Monarch
 

What happened to it? It seems to have disappeared without trace! I say bring it back!!!

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yea i agree too..! anybody got a start date yet?

I noticed that the monarch page was missing thought i was going mad:ugh:.....
Still heard nothing flyboy?.... I haven't either !! :sad:

Yeah - us lot in BHX have had start dates. I'm sure MAN won't be too far behind! Keep yer chins up!

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Gatwick course dates
 

Is anyone waiting for LGW course dates? i had my interview last July and I'm still holding!

What start dates have been offered so far for BHX and is training all done in LTN or is some done locally?

7th and 28th March - most training is done locally, with a few nights down at Luton (very glamourous....)

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Hi ,not sure what start dates have been given,but training is done at BHX and then three days in LTN :)

Hope that helps.

I went to the interview in manchester and was offered the job. Thought my start date would be in january so i applied for my disclosure which came a couple of days ago. Does anyone know if i will be able to use it or will i have to apply for a new one?

Thanks for the information on training dates. Does anyone from MON have any rough idea on typical rosters and salaries both for the summer and winter from BHX? Also, how the base is to work. Feel free to PM me.

Linseyloo

You normally have a validity period of ten weeks for a standard disclosure certificate. So as long as you apply for you're airside pass within that period you will be okay. Beyond that its another twenty quid I'm afraid!

does anyone know about the typical rosters for mon/zb at MAN?? and the average monthly salries for new entrants/juniors :) feel free to pm me! :ok:

Hiya Has anyone got a start date yet for Man

Start dates
 

Course 1 starts 2 Mar at MAN

Kenny

Monarch Contracts?
 

Have you been offered temporary contracts or perminant ones? Were you told that at the end of your temporart contract you would be made perminant or able to re-locate to another Monarch base? Last year there were a couple of people from the Scottish base who were given a perminant contract at Manchester and relocated there in Oct (they got this after working 6 months on a temporary contract, they were NOT re-entries). Other than that I do not know of anyone who was able to re-locate after being on a temporary contract.

At Gawick there were no re-entry course last year, there were only 2 courses (about 20 or so on each) and out of about 40 crew, 30 were 'offered' rentry... rumour is Gatwick is over-crewed (by 100) and that is why many don't think there will be re-entry this year. There were NO permainant contracts given at Gatwick last year. In previous years cabin crew were given a perminant contract at the end of their temporary one.

At Birmingham last year there were about 100 new crew. Only 13 were given perminant contracts, all were offered re-entry, however it looks as if there are 2 new entry courses in March already, judging by what has been written on here! Also their contract finished in Oct and they were told that if there was re-entry this year, than this would not be until May. Rumor is, is that there are no re-entry coursse until May at any base (if there are many re-entry courses in the first place)?

At Luton there were 2 courses last year and again at the end of Oct there was no contract, but re-enty offered.

This is all what I have heard from people on here, at Monarch and on various Cabin Crew sites.

I am just interested in anyone else thoughts?

Thanks for the post john, it's been very informative. I'd applied to all of the charters that were recruiting this year. FCA told me they were over-subscribed, I've got TCX interview tomorrow and sent my MON application off about a week ago, and not sure if it's too late.

For the BHX base does anybody know whether they interview and train locally? Also anybody got any experience of rosters and how the base is?

Interview and training done locally, except for a few nights down in sunny Luton.....

:ok:

I had my interview with Monarch last year at Luton for BHX :)

:ok:

contracts
 

Well done for getting a perminant contract! I am pleased you got one as you are always posting positive and useful information on the various cabin crew websites... You deserve it, as you take the time to respond to various posts and always come across as freindly etc.

I met a few crew from BHX and they were very upset that they had not been extended in the first place (like you) and then not given a perminant contract. They said that they were told by the trainers that at the end of their contract in Oct they would be made perminant, if not at BHX, then at another base where they could re-locate. They also said that they were even told to write to Luton with their preferred base!!!!

You said that it was a temp contract you were first given. Of course you are right and if the trainers (managers, other crew etc) had kept saying to people that it was a temp contract, than last years new entries wouldn't be so upset. Trainers and various CCO's gave incorrect and misleading information with regards to crew being taken on perminatly at Monarch and this is not fair. Regardless of what had happened in previous years.

New Entries starting in Man and BHX (and other bases I guess), have been told exactly the same thing... Other companies that take on temp crew ie First Choice, Thompson, do not mis-lead new entries and make it clear that they are temp contracts.:=


Because of the mis-leading info etc, people find them-selves unemployed at the end of their temp contracts and had not planned on this happening.


I think the day's of perm contracts at certain bases at Monarch are over. Well done you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

It is made VERY clear in the contract that it is a temp contract. It's there in BOLD TYPE, regardless of what anyone else might say. I also know of various other charters who 'dangle the carrot' of an extension or a perm contract. To say only Monarch do this is quite ridiculous.

:ugh:

Well done for getting a PERMANENT contract! I am pleased you got one as you are always posting positive and useful information on the various cabin crew websites... You deserve it, as you take the time to respond to various posts and always come across as freindly etc.

:O Thankyou john1111



John are you CC ?

contracts
 

Giving somebody false hope and not following through, is harsh. Many charter companies dangle the carrot and this is wrong. I am not only accusing Monarch of bad form in this respect.


Most charter airlines however, don’t go around promising people they can re-locate from one base to another if there are not contracts available at the base they began their temporary contract with. Monarch wrote a CCO asking crew to write to them with their preferred base.

Also when charter airlines advertise for crew, many advertise for temp contracts and when you are invited to go for the interview it is made clear (in the letter that is send to invite you for the interview and during the interview), that this is a temp contract. These air-lines say they are offering a ‘seasonal’ contract.

Also other airlines are realistic with the job opportunities available. They are clear that the contract is temporary and that there is the possibility that there will be re-entry in the future. Monarch are (ask the new entries this year, and the ones last year, or look at posts made by them on other sites) telling new crew that there is a strong possibility of being made permanent at the end of their temp contract.

Most of the crew I spoke to have said that they had other opportunities to go to other airlines, but the reason they chose Monarch was because they were told there would be a huge certainly of a permanent contract.


But ‘Silly-Moo’, I fully appreciate that it may be different at other basis, and I don’t know where you are based. I am talking about the ‘temp’ crew I have spoken to who are at certain Monarch bases, the situation with regards to contracts may have been made clearer to crew where you are based.


Anyway thanks for taking the time to reply.

John111, I think you are being a little unfair about Monarch.

We have spoken extensively on another website for cabin crew. There I told you that I was a temp at Manchester and that nobody there was ever promised permanent contracts at the end of the summer season. From Twinklinggem's comments, that she was advised from the beginning that it was a temporary contract, it appears evident that people interviewed at Luton are told the same thing.

Those things added to the fact that it is stated clearly in the contract that it is a temporary contract clearly show that Monarch do not systematically promise permanent positions at the end of the summer season, which is the sentiment I feel you are spreading. I also get the impression that your arguments are based on hearsay. I would be interested to know where these comments in forums from other people are and suggest you are a little bit more discerning about what comments to take with a pinch of salt.

Certainly here in Manchester, and I know also in Birmingham, it is widely known that a permanent contract is never guaranteed and the prospect of having to find work to fill in the gap is always a possibility.

Please don't paint a bad impression of Monarch for those people visiting these forums who are interested in applying for positions with them. I have never had a company be more clear with me about my position before. Explaining that permanent contracts may well not be available at the end of a temporary is sufficient to clarify a point.

And just to point out to those people who may be visiting this forum for information on the prospects of getting a permanent contract with a company, it is my understanding that in the past Monarch have been much more generous about offering permanent positions than other charter airlines where it can sometimes take up to 5 years to made permanent.

It's not just me. This is the first time you have posted on here. A few day's ago lots of posts were removed from this link (thread) see above.

Plenty of people are upset about the whole contract thing. As far as I am aware people at BHX were not happy and they felt mis-lead (at other basis too). I think it's only fair to let people know what they are getting into with Monarch. It's up to them to make the choice of taking a contract with them.

Monarch do not offer a seasonal contract (that's what most of the other charter companies offer). Monarch offer a fixed term contract.

However I appreciate you work at Manchester, Monarch works from lot's of airports, but there were posts on this site before anyway. Its a shame many have been removed and you didn't get the chance to see them.

Also there are other threads on this site with information on, have you seen them?

Nobody at BHX was told (by trainers or anyone) they would get a permanent contract i know i was there,:= as at the interview i was told it was a six month contract,in which having a degree i would have gone back to what i was trained to do .......

I think as been said we need to stop this negative information about Monarch.

Monarch is a great airline to work for i for one feel proud to wear the Monarch uniform :)

If you are joining us this year good luck you will love it...even the 3am starts ;) look forward to meeting you all at BHX :ok:

Enough...
 

anyone here working for monarch..? im hearing on galley fm at my current job that its very stict at monarch as to who you are ie..TEMP JUNIOR or CABIN MANAGER.. just wondered if its actually like this..feel free to PM me..:)

Pre-Course study booklet.
 

This is probably aimed at somebody who is already working for Monarch ie twinklegem, but i'm wondering about the pre-corse study pack that got with our contract and stuff.
Are we expected to learn anything before the course from this or is it just to give us an idea of what to expect?

cheers
A340

Pre course study book
 

Hi A340,

Firstly CONGRATULATIONS on getting your course date. Hopefully you've not been waiting like some for too long.

I SUGGEST that you familiarse yourself with the booklet. You don't need to know every detail word for word, but more like an awareness of what is contained in the booklet. I.e The Fleet, Who's who etc..

Another good pointer is to check the Website frequently for company News. New routes,offers etc.

You can never know too much.

ALSO make sure you read through and understand your contract. there seems to be so many rumours flying around about Contracts etc... they are all temporary etc...

What Course are you on ? and what base ? ( i'll keep my eyes open to say hi )

If you need any advice, give me a shout.

MLM :D

Monarch Strict ?
 

Hi Flyboi...

When you get into your flying career ( I apologise if you are already flying, but if you are then I would expect you to know this already ) each airline operates different policies for rank, seniority and promotion of ranks.

Some airlines for Example BA - Takes upto 15 years to get to Purser let alone CSD - Cabin service Director. Where as Airlines such as Jet 2 or Ryan Air you could be a NO 1 - Senior within 6 Months.

I don't think Monarch is strict, but again like BA some of the Pursers and NO 1's have been with the company a long time so they may prefer that people follow suit in Ranks, i'e checking onto hotels etc.. New C/C should check in last. Thats not a bad thing, i think its about respect - Even if the No 1's or Pursers don't seem to be doing much on a flight, they have been with the airline for years. - Think of it as a little bonus for them. In which to some this really is quite an important bit.

Airlines such as Monarch ( after you've been taken on as PERMENANT) and Virgin, Do have a fast track programme in place, where if you are good and do show signs of great leadership, mentoring and dedication to the company then it will be rewarded. Which i think is also a great bonus.

Thomson, Thomas Cook and First choice don't have anything like this. Again it takes years. Opportunities at Monarch are much better.

Monarch Prides themselves on being a good airline -- IN WHICH THEY ARE - 1 of the Best Airlines. Grooming is impeccable and services very high - some may disgree but you can't please every crew member.

Someone on here or through G FM may state that Monarch is terrible and sooo strict, but you really can't take 20 peoples opinions on that. Until you can decide for yourself - NEVER LISTEN TO GALLEY FM.

I hope this gives you a little more insight into seniority and ranks etc..

Any questions please feel free to reply or PM.

MLM :D

Cheers MonarchladMAN

By the time I start training i'll have been waiting 6 months since I was told i was successful! Must say it hasn't dragged too much though. ;)

I'm on the 28th March course for BHX, so the same as quite a few others here on PPrune.

I guess you're already workign at MAN then?

A340

long haul
 

Hi Could Monarchlad or anyone else know what happens after training,do you get any long hauls in the first six months, or is it all short haul?any info much appreciated.:hmm:

Firstly, Monarch do not promote crew quickly... at present it takes about 6 years to get your No 2 and about 9 years to get to No 1. My understanding is that they are cutting costs and not promoting anyone to Purser. Monarch has one of the slowest promotion systems in aviation.... I’ve never heard of anyone coming from another airline and being promoted quickly, just does not happen, despite what they tell you at the interview. As for going onto long haul right away, at most bases Monarch will not fleet you on the long haul aircraft. As has been stated before, it appears that they are only offering temporary contracts and at the end of it, you will be laid off. The object is to burn temporary crew out during the summer and have them operating short haul (it’s not only Monarch who do this, so I am not just blaming them). You may get lucky and have the odd night thrown in here and there somewhere. And yes I agree with the post about the company being strict, they are. Monarch are a low cost airline now and operate within that model, the problem occurs when there are too many ‘old school’ crew who have trouble adjusting to this. Having said that there are man wonderful people are Monarch.

Interesting. I'd heard promotion was largely dependent on base and operational needs. Nothing was mentioned to me at interview about a quick promotion, simply because I had come from another airline.


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Promtion at BHX is quick some CC have only been with company 2years and have already gained their No 2's.

does anyone one have any info on the DUB base??? is it going to be crewed by irish and english crew???? or all local?? and any long haul routes?

At last.....
 

....A start date!!

Anyone else training at LGW from April 4th?

I know of some people training at LGW on the 4th, im starting on the 21st March!
Does anyone know what the dress code is for the administration day eg smart?