I know it look slike common sense but a 205 across the board cut is hardly equitable. I remember a very senior manager in an airline business explaining straightened times post 9/11 and how he was also limiting his pay rise to 5%.

This meant that his PA who was probably on £35k would get £1750 per annum pay rise and he would getting at least £10k. If you reverse this and make a 20% cut across the board the same manager would see his salary fall significantly by £40k, he can absord that impact whereas his PA would lose £7k which he/she may not be able to deal with.

Of course it is easy for well paid managers to promote such a radical moves but the impact on the less well remunerated is disproportionate. Equally, it should be apparent that for each senior manager you can offload you can employ 4 or 5 other staff.

During the Ayling era BA cut management quite drastically but, numbers crept back up. I do not know what the present management population is at BA but I would be interested to know what the ratio is between managerial staff and flying staff.

More interesting would be the numbers of staff who are drawing a full pension but who continue to work on a full or part time basis on the top of their pay scales.This must be draining the coffers at an alarming and unsustainable rate.

The point is, could you re-recruit on that basis? Can you find enough managers, pilots, engineers etc prepared to take that money? Almost certainly not. BA were having enough trouble recruiting pilots on the current T+Cs last year without a 20% cut.

Can you recruit enough Cabin Crew on that basis? The answer must be yes otherwise BA would be failing to crew LGW flights.

My contacts tell me that BASSA have been served with a 90 day notice of 2000 redundancies to hopefully be achieved through voluntary means, with a max payout of 52 weeks.

All other stuff rejected out of hand....... apparently:zzz:

Confirmed - expected I suppose, but very sad.

If this is correct what happens if they do not get 2000 volunteers to take redundancy, last in first out?

I am sure there will be some very senior c/c who have been hanging on for this offer but I doubt that there will be 2000 of them.

Most likely, yes!

I wait with baited breath to hear what Tony Woodley of unite has to say about this ?

Stormin,

In the USA right now, and there is a considerable amount of Union backlash from GM shop floor workers about to be made redundant, maybe Tony Woodley should be watching the TV here before he puts a statement out:cool:

Could be us next:ooh::ouch:

I imagine the CSD grade will be made redundant and the Purser grade be renamed Cabin Manager. All legal and above board.

The sooner these are accepted the sooner my shares go up and the sooner my retirement comes up.
Get real, you are no longer working for a state run cash cow.
You work for us share holders who, actually employ you.:ok:

Well I guess if they don't get the required headcount either through part time or VR then the next step is CR:eek:

Just checked out the Bassa forums and the mood is time for confrontation.Again the mention of the fuel price hike being the main cause of BA's slide from profit to loss.Looks like turbulent times ahead.

The BA offer looks like a climbdown really, no changes to agreements just reduced complements on aircraft with a reduced service.
No loss of money for current crew, full access to promotion and part time on existing fleets.
No transfer of lucrative routes and a reduced new fleet of 500 instead of 2000, probably lumbered with all the naff unpopular routes to avoid upsetting current crew.
Even a tiered transfer agreement that would take years as BASSA requested.

Seems a good deal if enough people want part time or redundancy.
All the stuff we thought would be tackled like fixed links, meal payments, long day payments, box payments, single sector days etc etc etc untouched.

I guess the problem is can you lose 2000 through voluntary means? If not that would mean compulsary.

If there is a strike it will be all the easier for BA to decide who they want rid of. The ensuing tribunals will take months, and BA do not have to reinstate... :ooh:

Errrmmmmm, I imagine this is not a climb down and I think the working practice and productivity changes are still too be tackled.................!

Reduced Cabin Service, how much can they afford to reduce it by?

So that must mean only the customer looses out.

Too transparent
 

It would seem that this has been premeditated for a long time, and is not the "survival tactics" they would have us believe.

Many have been waiting for part-time and wondering why it has taken so long. A few days ago there was only PT for a small minority - now miraculously there is "Part-time for All".
Many have been waiting for Severance - and now there is a "best offer" (never to be seen again).
Transfers for all off existing lists - but never to be seen again.

This carrot that they know people are so desperate for, PT and severance, has been inextricably linked to the stick - and WW will effectively get all the things he wanted 2 years ago.

Very shrewd. Add to the melee the "must survive" pressure of 30 days to decide.

The ITV programme Tonight Pay Cut Britain showed how many companies have the will and the foresight to weather this storm AND look after their employees. Not so at BA. This absolutely stinks.

Which means BA wins. How are you intending to confront them? What is there to strike over?

Not fishing. I'd genuinely like to know.

HF is correct. BA have BASSA by the proverbial... no-one need join the new fleet and the agreements are almost untouched... a strike would be illegal and BA would take BASSA to court for damages, thereby bankrupting it. If BASSA officials are seen to orchestrate such a strike, well....