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"Can he tell me of any country of the world which does not consider its air transport industry, be that an individual airline or a multitude of them, as part of national interests?
Exactly. This is the reason why Emirates should be kept out of Canada
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Qatar Airways CEO hits back at criticism of Gulf carriers
* Al Baker responds to comments by European airline body
* Says European airlines should "accept competition"
By Regan E. Doherty
DOHA, Feb 10 (Reuters) - Qatar Airways Chief Executive Officer Akbar Al Baker on Thursday hit back at criticism that Gulf airlines were a threat to the global aviation industry, saying European carriers should "accept competition."
Al Baker defended Gulf carriers after comments made last month by the secretary general of the Association of European Airlines, Ulrich Schulte-Strathaus, at a meeting of the International Aviation Club in Washington DC.
Schulte-Strathaus suggested Gulf airlines were run as part of a national strategy and a "vertically integrated economic chain" and in contrast to the way in which other carriers around the globe were operated.
"Can he tell me of any country of the world which does not consider its air transport industry, be that an individual airline or a multitude of them, as part of national interests? Has not the position of the U.S. consistently been to preserve the national identity and ownership of the U.S. airlines?" Al Baker said.
"The European airlines were pioneers in a large number of areas. We in the Gulf airlines community have learnt a lot from them. They should accept competition and that the customer is in the driver's seat."
The rapid expansion of Qatar Airways, Dubai's Emirates EMIRA.UL and Etihad of Abu Dhabi has unnerved older airlines and fuelled mutual accusations of protectionism. Many carriers fear Gulf-based superjumbos will drain their own hubs.
Air Canada's (ACa.TO)(ACb.TO) chief executive last year accused Emirates of wanting to "flood" Canadian skies with airline seats so it can scoop up travellers and divert them through Dubai.
"(Schulte-Strathaus's) comments weren't made off the cuff. They were made out of a deep-seated concern that the seismic shifts in the industry are being driven by forces other than market ones," David Henderson, information manager for the Association of European Airlines, told Reuters.
"European airlines' competitiveness has been severely damaged in the wake of the recession. The more we look, the more we are concerned that (Gulf carriers) are developing a business model apart from the one that we are used to, and we are asking questions about it."
Qatar, the world's largest exporter of liquefied natural gas, is building a new airport with the capacity to accommodate 50 million passengers per year.
Qatar Airways said in December it is planning to launch an initial public offering (IPO) in early 2012 after three consecutive years of profit. (Reporting by Regan E. Doherty; Editing by Jon Loades-Carter)
Exactly. This is the reason why Emirates should be kept out of Canada
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Qatar Airways CEO hits back at criticism of Gulf carriers
* Al Baker responds to comments by European airline body
* Says European airlines should "accept competition"
By Regan E. Doherty
DOHA, Feb 10 (Reuters) - Qatar Airways Chief Executive Officer Akbar Al Baker on Thursday hit back at criticism that Gulf airlines were a threat to the global aviation industry, saying European carriers should "accept competition."
Al Baker defended Gulf carriers after comments made last month by the secretary general of the Association of European Airlines, Ulrich Schulte-Strathaus, at a meeting of the International Aviation Club in Washington DC.
Schulte-Strathaus suggested Gulf airlines were run as part of a national strategy and a "vertically integrated economic chain" and in contrast to the way in which other carriers around the globe were operated.
"Can he tell me of any country of the world which does not consider its air transport industry, be that an individual airline or a multitude of them, as part of national interests? Has not the position of the U.S. consistently been to preserve the national identity and ownership of the U.S. airlines?" Al Baker said.
"The European airlines were pioneers in a large number of areas. We in the Gulf airlines community have learnt a lot from them. They should accept competition and that the customer is in the driver's seat."
The rapid expansion of Qatar Airways, Dubai's Emirates EMIRA.UL and Etihad of Abu Dhabi has unnerved older airlines and fuelled mutual accusations of protectionism. Many carriers fear Gulf-based superjumbos will drain their own hubs.
Air Canada's (ACa.TO)(ACb.TO) chief executive last year accused Emirates of wanting to "flood" Canadian skies with airline seats so it can scoop up travellers and divert them through Dubai.
"(Schulte-Strathaus's) comments weren't made off the cuff. They were made out of a deep-seated concern that the seismic shifts in the industry are being driven by forces other than market ones," David Henderson, information manager for the Association of European Airlines, told Reuters.
"European airlines' competitiveness has been severely damaged in the wake of the recession. The more we look, the more we are concerned that (Gulf carriers) are developing a business model apart from the one that we are used to, and we are asking questions about it."
Qatar, the world's largest exporter of liquefied natural gas, is building a new airport with the capacity to accommodate 50 million passengers per year.
Qatar Airways said in December it is planning to launch an initial public offering (IPO) in early 2012 after three consecutive years of profit. (Reporting by Regan E. Doherty; Editing by Jon Loades-Carter)
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Hey there Johnny767!!!
While we're at it...
Let's tell Wayne Gretzky, Neil Young, Shania Twain, Dan Akroyd, Jim Carrie,...
.... to go "eff themselves" too!!!
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While we're at it...
Let's tell Wayne Gretzky, Neil Young, Shania Twain, Dan Akroyd, Jim Carrie,...
.... to go "eff themselves" too!!!
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I have a few questions...did anyone see that Qantas has just published a significant profit (net) despite the serious increase in the Australian market recently by Emirates? Additionally, did not Qantas complain bitterly about that "attack" on their sovereign airspace by allowing EK to expand, as a potential huge loss of revenue? Why then, is Air Canada unable to readjust, and reinvent, and reposition themselves to protect the business of carrying passengers in their own market as Emirates looks to expand? Like Qantas seems to have accomplished? I would put it here that they can't and won't, preferring to simply hide behind a lobby...while whining and posturing that they are competitive already and would lose market share if Emirates were to be allowed to expand and operate more flights to Canada. It's a shameful lie...and the Harper government is believing it...In addition, have a look at the numbers reported ($$$) that will be lost as revenue and tax revenue as up to 30% more traffic will cross the US border from Canada to save up to 50% (!!!) on tickets and taxes by flying on US carriers...so what is it then? Is the policy of protecting Air Canada at all costs going to destroy the market for the Canadian consumer? I sure think its possible! Sadly those numbers are indicative of the poor handling by the government...and all that potential revenue to both AC and the taxman will be lost to the US carriers and Uncle Sam...all so Air Canada can stay afloat...maybe a shareholder or two with some guts should ask the question of Rovenescu...Just what are you playing at? The books at Qantas prove it can be done...get on with your job of growing our company and quit hiding behind the government...it's time to stop lying. 
I always find it interesting when someone with a clear vested interest in the outcome waves the finger at someone else for having the exact same thing. 
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Left Coaster and Banana Air, I wonder in view of recent events in the ME you both might like to ad any amendments to posts 405 and 406 of this thread? And do try to keep away from personel insults, thank you!
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Hiya Clunk! I will not resort to any "personel" insults nor will I insult you! The current events in the ME certainly will have some impact on some, no doubt. Nevertheless, can you tell me what it has to do with competition and level playing fields and a reluctance to open up a route or two? Now before you point out the already well covered diplomatic tussle that may (but more than likely not) be well and honestly covered in the media, I would say that the Libyan crisis and fair competition and the reluctance of the Canadian govt to allow more flights are two VERY separate issues. The media howls about dictatorships in certain middle eastern countries, but so far I don't see any valid comparisons between Libya and the same ones mentioned in one or two articles widely published...not even close is it? Ghadaffi gets what he deserves according to international standards. So as far as I am concerned there is no way to link the actions of AC, and Canada to anything now occuring in Africa.
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The fact that you compare EK in Australia with EK trying to get a foothold in Canada only demonstrates that you really don't have a very strong understanding of the industry. Yet you conveniently link situations when it suits you and ignore the ones that don't support your opinion.
Not exactly a strong position to debate from. Have you ever even lived in the Middle East or traveled to Australia? Or you are you just repeating an argument you heard someone else use that sounded clever to you. Just curious.
Not exactly a strong position to debate from. Have you ever even lived in the Middle East or traveled to Australia? Or you are you just repeating an argument you heard someone else use that sounded clever to you. Just curious.
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Wow...nolimitholdem...are you talking to me? If you are, then reread the post about QANTAS actually making a profit DESPITE EK's attack on the Autralian market. Then read (again) about how AC is howling about 2 maybe 4 new markets for BOTH UAE carriers and claiming they will lose market share...then after you have fully understood the post, try your rebuttle again. At the moment, it looks to me that you shot yourself in the foot, and emptied the whole clip before your gun cleared the holster. As for what part of the world I live in and how much I know about the airline industry? I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you! If you aren't talking to me, then have a nice day...I've played 45 holes in the last two days, and need to have a nice cold one, it's warming up here!
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Left Coaster and Banana, I gues I didnt make it clear, my last post was in reply to you guys indicating that I dont know a darn thing about the ME, I think my predictions are turning out pretty well spot on, certainly better than some of the "Experts" on the CBC,{Where do they find some of these bozos?} So just for the record here are some more predictions, the push from the various populations in North Africa and the ME will not go away, in the end the Royal Families and elite at the top of the heap in ALL the ME and North Africa will be sent packing, when? it will take time as they have the guns but happen it will, we now have the situation of one Arab country invading another and killing the citizens in a vain attempt to retain controll. When this does take place you can forget all about job security and mega orders for aircraft,{ Airbus has already worked this out by the way} the populations have had enough of mega structures and all the trapings of conspictous consumption. The fly in the ointment is of course OIL, the West just cant tell the despots and dictators to get out without security of energy supplies, even the RS Airforce contract is being questioned in the USA, interesting times for sure, lets hope that sanity will prevail, but I have my doubts on this score. Given the present and future situation do you really think that Canada should roll over and allow our strategic airlift {that would be our airlines by the way} be destroyed by what is going to finish up as a "flash in the pan", flame away all you like, in five years we can talk again.
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hey leftcoaster,
trying to sound cool with "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill ya" isn't really an argument, unless you're eleven years old. The spelling of such words as "Autralian" or "rebuttle" doesn't exactly bolster your case either, I don't generally debate with the functionally illiterate.
But, wearily, my points are thus: comparing the Australian market with the Canadian one is only displaying your ignorance to the world, as is trying to suggest that EK was only looking for the pittance in market share you suggest. Guess again. I don't know if you're just misinformed or willfully spreading nonsense and frankly, I don't care.
It's all moot anyway, for the time being. Emirates-be-gone from Canada, for now. Long may that continue. They're gonna have enough problems recruiting to man their delusions of grandeur anyway, but that's another topic for another thread.
trying to sound cool with "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill ya" isn't really an argument, unless you're eleven years old. The spelling of such words as "Autralian" or "rebuttle" doesn't exactly bolster your case either, I don't generally debate with the functionally illiterate.
But, wearily, my points are thus: comparing the Australian market with the Canadian one is only displaying your ignorance to the world, as is trying to suggest that EK was only looking for the pittance in market share you suggest. Guess again. I don't know if you're just misinformed or willfully spreading nonsense and frankly, I don't care.
It's all moot anyway, for the time being. Emirates-be-gone from Canada, for now. Long may that continue. They're gonna have enough problems recruiting to man their delusions of grandeur anyway, but that's another topic for another thread.
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Nolimit for sure...is that all ya got? Oh well, I was looking forward to a somewhat intelligent debate, but all I get is nit picking...yawn...I can get that anywhere. Guess it's off to the golf course instead, and seeing as you have me down as a teenaged idiot who knows nothing about the industry I have spent over 30 years in (so far) I suppose I'll just have to be be happy that you AC boys are all being tarred with the same Ennis brush...now THERE's an idiot...enjoy your wait for your turn at the top...
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Left Coaster, "Tarred with the same brush?", This is by no means the case in the press which I get to read, quite the opposite in fact, most I have seen do in fact point out the gulf between this fellow and the vast majority who in retirment seem to be busy with such things as restoring artifacts in one of our national museums, running "Meals on wheels" driving /flying cancer patients for treatment, running Air Cadets/ RC model club/ Gliding Club, and God knows what all. Be it as it may, enjoy your golf, if and when you do retire you may find like many that one gets far to busy to waste time hitting little white balls around a field. As has been said before , "Just cant figure out how I ever had time to work!"
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Dear Clunk...
Happily this has nothing to do with most...(the wild swings of Mr Nolimits is seemingly a personal attack...) The few who want the total 65 package now front and centre in the press spoil the hard work of those who retire and make their golden years shine by all the great things they do. I have watched my own father spend huge amounts of time volunteering and helping those less fortunate after he retired (37 years in the business) My utmost respect goes to those who take on extra duties after a long and excellent career in aviation. The petty mumblings of those who seek to climb over others for their own personal gain (or just to try to feel superior) get no respect from me and many others feel the same. My hat is off to you and those who deserve the respect for thier quiet and wonderful work. Happy days..and I had a great time on the course!
Happily this has nothing to do with most...(the wild swings of Mr Nolimits is seemingly a personal attack...) The few who want the total 65 package now front and centre in the press spoil the hard work of those who retire and make their golden years shine by all the great things they do. I have watched my own father spend huge amounts of time volunteering and helping those less fortunate after he retired (37 years in the business) My utmost respect goes to those who take on extra duties after a long and excellent career in aviation. The petty mumblings of those who seek to climb over others for their own personal gain (or just to try to feel superior) get no respect from me and many others feel the same. My hat is off to you and those who deserve the respect for thier quiet and wonderful work. Happy days..and I had a great time on the course!
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OK Left Coaster, the truth! How many balls went AWOL and whats you REAL handicap,not to be confused with the one you tell at the bar! {Sorry, thread drift} As for the "Golden Years", Lord Beverbroke got it right when he said "Old age is a curse", after the life he led and his achievments {Minister of everything} he found getting old very difficult to take.
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Clunk,
Obviously you are among those unfortunate souls that do not have the addiction for the game and therefore have no understanding of what drives those of us who do.
As such you cannot realise that if golf had another name it would not be another four letter word, but something on the lines of "Hope Springs Eternal".
Nothing has more hope attached to it than a new scorecard on the first tee.
It is what keeps us coming back.
PS. And I don't want to hear anything about repeating the same thing and expecting a different result.
Obviously you are among those unfortunate souls that do not have the addiction for the game and therefore have no understanding of what drives those of us who do.
As such you cannot realise that if golf had another name it would not be another four letter word, but something on the lines of "Hope Springs Eternal".
Nothing has more hope attached to it than a new scorecard on the first tee.
It is what keeps us coming back.
PS. And I don't want to hear anything about repeating the same thing and expecting a different result.
And I don't want to hear anything about repeating the same thing and expecting a different result.
