BA new entrants.......
 

I have just done a trip with a recruiter for BA. They have informed me that as of now, recruitment will follow a strict pattern, in that new entrants will start at EuroGatwick -> Eurofleet LHR -> WW LGW and ending up at WW LHR!!

This is a result of the animosity caused by new entrants going straight into worldwide LGW.

Don't know how true this is, but worth bearing in mind for any people wanting to apply.....

and for the ones who got WWLGW who really wanted EFLHR? we cant change and we get stick for it to boot

A friend was offered a job yesterday but given the option EF LGW or EF LHR? Having just completed the EF LGW course there were many of us who would have appreciated being given the option. We werent and when asked to be kept on hold for the next EF LHR course were told 'do you want the job or not?'.

Why is there no consistency? Also know of many people who went straight in on WW LGW and don't want it. Ask what people want and surley this would make for a happier bunch of crew doing what suits their needs?

Yeh I totally agree..... I guess it just seems like to much like hard work for the admin, trying to sort out numbers etc.

One thing I am totally against is that you aren't informed before the course start date... wasting people's time, and the company's time, when people quit after finding out its not what they wanted.

I also know people who wanted short haul and got WW.

I am commuting and am not really enjoying the evil glares from EOG shuttle crew seeing me without wings and knowing that I have gone straight into WW. Give me a break please! It wasn't my choice!!!

exactly why dont they tell you before you quit your current job and some courses were changed on the day they started, too many rules in BA i know theres a few people who got WW and wanted EF but were not given a choice, it seems BA will do what they like unless you constantly call them and ask the question but even then they'll still do what they like.

Worldwidelad

Sorry my new collegues are giving you evils!!

Just think many are fed up with 50 odd sectors a month and dishing out slices of cake, and would have liked the opportunity to do something new.

I on the other hand will put up, shut up and wait my turn for WW, although I may be old and grey by then!!

My course is just going online, with 2 more following next week and the week after so hopefully you'll start to see a few more smiling faces on the shuttles from now on.

Cheers!! :O

Having come from charter short haul i understand completely how they must be feeling. Its actually not the new recruits dishin the evils!! Its the older crew!! I know many feel the same in WW feel exactly the same for their cheated EOG colleagues.

I have to say, everyone raves about how friendly LGW is. I have done 4 flights from LHR and would be inclined to say the opposite!!!

I was called yesterday and offered E

oops that wasnt supposed to happen!!

They offered me EF LHR or EF LGW - not just E!!!!! :D

Was given a choice of dates in June. It does seem a shame that not everybody is given the choice - it would keep the campers happy!!

TBA have offered me a training course for EF LHR starting on 3rd May.

After reading the above, I'm worried that they could suddenly change this to LGW. Can they change your fleet after making you an offer?

Hey TrolleyLad,

Understand your frustration!

However, when the positions were first advertised back in Aug/Sep of last year, it was for London Heathrow with a LHRCCS job reference code. So when they subsequently said LHR and LGW, I explained that LHR was what I had been interested in applying for, and that LGW would be a lot more difficult transportation wise.

At the interview they said they understood that some people had applied for LHR and that LGW would be difficult for them. They said that we could explain that we wanted to wait for LHR, but that ultimately we may end up waiting several months if there was only LGW courses, and perhaps even miss out altogether if only LGW courses were scheduled, so it was a risk we’d have to decide if we were willing to take. It was just fortunate that they had both LGW and LHR course dates available when I was called.

In 1972 when I joined BOAC all you worried about was whether you would be on 747's or VC10's/ 707s. At least you knew you were getting 21 day trips around the world on either fleet!!

YYC F/A

Not frustrated really, just glad to be in.

However they have changed things in the last 3/4 months since I had my interview. There was no choice.

'Do you want it or not?' simple as, no option to wait. I know of people who asked to hold for LHR to be told politley they could wait but it wouldn't look favourable and they would be pushed to the bottom of the hold list.

I just wish there was more consistency throughout the company, particularly where recruitment is concerned, then I wouldn't have to constantly listen to crew on WW moaning about wanting EF and vice versa or LGW wanting LHR etc.

like I said before, offer a choice (as far as is possible), suit the majority of needs and have reasonably happy crew.

Worldwide lad...sorry that you have been given 'evils' by my colleagues at EF LGW....PLEASE understand its nothing personal...and i for one would be more than happy to have you on my flight...but EF LGW crew have REALLY been shafted by BA recently.

Those that want to go longhaul, have had an up hill struggle from the days of EOG, and now all we see is BA recruiting externally, but NOT allowing us to apply for worldwide positions, without resigning from the company and then waiting 6 months before we can apply....FRUSTRATING as you can imagine. There are rumours that that may change in October...but watch this space, BA are renowned for dangling the proverbial carrot, and then retracting it..many think its a ploy to keep EF LGW happy over the summer months when there are few trips and a lot of doubles and late night/early morning there and backs...

Good luck at WW LGW...hope to see you on a shuttle some time...with or without Wings!:-)

i think that all of you who have issues with what fleet you have been put on have missed the point ,you have been selected from thousands of people who would kill to be in your shoes regardless of what fleet , for the wwlgw crew(new ), people in eflgw know its not your fault you have been fleeted ww ok theres a few who are very envious but thats to be expected rise above them eflgw is a lovley base to work from even if the rosters are busy there is a lot of crew who wouldnt thank you for wwlgw/wwlhr/ eflhr and the way ba sees it is if you dont like it theres thousands of others that would so leave and let some one elese whos going to get on with it in to your stillies i hope your all going to be happy in what ever base /fleet you have been given stop worring about each other and what others might be thinking of you and i look forward to flying with you soon but i dont want to hear any one moaning or i will have to slap you xxxxx

I should let you know that fleet's can change on a daily basis, my friend was on the course that was changed from WW to EF after the course had started to fit in with the "company's operational requirements"

Therefore, until you have completed your conversion courses, don't take anything as gospel. Dont want to cause mass panic but, be aware, it can happen!!!!

While not trying to upset anyone here, remember EuroFleet LGW is a subsidary of BA and T&C are different to Main Line-WW LGW/LHR and EuroFleet LHR.

EF LGW crews have been slowly been transfered up to EF LHR most having been at LGW for 3-4 years. The history of EF LGW is the remains of Dan Air and the purchase of City Flyer Express. CFE crews were merged in with EF while CFE crews kept both their rank and seniority, EF LGW crews keep nothing when they transfer to LHR.

When CFE was taken over by BA some crews shall we say had great plans that they would do WW LGW...

The remains of EF LGW are a lot of ex City Flyer crews.

Tiger, Suggest that you check your facts...EF LGW is not and has never been a subsidiary company of BA (Unlike EOG and Cityflyer).

It was formed out of the aforementioned companies...but that is where the similarity ends. it is an intrinsic part of British Airways...and whilst there are certain agreements that are different to that of other fleets....this is because of laws regarding mergers and acquisitions, and the fact that the previous occupants of LGW Shorthaul (i.e CFE and EOG), have to keep their terms and conditions...for what they are worth.

Hope that this clarifys things, especially for the new recruits joining us....

Would also like to add, that anyone transferring to LHR Shorthaul from LGW Shorthaul, always started at the bottom of the seniority, you infer by your posting that it is CFE that is to blame for this. This is not the case, and again another example of EF LGW keeping the agreements that were in place PRE merger! Whether we like it or not...

Tiger

Having just joined EF LGW I can assure you that in bold writing at the top of my contract it says

'Permanant Mainline Cabin Crew'

EF LGW is not a subsidery, therefore to all those new entrants out there who are currently being offered EF LGW as a base, please do not turn it down thinking you are not part of mainline BA.

I was under the impression that Eurofleet LGW was NOT in the NSP. That`s why crews who transfered lost everything bar date of joining.

Lets get one thing quite clear, Eurofleet LGW is a full integral part of MAINLINE BA and not any kind of subsidary, as explained by bunnygirl!!! :mad:

By people saying and thinking this is putting off new recruits and potential new recruits. Eurofleet LGW are a hard working bunch of people, doing 4 sector days, very early starts and very late finishes. Many have stuck it out through thick and thin, even after repetitive shaftings.

Anyone offered Euro LGW take it, afterall you're into BA! :ok: