Management have seen what savings can be made by eliminating/reducing overnights at Jetstar, lets hope you guys dont suffer like we did.

OldBoiler, you are too right, we don't want that to happen.

We need to support the engineers eba actions because if they win this, it will give our faaa precedence for our eba negotiations and hopefully nothing like what you guys have already gone through will happen to all QF bases.:eek:

We need to solidarity now, not division between the bases.:)

There are a lot of great crew out there, lets stick together :ok:

Oh how very very true
 

Oh I love that explantion of management how very very true:D:D

saving moniesss
 

when jq pulled overnights the difference was the jq crew worked their behinds off! more then before..
but with us, im on beautiful home res and loving every minute! easiest buck i have ever made! so not sure this is saving money for qf s/h?

is there a meeting tomorrow? fingers crossed...

was anyone else listening today on crew vioce when queen bee herself said cns base is staying put? so what will this meeting hold then, all I hope is that they don't decide to meet again in the future but action some transfers out of there so we don't have half the people sitting on res in the future and we don't get flying at the expense of other bases!!
transfers,transfers...

Qantas Crew Voice
 

Sorry guys I missed crew voice today, any new udates?

Sorry for thread drift but...

Flying into HK from LHR a few years back in a Qantas aircraft on New Year's day got the call from the gents up front:

"Ladies and Gentlemen etc...Captain from flight deck...just begun our approach into Hong Kong where First Officer xxxx will attempt the landing."

2 Minute pause as aircraft begins descent.

"Ladies and Gentlemen. First Officer xxxx from the flight deck. I will indeed be attempting a landing at approximately xxxx local time."

Bless the Qantas crew and their Oz humor. Made my flight a memorable one. Best "Crews Voice" I've heard!

Best,

Sicknote:ok:

Word is it will be closed... If I was a gambler I would get on it at about 1000 to 1 odds...

A380 Flying Where are we heading!!!
 

Ok I have seen today that the A380 is a dedicated crew and you will only fly on this aircraft only!!:{ (QCCA ONLY)
Qantas crew can swap back after 2 years or they also have to stay dedicated to the aircraft permanently after this time.
We have been so screwed by this it breaks my SPIRIT. Would you dedicate yourself to an aircraft and never be able to transfer back? It affects everything in our work place. Qantas have finally divided us beyond our imagination :{
We now have SH , MAM, LH, QCCA, A380, London / Auckland / Bangkok Bases. What is next 787 Dedicated? In the UK, BA crews were unhappy with pay conditions being harassed over sick conditions and feeling that they were not VALUED as a work force. THEIR UNION (Which is all BA CREWS SH / LH) took action against the company and a stop works were called. BA got back to the union real fast and it was sorted and a better deal was done. (this is FACT) WE NEED 1 UNION FAAA - FLIGHT ATTENDANTS ASSOCIATION OF AUSTRALIA....... AND TO WORK AS ONE!!
With 20 A380's what is to happen to the qantas work force? Maybe I should apply now with QCCA cause I feel in 5 years will be working for them anyway. (I btw am not having ago at QCCA these guys do work hard and are CABIN CREW like all of us no matter who you are working for!!):=

QF crew
 

Just a quick note to say your new premium economy is great and you guys are too :ok:

A B P

So true!! Look forward to seeing the same as what happened in london, so many new crew on a flight that know one knew what do to and the experience goes right out the window. (again not having a go at london base).
My advise QCCA don't take it!! And look out EBA 9, by this time I hope we have our !!!! together........:ugh: like BA work together get better conditions to keep the flying and share the destinations.

anyone have any idea what is going to happen with the l/h base in melbourne? with the A380 taking over the mel/lax sector and tokyo getting the flick what flying, if any, will they have left? i have the same question re the s/h base in cairns. anyone heard anything?

re; split crew and unions
 

I can't believe that there isn't one union, sounds like Qantas set this one up. what's wrong with you guys? don't you believe in looking after yourselves?:confused:

Every Flight Attendant I have met has appeared to be intelligent but allowing a company like Qantas do what they do to you seems like stupid and selfish behavior.:=

Create some solidarity, all join the unions and create some strength amongst yourselves. Then you can force the unions to work for you, maybe even unite.

A strong union can create much better working conditions for you and remember, a plane with passengers cannot fly without trained cabin crew.:ok:

QStar and Not4thefainthearted Hear' Hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen to that!
We all really need to finally pull our fingers out once and for all and email/phone our respective unions and GET THEM to start looking at joining.
Forget all the past excuses about one not wanting to work with the other, bla bla bla, we really have to get serious NOW!!!

Im going to tell as many crew as I can to start a campaign of getting the word out there to get the unions to start doing some SERIOUS negotiations to merge.

ITS TIME!!!

I think you need a reality check MrPaxing
 

Perhaps the rate of pay cannot be reduced per se as it is covered by legislation.....however condition deterioration and manipulation of rosters so F/A's actually end up earning less money is a reality. It is already happening at short haul.
For example. What kind of flying do you think is eventually going to be left for the F/A's who don't want to fly on the A380(for more hours at less pay!)? All of the long range stuff will go, the only choice will be (drum roll) you guessed it...regional trips.

Rumour has it that some long haul trips are already being kept out of the roster build for QCCA F/A's to do....the more expensive routes I assume. Funny how a QCCA person can be on a trip that a QAL crew member bid for.
Don't worry though. The union will police it...more of a reality check if you believe that!

BKK Base update ???
 

BKK base was put on a short extension of contract due to expire shortly.

Does anybody know if they have been offered anything else ?

Some seem to think thats it for them and they will be finished up.

BKK base just had a new contract signed off and will be around for while yet.

Good news for them after alot of uncertainty these past few months.

How do LH crew feel about the new L.A. hotels? Compared to the current one they look pretty ordinary, however the location may suit crew more is that the case? The new hotels are contained in a notice on the CC website.

Considering a few years ago we were fighting the company in the AIRC to get out of the downtown location, I think there will be many of us that will feel much safer in Costa Mesa.
And for those that still want to stay downtown, you will still have the option by doing JFK trips.

Thought Of The Day
 

Ok....
In years to come say 5-10y LONG HAUL has 3 devisions - L/H - QCCA - A380
747 aircraft sold off, scrapped, 744 sold off, scrapped, 767 to short haul.

QCCA - Fly A330 - B787
QCCA - A380 ( 20 + Aircraft) now the Flagship of Qantas (Dedicated Crew)
QCA - A330 - B787

This 5y EBA states B787 is for Long Haul crew, but alas by the time they arrive our EBA is out of date and we need a new EBA9.
Maybe B787 will be dedicated too, or QCCA A380 - B787 :eek:

This means we no longer employ QCA LH Cabin crew, promotions these also slow down to a trickle as we need them only in QCCA. :confused:

Does anyone else see this or am I being over the top worried, when I have nothing to be concerned really about...... :uhoh:

spell check
 

oops DIVISIONS..... so did not proof read.....:uhoh:

"Quote"

Rumour has it that some long haul trips are already being kept out of the roster build for QCCA F/A's to do....the more expensive routes I assume. Funny how a QCCA person can be on a trip that a QAL crew member bid for.



That has been happening at SH for years! Qantas has been caught out holding flying for SH Permanent Crew who have bidded for the patterns and given them to MAM Casuals, nothing new here.

:=

take a cold shower
 

Qstar. You should be more worried about this clause!!!! keep looking at the oil prices and dont sweat too much!!
17. COMPULSORY REDUNDANCIES
The Compulsory Redundancy Arrangements are outlined in Schedule 2 to this Agreement.
Any compulsory redundancy of employees under this agreement will occur in reverse order of seniority.
Seniority for the purpose of this clause means the total period of service as an employee in any classification
covered by this agreement, whether employed by Qantas or QCCA. For this purpose employees of Qantas and QCCA shall be treated as one group for the determination of seniority.
:sad:

i don't think there is much need to worry regarding compulsory redundancies, there will always be enough crew willing to take the package especially as they didn't let any BFA go last time.

Chicken Little Geoff
 

this was in the Financial Review..... :D:D:D:D


02 Jun 2008 | The Australian Financial Review
Qantas CEO Needs Seachange

Qantas lurches from bad news story to bad news story, either of its own telling or as recounted by so many of its weary and disappointed customers ('Qantas axes routes, jobs on fuel pain', May 29).

I cannot identify a chief executive officer who is focused less on the needs of his customers and staff and more on creating shareholder and executive wealth than Geoff Dixon.

In this he ignores the dictums that, in a service industry, customers need constant attention, and staff need to be treated in the same way as you would want them to treat your customers.

Constant cost cutting and “Chicken Little” speeches, lead to corporate anorexia and disengaged staff, never to sustainable high performance.

On the upside, having weekly contact with Qantas staff, I am continually amazed at the latent goodwill and commitment that so many of these people have for their organisation and brand.

While Insurance Australia Group may have been over led and undermanaged, Qantas suffers from relative over management and a leadership void as Dixon fails to enlist his people in the task of working through the group’s challenges.

As the Qantas board approaches the choice of its next CEO, we can only hope it recognises the need for a seachange in the role of, and contribution from, Dixon’s successor.

Roger R. Collins
Gerroa NSW

where is the fun?
 

this was much more fun when it was the cns chit-a-chatta...

now who knows >

1. Whats happening with us?

&

2. Where's the chux?

Rather than telling us to cut back on crew luggage in the cabin (to save fuel costs ), maybe they could cut back on bulk loading of chux !

Seriously, I've never been so amused at their latest way to pick on crew. They are relentless in sending Cairns crew on ' POO ' ( Pattern Of One ) 6 day trips and they think a 3rd piece of luggage ( QF suitpack ) is inappropriate ?

Still waiting to hear our fate up in CNS. Do we really care anymore ?

QF Skywalker - no.

Any news on CNS Base
 

Hi All

Anything to report on CNS base.
Hopefully it will be good news for you all.
Hang in there:D:D

Internal Transfers
 

Can anyone tell me if QF has internal transfers to Cabin Crew from other departments, such as ground crew?

re internal transfers
 

all new lhcc will be qcca pay rates so no point going ground crew to get into cc. short haul is only mam. at least mam earn more without jet lag

wait until
 

the new sh eba is finished. i can see a mr. ma being removed from any connections with qf.:O

QCC rumour mill and a few things on the horizon
 

THe QCC mill is punching out rumour faster than Audrey's inflight service mess up's.

1,CNS base is looking on less solid ground with the buiness model being looked at as sectors are not going ahead that would of supported it.

2,Offer of VR and LWOP will be out by end of next week.

3,Even a part time job share is being talked about for min 6 months.

4,The visitors were told a restructure of management is looking likely so the intro of many middle manager wally's may be looking for work next week.

5,Reduction of all non profit routes and even looking at cheaper hubbing in Asia as HKG and BKK are charging stupid money for landing, taxes etc etc. KL has been courting QF for over 18 months with no taxes or landing costs for 20years.

It will be a very interesting next few weeks with all the elements stacking together for another asain money crisis.

Big economy nations ie USA, UK, Japan EU etc buy alot less and cancel orders from massive asian manufacturers and these economies are set up for large volume mass market.

It's already reflected in asia now with orders slowing and the world price of rice up over 180% in 2 years.

Cut price airline cowboys who prostitued the airline industry with cheap wages and stupid fares have just had the low cut business model shoved back up their a_s with interest as they cannot continue to sell tickets with stupid margins that has done nothing more than destablise the great industry it once was.

I think Virgin blue will not be around another 3 years as the ASX showed VB at a low of 58c this week with toll saying they may walk away from VB leaving them without a finacial backer.

They have lost over $1 billion in that asset in 2 years.

Tuff times ahead for QF staff as GD will use this leaver to turn the tables on the real worker.

Tuff times for everybody !!!!!

you do make some
 

valid comments PP, but its not all doom and gloom.GD uses the current oil/engineering issues as excuses trying to screw the working people in QF. oil is always going to be on the way up with ecomomies like India/China massively increasing demand. thats why QF employs a economist/risk managment team/consultants to give the best market updates/foresights. It is as no surprise that GD & CO put out a lot of missinformation about the engineering dispute. that they also got caught out on fuel hedging and lack of foresight in getting the 777 is more then enough to sack the lot.
now they are talking about a 5% reduction in management. what a joke!! they have multiplied since the last "restructure" like rabbits in the simpson dessert. anyway lets see what the next week brings:oh:

JQ ADL base to be closed by end August '08.

What's being offer to JQ ADL base cabin crew? Are they being made redundant? Or being offered base/job transfer?

I was told redundant for most....
I think some are being offered transfers... but most are being made redundant

Quoted from msg to all JQ staff via email from CEO Allan Joyce

It is with much regret that I confirm the planned closure of our Adelaide aircraft and crew base. We currently base two aircraft, 50 cabin crew and 30 pilots in Adelaide, operating 37 weekly return flights.

From the end of August, this base will close and we are currently working closely with our Adelaide colleagues towards this change.

We will be offering cabin crew across the domestic network a voluntary redundancy program and leave programs. Adelaide cabin crew will be given preference for other base opportunities before we pursue redundancies. Our Adelaide pilots will be offered transfers to other bases.

Qantas B744 Depressurization
 

Congratulations to the crew for their professional handling of the incident. Happy to hear that everyone on board is safe.

On A Lighter Note!!
 

Has anyone seen the new EK A380 interiors. Qf thinks that theirs are the best ever, horrible choice of marc newson yes thats right marc newson, we all fly an airline cause of marc newson... Our's look such !!!!!!!
The ECY cabin looks so fresh, the bars are fantastic and showers for Fcl cabin.
What do you think??
:ugh::{