"Look after yourself and find another job, that is what I am going to do"

.. Stall Pusher I think you will find that:
a) There are very very few jobs around at the moment, ESPECIALLY in the airline industry
b) You will really struggle to find a job that is as well paid, with as good T&Cs, as BA cabin crew

believe me - I left BA recently :) !

Stall Pusher,

You are very right the company should have been on a money saving drive last year, april or may I was expecting, but nothink, how about just reducing cash until it suits, so a cunning plan can be put into action.

The plans a foot now would have been very hard to get in last april/may, now the bank managers are calling the company, things will be different.

Wobble to Plank,

A previous post of yours tells a truth, the CC do appear to of had a great job done by their unions in the past, they have maintained very good T+Cs and well done to them and the unions, but now the cash numbers are bad and the CC staff numbers are big, lots of pressure to have some fast track change now, good luck to the CC anyways.

Meetings talking about pensions seem to be getting up to speed now, am guessing a closed sign will be in the window by april 2010.

Think I will accept VR before they reduce the exit deal.

Indeed it will be. Almost no work and longer crew rest.

We sadly have all worked with the type of crew who have been described here negatively.

BA would be a much better airline without them, it is true their main aim is do as little for the customer as possible and then get to the crew bunks for as long as possible. I have seen them attempt this on some of the shorter sectors.

It is time for these people and the staunch BASSA supporters to realise the seriousness of the financial situation the company is in.

I find it hard to believe BASSA thinks there is no financial problems within BA or in the airline industry generally. They must be the only people on the planet with their heads in the sand as has been the case for decades.

"Yes Zebedee, you had to go because you were on an 11 month contract. Anyone would think you left on your own accord. Yes the airline industry is finished...all low cost and poverty pay. Why not earn more money and drive a taxi?"

Actually Stall Pusher I was not on an 11 month contract, I was a Cabin Crew Manager who had been with BA for 13 years and I CHOSE to take up BA's offer of voluntary redundancy.

I was just trying to point out that those who say "oh I'll just leave and get another job" might find things a bit difficult out there at the mo.

Stallpusher: I am sure that as you feel the way you do your departure from BA can not come soon enough for you, BA or its customers. There is no point in working for an employer- that's the person who pays you, gives you the allowances, nightstops, way of life etc,-if you so passionately hate them. If all those who find people and service a chore and interruption to their rest and leisure would now vote with their feet and leave so that the rest could get on and enjoy the life on offer and work with flexible enthusiasm so that at the end of the day they feel the satisfaction of having done well and, made a difference and given the passengers the feeling that it is good to fly BA.

Stall Pusher,

I though the present VR deal was upto a max of 75 weeks pay and poss going down to UK min, but you mention max is now at 52 weeks, where did this info come from ? thanks in adv.

Looks like all the managers were offered the 75 deal at Xmas, would expect the Pilots to get 75 in their cosy deal and other staff to get 52 at this time dropping to UK min when it suits the company, so when the company drops to the UK min, all the bottom feeders will get the IVR, some could say this is not very fair, life can be very unfair can't it !!!

Is the current Voluntary Redundancy offer to us Cabin Crew only available subject to successful conclusion of talks with the unions?

Joetom

And you would be wrong to expect that.

Pilot VR offer is two weeks' basic pay, per year served, capped at 52 weeks.


From the Flight Ops, BALPA and the People Dept, in their various letters to me.


Regards

Bellerophon

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andyisnyname,

without wishing to be rude - i am surprised that you have not worked out the answer yet.

of course it is dependant on a successful outcome of the talks between ba and unions.

it is also dependant on the poll put out by bassa to guage opinion on the issues which are in the talks.
willie will be asking the unions for an answer by 30th june - so people need to have completed the poll.

i also understand that the closing date for the poll is either today or tomorrow.

are you cabin crew? i seem to be flying with a lot of people who, seemingly, have their heads firmly buried in the sand.

Joetom,

All mentioned in the message sent out by BF. It says "52 weeks basic maximum..."

Of course it will be based after decision with the TU's.

Slan22, yes I am Crew, and that backs up what I thought the deal was. Was chatting with one of my friends this morning. She thought she could take the offer, and then happily vote for a strike. I suggested she would be shooting herself in the foot is she did a strike vote, she was adamant that she was right. She couldnt understand that a rejection of any deal would end the offer of Voluntary Redundancy and bring on Compulsory Redundancy, using a criteria of the employers choosing.......and she has frequently been "sick" during Wimbledon etc.

There are sooooo many Cabin Crew out there with their heads well and truly buried in the sand.

.............and sadly they aren't getting the truthfull information they deserve from their Union.

There's a great little book called "Who moved my cheese ?" - by Dr Spenceer Johnson
In this case BASSA could be likened to Hem; and just like Hem they haven't realised all the cheese truly has run out and its not coming back.

Stall Pusher - you're the one who needs to get real :mad:

Just read this on the BBC news web site and felt it had some relevance -

BBC NEWS | Business | BA asks staff to work for nothing

Mike Emmott of the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD).

I just heard the piece on Radio 4's 6 o'clock news, complete with apparent negative quotes from baggage handlers and cabin crew.

..........some people just don't want to remain in employment!!

They didn't cover the CAA data showing that we costs twice as much as Virgin thankfully.

Here's some more breaking news for you guys; unless you improve your game significantly BA will be in real problems. As SLF I've just done 5 sectors with CX in 10 days and their service completely outshines BA. When I go back to flying business class 20+ times a year in a couple of months time BA = NO WAY.

Wake Up guys if you want to keep your jobs...

Originally quote by Stallpusher:
Stallpusher, the only misplaced loyalties about at the moment are those to BASSA. However, judging from the strength of momentum gathering now on here and elsewhere, I believe that loyalty may be waning.:D

Perhaps you are planning on VR - but as Andy pointed out you will not be able to take VR AND strike. The deal will be off.

As for finding another job, I wish you luck. Your pseudonym may well become a self-fulfilling prophecy!

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Just out of interest, what has BASSA/CC89 said about the consequences on the morning of 1st July if they don't achieve a deal by midnight 30th June?