Report call sign. Thank you. Of course another group of potential joiners could be the 600 BMI crew. This is a potential time bomb for Bassa. In fact if I were a long term weather forecaster, I'd say we are heading for 'A Perfect Storm' in the next few months. I can also see the BS retiring now in July as even he must recognise the potential disaster awaiting his branch. We shall see.
I don't want to bring up details of the court case here for general discussion, but the ID's of the missing 13 are IMHO going to cause no end of problems for the Bassa hierarchy.

Finally thank you so much Mr.Mod for allowing this discussion. We all know who the trolls are.:=. Let's hope it remains civilised.

Benj, After seeing the reps names, believe me you have nothing to worry about.:ok:

Talk about history repeating itself..it's great...:ok:

JT
I too do not want to discuss impending court cases specifically on here, however I will finish by saying you are so correct, I think BASSA are going to get one hell of a shock in the next few weeks, just as big a shock as the individuals that are involved in this horrendous mess they have made for themselves
If you refuse to act civilised on a forum you should expect to have the wrath of the law thrown at you and man is that going to cost each and every one of them, I for sure would not want my subs going to fund such a losing battle!
Back to the thread, it is fantastic to hear that so many are joining the GMB. I can see thousands of members signing up in the next few weeks
On a there and back yesterday it was great seeing so many crew using their mobiles to contact the GMB and add their name to the ever growing list.
I hear the first meeting is weeks away, and wow what a meeting that will be!!!

Looking forward to the first meeting. I might actually get to meet Betty girl:8

I know many of the CC are looking forward to the first meeting too
I met a few yesterday on the T&B

Me too Bettygirl! Decided we had nothing to lose and a lot to gain. As we already know, resigning from a union is as simple as stopping the money and dropping them a note so it is definately worth a go! See you at the first meeting.;) Wondering if we can tempt Hiflyer into joining and becoming the Eurofleet rep?

Lovely to fly with you a couple of weeks ago as well!

For the record two of the reps named on the GMB site are ex CC89.

BV was worldwide and TP was Euro fleet.


As this time it is not a 'breakaway' it will be interesting to see how BASSA/Unite play it.


We live in interesting times!

Was TS not once a BASSA rep, or did I imagine that?

This is fantastic news for all of us who gave up on BASSA before/during/after the dispute.
Anyone out there fancy being a EF rep? Betty girl...anyone...? Pretty please!!

The BA Union Thread
 

Received today my ballot paper from GMB (wow that was quick) about the newly negotiated Redeployment Agreement and it looks okay to my mind. I know this was something the unions did not want to give up but the changes don't seem to be unreasonable given the current climate. Indeed it says that BALPA have already signed up to it (not that I can ever remember BA making pilots redundant).

I was wondering if anyone had a different slant on it or any reason to object to it?

First and foremost this concerns LGW. I believe the company wishes to outsource loading, baggage, aircraft handling, and possible other departments. Under the old agreement it wasn't possible to carry out what the management wanted to do, hence the new negotiated agreement.

First i've heard of it...?!
 

Hi All,

This all seems great news, I'm Eurofleet Crew not blinded by the selfishness of BASSA but have, and still do pay a high price of it....

Not being in a Union for 3 years now it's exciting to hear it's not just me out there alone!

Still need a little convincing on the. I haven't heard any information, talks or news of a GMB Union at all, which worries me the most. I understand the difficult in this is a result of the BASSA bullies but that’s more reason why people should be shouting about it....

In fact this thread is my only source of info I’ve received at all and could do with a little more convincing before I commit to joining.

Will be keeping my eyes and ears out at work for more information for sure and hoping for find some presence off a new Union, which represent crew in 2012 not 1912. ;)

Allegedly a big announcement at 10am today!

Anynews from the meeting??

BA airport jobs threatened - Business News - Business - The Independent

Thats your "Big announcement":yuk:

GMB Recognition for MF
 

The GMB CC Website now contains a link to the "BA & GMB Recognition & Partnership Agreement for Mixed Fleet".

http://www.gmbcabincrew.co.uk/images...ecognition.pdf

Does unite have anything similar?

Well ive joined - £11.49 for unite with no representation, or £15.49 for representation with gmb, doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why I joined!

Latest hot GMB rumour off the press is the GMB have been awarded collective representation for Mixed Fleet!

I can only assume that Mixed Fleet have achieved 51% membership in GMB for this to be implemented, ahead of Mixed Fleets exciting new Company communication platform ‘Our Voice, ’which launches mid June.

Numbers are not my forte but in a Fleet roughly 1200 strong and with 400 Cabin Crew in Unite, Mixed Fleet has to be proportionately the most Unionised work force in the UK!

After Gorgeous George Galloway’s performance perhaps I should not be so surprised that a predominantly female work force is so politicised. As the Guardian noted ‘It was the women that won it’.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/apr/04/how-women-won-it-for-galloway?CMP=twt_gu


‘Our Voice’ signals a significant development in Mixed Fleets identity and engagement with our Company. Unite members interested in becoming Union Reps are being encouraged to nominate themselves as candidates to be elected as ‘Our Voice’ Champions.

The planned agenda and topics are ideal for budding Reps to build positive relationships with the Mixed Fleet Leadership Team, an important building block in the foundations of a collaborative and productive future.

You may wonder why Mixed Fleet would even need to have collective Union representation. I would point to the ongoing ballot on the proposed changes to the 1948 Redeployment Agreement, current BASSA input into the smooth integration of BMI Cabin Crew into Legacy Fleet and BALPA’s involvement in the board level decision to add BMI to our family as evidence Unions can support both employees and the business in times of transition.

Whilst Legacy ladies like myself and Betty Girl can offer support and guidance, it is only a matter of time before Mixed Fleet Champions take control of their own destiny, for they are the future.

I stand to be corrected but I think this breaks TUC rules so the GMB could be in big trouble, not to mention that at least one of the people they have recruited as a "rep" seems to have absolutely no idea of the principles of trade unionism. I expect this will implode and some people will be very embarrassed. I will watch with interest.

"All affiliates of the TUC accept as a binding commitment to their continued affiliation to the TUC that they will not knowingly and actively seek to take into membership existing or “recent” members of another union by making recruitment approaches, either directly or indirectly, without the agreement of that organisation."
TUC rule book

I doubt the TUC can be arsed with the GMB seeking disillusioned members of BASSA. BASSA are not the flavour of the month at Unite and Brendan Barber barely has the time of day for that particularly militant brach and it's nut job leadership.

Very much doubt that anyone will give a flying fig about introducing some competition and that's all that's happened. Unite still has the overwhelming majority of unionised legacy crew on its books. Furthermore, no attempt has been made to approach or recruit members from other unions. As has been stated above and on other forums, there appear to be many CC who would never join Unite for their own reasons but who are embracing the GMB's open-armed welcome.

Mr Pony, following yesterdays BASSA Branch meeting which I attended, it appears some folk have embarrassingly overstepped their remit.

Len McCluskey himself informed us that our CEO Keith Williams and Paul Kenny of the GMB had no knowledge of the GMB representing Mixed Fleet and that it would indeed contravene TUC rules, which they certainly are ‘arsed’ about.

Len went on to assure us there was no animosity arising from this, as he and Paul Kenny are the best friends and would be having a chat over tea and biscuits.

I suspect those responsible for the embarrassing faux pas will also be having chats, without tea and biscuits.

Following the meeting we were all drinking something a little stronger, as the unfinished business of our dispute was finally resolved. Confidentiality prevents me from going into details but ALL outstanding cases are settled.

Hugs all round, as we can now focus fully on delivering outstanding service to our customers.

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Well if you heard it at the BASSA meeting it must be true!!

The Bridlington agreement which stops unions poaching each others members is not enforceable and would not be relevant in this instance.


Bridlington forbids a union from actively recruiting existing members of another union. Mixed fleet crew are not members of Unite/BASSA and the GMB are quite entitled to recruit them.


As I have stated before the GMB has had recognition rights for cabin crew in the past but just didn't bother to utilise it.


I will consider eating my old BOAC cap if it turns out not to be true that GMB have recognition rights for MF.

I don't think the GMB have been campaigning for Unite members to join.

This has been set up for non union members and thoes that feel unable to join Unite/BASSA.

Individual cabin crew have been suggesting people join the GMB but the GMB website clearly is directed towards people not already in Unite/BASSA.

I don't think it would be very democratic for Unite to say that people can't be in another union. Quite frankly many who are joining the GMB would be quite happy, being members of Unite, they just don't want to be in BASSA.

So there lies the problem!

Sounds like the BASSA faithful getting their knickers in a twist because they've been outwitted yet again. Play book rule 1 in the situation is to threaten action at the TUC because BASSAnistas think it's some sort of union police which dispenses summary justice to those who offend Unite. It would seem from the complete and utter failure of their letter writing campaign to get BALPA expelled from the TUC that Brendan Barber doesn't fancy himself as Len McClunkeys poodle.

Anyway, when's the Dear Leader leaving BASSA? I'd heard it was May. Can't wait to read the valedictory address by 'admin', I've cleared a couple of days in my diary.

What I find quite incredible is that the BASSA membership fall for the same old con trick time and time again!

There is no GMB agreement it was some rogue manager just cooking it up on his own - when there is a clear agreement signed by GMB and BA IR manager plain for all to see.


There is a secret deal done with BASSA but we can't tell anyone anything about it - the same old same old.


Cabin crew WAKE UP you are being treated like fools by this bunch of idiots.

i thought that under the terms of the agreement that ended the last dispute that Unite had sole negotiating rights for Mixed Fleet.
has something changed in that regard?

Hi Dingbaticus
I have no idea who Paul Kenny is but the agreement has clearly been signed by Mick Rix, a National Officer of the GMB (google him and you will find a whole page of Wikipaedia devoted to his union credentials) and BA's employee relations officer. Sounds to me as if the agreement will stand so we are back to having two unions around the table for crew NSP meetings. Just as before the dispute!

So, am I correct that:

EF LHR & WW LHR Crew have a choice between:
1) unite/bassa - with currently incumbent chair, bs and reps.
or
2) GMB - with an "appointed" rep previously from cc89.

MF LHR Crew have a choice between:
1) GMB - with a newly signed agreement - no current reps.
or
2) unite - no agreement - no current reps - bassa yet to decide whether to accept MF into the fold?

LGW Crew - I really do not know what their choices are.

TorC,

I don't think you are right.

WW,E/F and LGW have a choice of

BASSA. Reps as before minus some.
GMB. Ex CC89 reps and exBASSA reps

Mixed Fleet

UNITE. Unite Mixed Fleet rep (from a previous airline already in Unite)
GMB Don't personally know if Mixed Fleet rep appointed yet but probably.

I think you need to consider the 'appointed reps' scenario.

When a new organisation gets a recognition agreement it has to get some reps to further it's cause and recruit.


This is perfectly acceptable and even the Certification Officer gives a period of grace before elections are held.


You, obviously, can't elect reps before you have members.


Once the GMB branch is established and membership has been recruited they will offer themselves for election.


BASSA ignores all of the rules and continues with a Branch Secretary who no longer works for the company it's members work for.

Is democracy a new concept?!
 

Before any union can represent CC properly, it needs to foster a spirit of democracy. It seems to me CC believe they have to settle for choosing who's view they are going to sign up to, rather than who will listen to and represent them.

Until this changes, whichever union one signs up to it will be ineffective IMHO.

More Unite 'mistakes'
 

Taken from a report on the BBC website today, regarding the fuel tanker drivers dispute...

Is Unite really the union that a profession that has safety accountabilities (Cabin Crew) deserves?

I'd have thought any professional body would want to be represented by an equally professional outfit...

So you have joined a union and you dont know who your General Secretary is ?

Ottergirl I would have expected more of you but then your hate for BASSA is so greater that you dont see anything else.

Anyway, what will you do now that GMB will not represent cabin crew ?

I was more interested in who the reps were when I joined since it is them who will directly impact on my life! As far as I know the GMB are still representing several hundred cabin crew and therefore me but if that changes I will have to go back to before and manage without a union.

You are mistaken if you think I hate BASSA, not at all. BASSA is the collective name for a union of many thousands of my colleagues and over the years I have found that I like almost all of them! It would be truer to say that I don't agree with the way a couple of the current elected representatives do business which is simply why I have not been a member for the past 15 years. Additionally, I also have immense respect for most of the Fleet reps, I think they do their best in a difficult job and walk a thin line trying to please everyone - not a job I would want!

Dingdong over GMB? Who are the idiots?
 

Actually I agree with Ottergirl, I don’t think either they or Betty Girl ‘hate’ BASSA. I believe they are victims of an aggressive smear campaign during our dispute, which saw not only our Union but our Cabin Crew community turned into objects of ‘hate’. At times, I wondered if being a member of a Trade Union had been criminalised.

As TightSlot points out, this is not ‘The BASSA Forum’, neither is it ‘The Anti-BASSA Forum’!

Post settlement, it has been an uphill struggle to rebuild pride in our profession and our Brand but commitment and hard work by both our Leadership Team and BASSA has taken us into new territory and opened the door to an exciting new era, as the Business Experience Programme unleashes the passion and creativity that carried Cabin Crew through the dispute.

Some of the most passionate strikers are the most ardent advocates in building bridges and putting our business back where it belongs, at the forefront on the global stage. So why do some who crusaded against BASSA under the ‘Backing BA’ banner now undermine our positive efforts with continued sneers and innuendoes?

You cut sad figures, not unlike the Japanese soldiers post WWII who roamed the jungles unable to accept the war was over.

So successful has our honourable negotiated settlement been, IFCE management have celebrated by recognising our right to belong to a Trade Union and permitted us to use BASSA luggage labels on our hand luggage.

The unfinished business of our dispute has finally been satisfactorily resolved and I can confirm the minutes from the last BASSA Branch meeting are an accurate reflection of what took place. Our detractors accused us of being ‘serial fantasists’ during the dispute but it is THEY who can not handle the truth.

Curioser and curioser, the BA Cabin Crew section on the GMB website has made like the Cheshire Cat and disappeared, leaving the 500 Mixed Fleet in Unite grinning from ear to ear as, quiet as the dormouse, they prepare to launch their own branch – our new baby is growing up!

Meanwhile, Paul Kenny is probably mad as a hatter and unlikely to be throwing any tea parties for those responsible for the embarrassing faux pas.

Do I hear the chilling sound of an axe being sharpened carried on the refreshing winds of change that are sweeping through the corridors of power, accompanied by the cry ‘Off with their heads’?

I suggest the Bassbashers stop behaving like Tweedledee and Tweedledum, synergy will impact on us all and it is time to concentrate on the challenges facing your own community. Fortunately with synergy comes opportunity too but obsessing over a non existent war with BASSA will side line you, while others seize the moment.

I end this post in the spirit of the personal message that Len McCluskey sent to the members of BASSA that suggest that far from ‘not being flavour of the month’ with the TUC, we are tastier than unami as a Central Fund of £25million has been set up to support branches in dispute, following feedback from our dispute.

To Fly. To Serve.
With Dignity and Respect.


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I don't think that's right it's here:

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And here:

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Remember, Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall!
 

What a mad party this is becoming, with the storms brewing in tea cups likely to cause a few heads to roll.

I stand corrected Mr Pony and thank you for it, as I decided to turn ‘Dingdetective’ and do a little digging.

I called the number on the GMB Cabin Crew website and spoke to one of the Reps involved. Their branch was started in good faith but even he was surprised at the haste, worthy of the White Rabbit, in which they were awarded sole representation of Mixed Fleet.

It appears that haste caused rules to be broken; the BASSA branch has sturdy roots and those clutching their invitations to the GMB tripped and fell down a legal loop hole!

The Rep stated they are currently in limbo, unsure if they can step through the looking glass to a brave new world or come back to earth in ours with a bump - their intentions are potentially as dead as the Dodo. I wonder who the Knave of Hearts is in this story, for they will surely lose their position if not their head.

Meanwhile Red King Len is delighted with the enthusiasm shown towards giving Mixed Fleet collective representation and Legacy Fleet are planning more than a tea party to welcome them, although Vintage Krug is a bit fanciful for our tastes. Pimms at Bedfont always seems to go down well!

The postings made by Dingbaticus, proud Bassanista are my own thoughts, feelings and beliefs and don’t necessarily represent my employers positions, strategies or opinions.