when threads are locked or deleted (here or elsewhere). However, all forums have some level of moderation and even here at PPRuNe there are some sections that are moderated quite closely ... and I understand how that can be a necessity at times.
Truly, I haven't seen that happen very often here in the Canada section but I am sure that we get checked up on from time to time in order to ensure that we play nice.
For me, I will continue to make contributions to topics that are of interest to me or when I am able to share information in answer to questions that others might pose.
Truly, I haven't seen that happen very often here in the Canada section but I am sure that we get checked up on from time to time in order to ensure that we play nice.
For me, I will continue to make contributions to topics that are of interest to me or when I am able to share information in answer to questions that others might pose.
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I pretty much gave up on Av Canada for the same reasons as you Clunk Driver. Some of the statements about flight manouvers from the "instructors" left me baffled as well. There is a lot of good posts and good posters also but the rest of the crap is too over the top for my tastes.
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"Communicate?"
Have you become so accustomed to this that it can still hold that definition? This isn't communication, it's childish bickering that accomplishes nothing. Three forums now have seen it that way, when will the message be heard? Defending one's position is one thing, hurling abuse and insults is another.
Would you read these posts over the PA on your next trip? Not a chance.
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Have you become so accustomed to this that it can still hold that definition? This isn't communication, it's childish bickering that accomplishes nothing. Three forums now have seen it that way, when will the message be heard? Defending one's position is one thing, hurling abuse and insults is another.
Would you read these posts over the PA on your next trip? Not a chance.
Jim
I had just about given up on Avcanada when the moderators started cracking down on serial abusers. There was less than a dozen frequent posters who were only interested in bating and insulting all the other posters, and who managed to derail and then ruin almost every thread. New posters were being chased away and the the site was slowly being stangled. All have now either cleaned up their acts (like Hedly) or like a typical bullies, took off when held accountable for their actions (like Cat Driver). I still like pprune for its international contributors and for the often very learned comments by folks with obvious deep qualifications in a large number of technical fields on the aircrew thread. I think it is no coincedence that these forums are heavily moderated.
Many of the other forums are pretty lame. Sadly the travesty that is the Air Canada over 60 thread is a good example of what happens when mods are MIA.
I used to post a fair amount on the pprune instructor forum but there seems to be little interest in many of the regular posters to actually post usefull information. Instead pompous gas bags pontificate on trivia or revel in there self proclaimed superior knowledge, thus there are usually only one to three new posts a day and hardly any interesting and engaging threads. The Avcanada instructor forum used to be the same way but has recently become, largely IMO due to the efforts of the mods, what I think is the best instructor forum on net.
Many of the other forums are pretty lame. Sadly the travesty that is the Air Canada over 60 thread is a good example of what happens when mods are MIA.
I used to post a fair amount on the pprune instructor forum but there seems to be little interest in many of the regular posters to actually post usefull information. Instead pompous gas bags pontificate on trivia or revel in there self proclaimed superior knowledge, thus there are usually only one to three new posts a day and hardly any interesting and engaging threads. The Avcanada instructor forum used to be the same way but has recently become, largely IMO due to the efforts of the mods, what I think is the best instructor forum on net.
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Interesting comment Big Pistons. Cat is a pretty decent guy and I never found Hedly's post to be offensive, maybe not tolerant of an opposing view but never offensive.
Actually of all the people who posted there were three I enjoyed the most. Hedly's, Cat's and yours! A few of the moderators like to steer the discussions toward their view, which is human nature of course, but in the last year it has become so blatent with so many comments deleted at times you found it hard to follow the thread.
The main reason I don't visit Av Canada is the negative atmosphere that hangs over the website. Constant whinning about pay and the "we are all going to die because flying is soooo dangerous" attitude.
Actually of all the people who posted there were three I enjoyed the most. Hedly's, Cat's and yours! A few of the moderators like to steer the discussions toward their view, which is human nature of course, but in the last year it has become so blatent with so many comments deleted at times you found it hard to follow the thread.
The main reason I don't visit Av Canada is the negative atmosphere that hangs over the website. Constant whinning about pay and the "we are all going to die because flying is soooo dangerous" attitude.
I think you guys take it too seriously. Internet forums are not real life, they are an alternate universe, an entity unto themselves. Nobody should ever get their shirt in a knot over something that happens in a forum, because it's just a forum. It ain't real. People can argue with you, curse at you, delete your posts, ban you...... who gives a fiddler's fart? It ain't real life.
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Jeez...how do you follow that? I was going to post about how Avcanada has dissolved into a kiddy v kiddy poop tossing forum filled with such grammatical gems such as "there" instead of "their"...or words like alot, and my favourite...loose instead of lose...that one somehow sends me to the edge of reason... (cmon guys and girls did you actually go to your English 10 classes?) and much more...and I agree with those postings above about the instant and vociferous shouts of rage if a post doesn't meet with approval...but hey they did jump on the racists pretty quickly when that got out of hand a while back. Suffice it to say that what I witnessed on Avcanada is intrinsically what seems to be wrong with aviation in the old country...pure hatred of those who might have more that oneself...I bailed out some time ago...maybe if the maturity level of the brats who wrecked it grew a bit I would go back...
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Well said Left Coaster, My good lady and I recentley got a chuckle out of one Av Can poster slaming me for pointing out that we made more $ flying our little twin the we were ever paid for driving the heavy stuff, the next e mail we recieved was from the same poster looking for a job! He even stated that he would work for less than my present F/O! Im sure he is still out there bitching about his lot in life. By the way, dont get too critical of spelin/grama/, my generation hired ladies to do the spelling/punctuating, also the two finger typin system aint very fast! Yours in jest, Clunck.
filled with such grammatical gems such as "there" instead of "their"...or words like alot, and my favourite...loose instead of lose...that one somehow sends me to the edge of reason...
hey they did jump on the racists pretty quickly
I still don't see why you guys can't just ignore the stuff you don't like. If a jet-flying moderator calls me a racist and I know I'm not, why should I give a sh*t about what he thinks? Arguing with moderators is a complete waste of time, so I'd ignore him and move on.
It's not the mental midgets that don't know the difference between a hangar and a hangar that are screwing the place up, it's the numbskulls that come in frothing at the mouth and talking about lawsuits and libel, two words that cause the ownership and the moderatorship to tremble in their wee widdle booties.
The place would be better if the lot of you came back and carried on where you left off. It's only a forum, you do have the option of reading a post, deciding the author is an idiot, and moving to the next one. Works for me.
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I like PPrune a lot. It's my only option. We don't have a union here, nor a pilots' association, in the sandbox.
After I retired from AC, the three amigos running the OAC site declined to allow me to continue participating there, so...
PPrune is it!
It is a well moderated site, not too PC, as there are more truths to the issues than Trudeu's "just society" would allow the typical Canadian to comprehend. It's good for old boy contact stuff as well - I was able to re-establish contact with an old friend some years ago and that was real nice. I like to keep up as much as I can with what's happening in Canada. I wish there was more participation and posting actually!
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After I retired from AC, the three amigos running the OAC site declined to allow me to continue participating there, so...
PPrune is it!
It is a well moderated site, not too PC, as there are more truths to the issues than Trudeu's "just society" would allow the typical Canadian to comprehend. It's good for old boy contact stuff as well - I was able to re-establish contact with an old friend some years ago and that was real nice. I like to keep up as much as I can with what's happening in Canada. I wish there was more participation and posting actually!
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To the original query
PPrune is a great spot for "lurking" for Canadian Pilots who want to keep aware of the international scene. It also has some great information and tips on specific aircraft and destinations (along with a lot of "heads-up" material). For airline employees in Canada, there are better forums for information and participation on current topics.
Short answer. I consider PPrune is a supplemental resource, not a primary.
Short answer. I consider PPrune is a supplemental resource, not a primary.
PPrune is a great spot for "lurking" for Canadian Pilots who want to keep aware of the international scene. It also has some great information and tips on specific aircraft and destinations (along with a lot of "heads-up" material). For airline employees in Canada, there are better forums for information and participation on current topics.
Short answer. I consider PPrune is a supplemental resource, not a primary.
Short answer. I consider PPrune is a supplemental resource, not a primary.
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I wonder how many Canadian pilots who have flown for many years in Europe and the rest of the world are attracted to Pprune for the simple reason they relate to these areas of the world from having worked there?
And like me have lost touch with the Canadian scene?
And like me have lost touch with the Canadian scene?
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Hi Chuck.
Actually, I viewed the ACPA forum before they pulled the plug. We could have probably kept the site going, and all benefited from some of the good threads about layovers, cell phone plans, computer stuff, etc...except that they closed it down because of the 60+ stuff. Used to be seniority that made people's blood boil...now it's a bunch a hangers-on that benefited from those ahead retiring, and now want their cake...and mine too.
It was easy to avoid though;; I just ignored those threads.
Lo and behold I come back to pPrune after a 3 year absence to find Captain Hall et al polluting this forum as well. Had I my way, we would have just said the retired guys no longer have access to the ACPA Forum. Or set up a "Retired" section and locked everything else. The benefit of having a few decent, retired good posters was far outweighed by some of the baiting of the retired guys with no life now, who could sit around on the Forum and cast hooks for Ray to use in court.
So, while I would have to say pPrune has only been put back in to my favorites because my union's forum was closed down, after only a few days, I am disappointed with most of the content on this forum. People hiding behind a "handle" are unusually verbose about things. I actually miss EzBoard. With people having to use their real names, it seemed a little more gentlemanly...even with a few grammar nazis like there seem to be here.
Actually, I viewed the ACPA forum before they pulled the plug. We could have probably kept the site going, and all benefited from some of the good threads about layovers, cell phone plans, computer stuff, etc...except that they closed it down because of the 60+ stuff. Used to be seniority that made people's blood boil...now it's a bunch a hangers-on that benefited from those ahead retiring, and now want their cake...and mine too.
It was easy to avoid though;; I just ignored those threads.
Lo and behold I come back to pPrune after a 3 year absence to find Captain Hall et al polluting this forum as well. Had I my way, we would have just said the retired guys no longer have access to the ACPA Forum. Or set up a "Retired" section and locked everything else. The benefit of having a few decent, retired good posters was far outweighed by some of the baiting of the retired guys with no life now, who could sit around on the Forum and cast hooks for Ray to use in court.
So, while I would have to say pPrune has only been put back in to my favorites because my union's forum was closed down, after only a few days, I am disappointed with most of the content on this forum. People hiding behind a "handle" are unusually verbose about things. I actually miss EzBoard. With people having to use their real names, it seemed a little more gentlemanly...even with a few grammar nazis like there seem to be here.
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Polyfier, I still read Avcanada and have noticed that most of the posters now are fairly recent ones.
A lot of the older long time posters are gone.
I guess the generation gap plays a fair bit in the changes that have taken place.
I know that I have very little in common with a lot of the pilots who are now in aviation, and therein lies most of the reasons I got tired of being involved in the discussions.
A lot of the older long time posters are gone.
I guess the generation gap plays a fair bit in the changes that have taken place.
I know that I have very little in common with a lot of the pilots who are now in aviation, and therein lies most of the reasons I got tired of being involved in the discussions.
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Hello, I would have to agree with some of the sentiments posted here. PPRUNE has some great stuff such as Aviation History and so on and many people seem to be on it because they have a real interest in, and enjoy, aviation.
Sharp contrast to the moaning, whining, snivelling bunch of ninnies that inhabit Avcanada.
I will never look at it again.
Sharp contrast to the moaning, whining, snivelling bunch of ninnies that inhabit Avcanada.
I will never look at it again.