Blimey think I may go Part time lol

Way to go AA - I've never been happier! (ok, the Airbus will, one day, be the icing on the cake.....):)

Shudders at the thought of LTN Airbus :\ :}

Do like the wide aisle though, and the bright cabin

I moved to Airbus at EMA from LTN about 8 months ago - Still miss the Boeing, it has it's charms! Wide Aisle is a godsend, as well as a lot of the gadgets on it. The Rear Galley Arrangement is not to my liking though!

Friar.......
 

....LTN isn't the same without you

how sweet! completely true of course :p PM me who you are - I have my suspicions!

easyjet cabin crew leave
 

Two days before the bidding opens for next years leave, the management have put out a notice to cabin crew saying they can only bid for NINE days leave in the summer and 21 days in the winter. This appears to have happened without any consultation with us. This will do wonders for moral and I hope the union will take this matter up with some urgency before loads of people start resigning

I have already contacted the union about this. It is totally unacceptable, I would strongly urge ALL union members to protest in the loudest possible terms to their union reps.

DO NOT take this lieing down. The Level 2 NTC was laughable, saying that this is being introduced owing to in previous years crew members having had 3 or 4 weeks leave in the summer period - I for one in all the years I have been with easyJet not known anyone to have this amount of time off. Also regarding the line that said "reflect a growing business that needs to balance the lifestyle of its crew with an efficient operation" is complete and utter twaddle.

ONCE AGAIN I urge all members to contact your reps, urge the union to take a vote over this (not for industrial acton) to find out whether crew think it is acceptable or unacceptable - the union can then go back to the company about this and press them to rescind the rule.

Yeah come back to LTN and the world of Boeing,
For n ow anyway lol

9 days in the summer is no use if you want to book a holiday. Why not 11 0r 12? They just want us to take our leave when it suits them

9 days off in the summer is absolutely absurd! You cant, for example, go on a full 2weeks holiday, and if you have children you cant spend a decent summer holiday with them and must importantly, april-sept is the time of the year when we work the hardest and therefore need as much break as possible surely they cant expect us to only have 9days of leave?
At the end of the day, the only reason they are doing this is so they can work us even harder if they cant recruit enough people to cover for all the new routes they will be introducing.
one thing i dont understand though is, why is it not thesame with the FD? surely if it is as they said in the NTC2 "more balanced system", then thesame thing should apply to the FD as well.

Couldn't agree more about the timing of this announcement - last minute, in the hope we'll just panic and bid anyway. Everyone must e-mail their BCCM's asap and protest. 9 days between 01 apr and 30 sep will probably mean increased sickness next summer. I guess the new uniform had a price after all.:suspect:

Santas Little Helper is probably right. It will do wonders for crew morals. However not sure what it will do to morale though!

9 Days Booking Leave

Ok I think I know why this may of happened.
Currently recruitment for UK bases is now fixed term (eg like a temp contrct FOR PEOPLE APPLYING NOW not current crew) so the leave has been adapted for that reason. But they have forgot about us Full Time contract crew and our entitlements.

From what I heard yesterday the Union have been fully imformed and they are currently on the case to sort this issue out and go back to how it should be.

Surely some dumbo should have thought of that! Then admin never has been the strong point of EZY or other airlines for that matter.

Have those morons in Hangar 89 not thought of the blindingly obvious? - If crew can only take 9 days in the 7 month summer season, and the remaining 21 days have to be taken in the shorter 5 month summer season, the company WILL NOT be able to accomodate all cabin crew to be off in the 5 months period that the 21 days can be taken.

This will mean that the company will no doubt have to buy our leave off of us - hopefully this will lead to the moron in Hangar 89 who approved this policy getting the boot.

And if this policy is good enough for cabin crew, it should apply to ALL OPM's and BCCM's and dumbasses in Hangar 89!

There was a feeling of mutiny in the crew room at LGW yesterday when I was there and I would not be at all surprised if crew were willing to strike over this. This needs to be sorted out ASAP! :*

This new fixed term contract they have offered is really bad! if you think only giving us 9 days leave in the summer is bad... they don't even get to pick thier leave, it is all allocated..

Surely this should only improve flexibility in the leave the Permanant crew wish to take, and use the temps to fill in the gaps, either way, its a pretty :mad: deal for all involved

The fized term contract is not a temporary contract. Yes, you are told up front you will be emplyed for a specific period of time but it is also made very clear that at the end of that period it's likely you will be kept on. In a way, it's more like they are wanting the flexibility of the option not to continue someone's employment if they aren't performing properly as well as not being able to qualify keeping someone on in the quieter months.

May I ask where you were or who told you this?..........................

but it is also made very clear that at the end of that period it's likely you will be kept on

Airbourne... can you keep us in the loop if you hear of what steps the Union is taking, please...

Leave
 

I'm not part of the Union, but am really annoyed about the holiday... I have more than 9 days I need to take due to various things but I know they will just expect me to give up my plans and my social life for work. Working in the aviation industry, be it for only 7 months, I have figured out that you expect the unexpected and don't complain. BUT I know I need these days off months and months in advance (1 day for a wedding, 4 days for a festival I have paid for and 2 weeks for a charity trip to Tanzania). Unfortunately my days off are not in the right place this year.

Is there anything I can say or do or email to anyone to help out??

Remember you can Take RDO's, thats one day sorted.

your 9 days off include your wrap around days, so you get 3 days off, 6 days leave, 3 days off, 3 days leave thats 15 days in a row, still a crap deal, but might help!

Also join the union!!!

thanks
 

I'll try getting the rdo's and seeing if that helps... my days off are the 3 days before I go away so they are useless :)

Join the union... there was someone in the crew room trying to get us to join but I don't really know what it's about! Stupid thing to say I know!

PurpleButterfly

As yet I have not heard anymore, I am not actually in the union but a college/friend who is in the union is on the case.
As soon as I know more I will let you know.

Ok... so it seems that Co has backed down a little ... the months applicable to the restriction are just going to be July, August and September now... and it is a compromise... as our Cabin Crew Head calls it in today's email...

I am not sure if I am still convinced... does this still change our Contract Terms and Conditions? :ouch:

Is it a compromise just for this year as the planning team may be foreseeing establishment difficulties with the integration of GB? ... should not all this be transparently negotiated? As far as my knowledge of English Law goes, setting precedent becomes printed law for future dealings.

Is this the easyJet spirit that CEO is feeding through or somewhere the chain has lost a ring somehow?

Santa Claus Helper, any ideas or insights?

I dont know the reasons fully for the 9 days leave booking but at least they have acted on feedback and done something. Many other airlines if they had changed leave and got feedback would of told you where to go Trust Me.

So to be fair at least something has been done, still not to everyone's cuppa tea.
Next year ALOT is happening, as you said Purple the situation with GB may have soemthing to do with the leave as we need to accomodate GB guys, fair one I think.
And of course the new entrants now on fixed term contracts, so the leave system has also got to be fair to them and their contract.

Airbourne, I see where you are coming from with re. the fixed contract people and I admire you for that; we would all want to get a fair deal if we were in their shoes but what I doubt to be fair trade is giving my rights away so that someone else can have them. What we are talking about here is a management exercise; they are easy ways, filling one cup to empty another or carefully thought decisions that do not erode anyone's human right to a decent job.

As far as I understand "fixed term contracts" appeared in the employment arena to fill in gaps with re. peaks in work, so my understanding is that it is them who should have restrictions on Leave allocation, not us. I remember a while ago, this happened and permanent people were working their butts because temporary workers were taking their leave.

Management get a fair deal of rewards for a well-done job if company performance goes up... so please, let's encourage them to do their job the same way they expect us to do ours; they can put some more thinking time to this issue and I have no doubts they can come up with a much better quality decision, fairer to all.

Meanwhile, can I suggest to stand our ground; otherwise, next time we will be asked to give our sales comission towards the fuel burnt on go-arounds!

I don't work (and have no intention of working) for EZY - I am a mere bit of Self Loading Freight.

However, I was interested in the comment that EZY would have to buy the holidays off you.

It's a common misconception that holidays should be either taken or paid for. It's actually illegal to pay staff for not taking holidays. The working time directive is in place to ensure people take their holidays (ie time away from work). It is not an opportunity for an employee to sell their holidays to their employer, nor is it an avenue for the employer to get out of actualy giving the employee time off.

If your Union Rep is any good, then maybe get him/her to look into it.

They have backed down a bit which is on the right road, but it still doesn't help me for the leave that I need! When I try and do something about it I bet the response will be 'aviation get used to it' which I have actually been told before! I know we work in an unpredictable environment, but why should I sacrifice my personal life for the sake of work!! Plus the new rules don't help people with kids and summer holidays to fill! I don't see how GB Airways acquisition really affects it, all they need to do is limit the number of staff taking leave on each day which is what they did before.

AGREE!
 

Psychobabble.....

I agree with you, especially when it comes to those of us who have served the airlines for a long time, and had children and with that comes about 7 weeks summer hols! (compulsory I might add!)
It is so hard to find childcare for any amount of time and difficult to spend quality time with your children without these kinds of restrictions being put on us! I wonder if the deciders of these restrictions have young children? If they do, I question their priorities maybe???:confused:

Summer Leave!
 

Hey Guys. I think the problem that the company have is how to make it fair for everybody..? We all know that 'sometimes' the people that decide these things tend to act first, then think about it later, then act again upon a re-think... I'm just pleased we can have leave in the summer, as at a previous company, we were'nt allowed to take any in the summer months! I never take leave in the summer months, just because everyone goes away then & it's far too expensive. I totally sympathise with the parents among us, but why should they be awarded leave to suit them, isn't that almost a form of discrimination against the people in the company that don't have children..? Just a thought... :uhoh:

SuperStewardess
 

I don't have children but I need 5 days in the month of July for a friends wedding and a festival that I had already bought the ticket for... then in September I am doing a Trek up Kilimanjaro for charity and it's 2 weeks. I understand your point about it being busy and expensive in the summer, but why should I sacrifice one of the things I am doing in the summer months (september isn't even summer and the kids are back at school) just because someone somewhere has decided to put a limit on the holiday allowed? I didnt take ANY holiday in the summer last year, I started in May and the first days off I booked were in October so why should I miss out on my events when I worked hard for EJ all of last summer!!

My only suggestion if the leave issue affects certain booked events ect is to speak to OPM's or even email T.M.
I understand that it is causing problems with certain people.
I am not defending the new leave system, but at least they are acting on it and being more flexible.
Dont forget even if it was still the old leave system, and you bid for leave to go to a festivel, wedding or what ever there was never any promise you bid would be sucessful.

Summer leave
 

Hi Superstewardess.
The leave we need to have during the summer holidays is not to suit US, its to suit when the government say our children are on holiday. This, we cannot chose. I'm sure if we could pick and choose when our children had time off we wouldn't have this problem?? Unfortunately we'd get sent to Prison for taking our children out of school too much during term term!
Sorry to be a stickler, but i'm one of those people whom, before I had children would have quite happily taken my holidays whenever so that families could get holidays together. No skin off my nose. I think this is one issue that will never be resolved eh. :hmm:Regards.

terrilee

That is a good comment to be fair.
Leave is always a problem EVERY year. People bid for certain weeks ect, but dont get the leave requested due to that period already being full.

So Leave System is open. Did you check your leave? Did you get it?

I got everything I asked for except christmas - not surprised or overly bothered about that though!

I got everything. Until this time nobody got christmas off .. who got christmas off. I asked around and everyone i talked to didn't get christmas off. Scary ..

I got Christmas off, probably because I've worked the last two and take my leave on the low-point days.

Long last leave is open, can now book my holiday yipeeee