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WHBM 21st Nov 2011 20:31


Originally Posted by TCAS FAN (Post 6819783)
Also apparently showing a 7 hour something flight from Berlin to NYC. A bit optimistic elapsed time, beyond the range of an early model 707, quite apart from the short runway at Templehof!

Pan Am operated their 707 service to New York out of Berlin Tegel (longer runway), even when the rest of their German domestic service was operating out of Tempelhof.

In 1966 PA77 departed Tegel 1330, Hamburg 1415/1450, Prestwick 1625/1715, JFK 1925. That's 11 hours elapsed.

Tercarley 22nd Nov 2011 19:55

vctenderness

The steward that used to swing out of the windows several floors up has just died - from natural causes I presume.

rmcb 23rd Nov 2011 15:42


The show does have its compensations, such as the divine Colette (Karine Vanasse)
I'm fully behind bnt with this one - I am rather enjoying this drivel because (not in spite) of herself. Mind you, it does remind me that I have only travelled with wagon dragons; trolly dollies always work for the opposition.

:(

I.R.PIRATE 23rd Nov 2011 17:09

Sound like my gig Rmcb...:mad:

G-forceloner 24th Nov 2011 10:54

Loved the Pan am show, those were the days! Glamorous, poise, fun.

Agree depends on what country you are in, but am also surprised which airline you worked for as recently a very revealing flight attendants bikinis calendar, sale for charity? That definitely gives an immediate impression of what the airline is all about! Say no more!

Tankertrashnav 24th Nov 2011 17:36

I'm like Redhill Phil - I don't know much about airline work either, and I lack the specialist knowledge to pick out technical mistakes, nor do I think they are particularly important for 95% of viewers (but hear Phil and I shout at the screen if, for example, Poirot travels from Paddington to Bristol on the Southern Railway!)

However, like him I do recognise complete c**p when I see it, and this is, without doubt, the genuine article. Total tosh!

SpringHeeledJack 26th Nov 2011 05:37

The flight deck crew seem so young, especially the captain, who looks no more than 35 yrs old......:rolleyes: I might be wrong, but wouldn't such captains be in the 50-60 yrs old range bearing in mind seniority and the status involved with the international routes (well that means all the routes :p) ?



SHJ

rmcb 26th Nov 2011 15:29

SHJ - you have struck on one of the storylines; both the skipper and the FO have histories that require this connundrum be explained...

Just to get a tasteful glimpse of the delicious Colette you have to wade through those histories. :(

overun 26th Nov 2011 21:34

Couldn`t be bothered to watch another soap until l checked with the professionals.

Read all and will give it a miss.

rmcb 27th Nov 2011 12:20

Colette is getting less airtime... I feel duped into watching... Eye candy akin to the pusher's first few hits for free... more Colette or they've lost a viewer!

bnt 28th Nov 2011 20:44

This article has some comments on the show, from a Pan Am pilot and stewardess who have been together since 1969.

Question: What do you like about the TV show?
Jan: I especially like seeing the large old Pan Am logo and the interior set of the 707 jets. It's more or less correct. The show is set five years into the beginning of the jet age for commercial airlines.

Q: What's hokey about the show?
John: They spend way too much time on the different exotic layovers of the same crew. That would never have happened. The captain also looks like he's 28 years old; in real life our captains were all 45 or older. We had to work our way up. Captains in their 20s were unheard of.
Jan: In those days, Pan Am did not fly domestically - there were regulations - and those eight-hour trips overseas were hard work! We (the stewardesses) were so tired we would just fall into bed. And there's no way the same crew would fly to Paris, Rio, Hong Kong. Nobody flew to three continents that way.

sanjaime 28th Nov 2011 22:08

The comment you missed out......
 
:DJohn: I have a friend who was a pilot and he considers the show a comedy

Read more: 'Pan Am' TV show rings true, and a bit hokey, for retired Bellingham stewardess and pilot husband - Entertainment News - bellinghamherald.com

delta154 2nd Dec 2011 12:07


Shame about the apparent technical errors. The episode showing JFK's visit to Berlin showed a LH B707/720 tail in a view from the Terminal Building, don't think that LH were permitted to operate into Tempelhof?
Or how about the episode where she tries to meet John F Kennedy in Berlin, and there is a Qatar Airways aircraft in the background? (unsure of aircraft as it was a very brief shot)

overun 5th Dec 2011 20:13

Tankertrash, for the same reasons l don`t watch Sky`s aircrash investigations.

The last 2% of facts, always wrong, kills it.

Apologies for the hijack.


p.s. lt does look as though the cabin crew gave up, doesn`t it ?

Dawdler 5th Dec 2011 23:16

I think some of you guys are taking this show too seriously. It is not a documentary, it is basically a soap opera based in the 60's. I take the points about the same crew working together on all routes at all times is not realistic, but it is a PLAY. There would be little continuity if the crews changed every week even though that would be more realistic.

As in any soap, the happenings are telescoped into a short period and perhaps more of them occur than in real life, such is the way of a TV series. Those of you in the UK will know the British soap, "Emmerdale" ostensibly about a small village in Yorkshire. There have been more people killed in one way or another in that small village than in many a large city.

Just sit back and enjoy it for what it is a bit of light entertainment.

Mr Optimistic 27th Dec 2011 10:02

Well my last (and only) recollection of Pan Am was flight from LAX on a standby ticket in 1979. Even then their CC had the reputation of being the oldest in the business (one would like to think that they equated experience with quality of service.....)

However, that trip was memorable for a 'Dirty Harry' type LAPD officer sporting some sort of long barreled magnum whilst trying to chat up the check-in staff (he clearly thought size did count) and a disgruntled US customer jumping on to the desk to shout that he would never use Pan Am again. Can't remember what caused the mayhem (having spent the day in the bar waiting) but glamorous it certainly wasn't.

sevenstrokeroll 24th Feb 2012 23:03

Pan Am Error
 
I might have missed it, but no one seemed to notice that in the images of the plane, the navigation lights are incorectly installed. In most, not all, but most of the scenes of the plane, the LEFT WING (PORT) has the GREEN LIGHT, and the right wing, (starboard) has the red light.

AS we all know, the correct way is PORT WING =red light, Starboard Wing = green light. AS a pan am pilot told me in ground school in 1975...just think: PORT WING PORT WINE.

I did call the production company and in some later episodes the problem is rectified.

I agree that the little french girl, Colette, sure is nice. I also agree that the short one with the large forehead annoys the hell out of me. the two sisters are nice and I think the best looking one is the one that is being turned into a spy. (Kate).

natrually, I think of myself as Ted...the copilot...he is the better pilot between the two and at least is complying with seniority.

grounded27 25th Feb 2012 05:30

Ahh, P.C. has destroyed the males expectation of having a Stew fitting the show's example, it's success is an honest example of a real market desire. Asian and S.A. airlines still have expectations of appearance that extend beyond your uniform, hell as a guy I like it.


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