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charliegolf 4th Jun 2007 10:16

Cabin Lights Dimmed for Landing- Why?
 
Genuine question, asked of me by a child. Why do they do that on night approaches? Pax get a better view!

Cheers

CG

DeliBag 4th Jun 2007 10:26

Simply so your eyes get used to low light levels should there be an emergency.

FLYING GER 4th Jun 2007 10:28

Hi there,

They switch them off or dim them as during the 'take off or landing roll' you may be required to evacuate. Should you need to evacuate, your eyes have been ajusted to the level of light outside. The purpose is so that if its dark outside, its dark inside and light outside light inside meaning that should you need to evacuate (unlikely and god forbid!) you dont have a blinding effect. ie. stepping out from light into dark which would make your eyes funny.

ALso the reason the window blinds must be up for take off/landing is so that should you need to evacuate the cabin crew can see outside and see if theres fire/smoke/obstructions so that they know whether to block off an exit and redirect you to an exit which doesnt have dangers outside.

If someone can explain it better then off you go as not very good at this!

justD 4th Jun 2007 10:29

Yep! Exactly!
Can you see anything when you turn off the lights in your bedroom before you go to bed??? (well if it is dark outside...)

Windowblinds:
Have to be up also because the emergency services have to be able to look inside!

sinala1 4th Jun 2007 11:52


Originally Posted by justD
Have to be up also because the emergency services have to be able to look inside!

The primary and only real reason is so that cabin crew can see outside the aircraft in the event of an evacuation... the ability for the emergency services to be able to see into the aircraft is an ancillary ability. If the emergency services need to be able to see inside, the chances are there is going to be gaping big holes for them to look through...

Pax Agent 4th Jun 2007 12:40

At BA there is no requirement for the window blinds to be open.
The window blind is for the pax to do with as they wish.

justD 4th Jun 2007 12:50

Sinala1

I merely completed the previous post!!!
Relax, I am fully aware of what the reason is behind the windowblind and lights issue. No need to explain.

charliegolf 4th Jun 2007 14:06

Thanks everyone. Makes perfect sense.

CG

GEAR_DOWN 4th Jun 2007 14:55

Pax Agent - At BA there is no requirement for the window blinds to be open.
The window blind is for the pax to do with as they wish.


well Obviously BA aren't concerned about your safety as other airlines are!!

jet2impress 4th Jun 2007 15:11

Your eyes need to be adjusted to darkness for what may happen inside the cabin. If for example you suffer a problem on take off or landing which requires an evacuation. If the APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) is not running, when the engines are shut down prior to an evacuation, the cabin will be plunged into darkness. For this reason, your eyes need to be adjusted to the dark so you can get yourself to the exit. It does not matter if its dark outside, the fire from the burning aircraft will light your path! :eek:

CrashAxe 4th Jun 2007 19:28

Why does it take so many people to say the same thing?

I think after the second post we realised it was to ensure that C/Crew can see an emergency outside of the aircraft.

It makes me laugh 'how many people it takes to change a lightbulb' so to speak! You've all said the same thing, just in different ways :-)

I bet you didn't anticipate this much of a response, did you CharlieGulf! :-)

:8

GEAR_DOWN 4th Jun 2007 19:46

JET2IMPRESS - Why do you assume that there will be fire if you evacuate? I can think of many reasons why slides would be deployed without fire being present.

For example - Nose gear collapse ( southwest airlines yesterday ) no fire present but still evacuated as the attitude of the aircraft did not allow the safe positioning of steps to disembark pax.


Do not assume that there will be fire to ' light your path' away from the aircraft!!

I might also add thet the APU will never be running in an evacuation so the cabin will only have the emergency lighting as a power source, so always assume darkness.

HAWK21M 5th Jun 2007 09:25

How long does it take to adjust to the higher Intensity lighting medically.
regds
MEL

judge11 5th Jun 2007 09:42

So having 'adjusted' your eyes to lower light levels, you can then dazzle yourself (and the person next to you) by turning your 'individual reading light' on full blast thereby completely destroying any night-vision capability. Doesn't compute. I believe 'dimming the lights' is an urban myth that has just become 'the thing to do' over the years. Prove me wrong and come up with a reference from a national aviation authority, not an in-house airline manual, that requires the dimming of lights for take-off and landing. And I can assure you, there are many airlines that don't bother 'dimming'.

jet2impress 5th Jun 2007 11:34

The fire statement was intended to be a joke. I was just making a point that your eyes need to be adjusted to darkness to be able to evacuate the aircraft. Other replies had said that you needed the night vision once outside the aircraft. :ouch:

jet2impress 5th Jun 2007 12:09


Prove me wrong and come up with a reference from a national aviation authority, not an in-house airline manual, that requires the dimming of lights for take-off and landing. And I can assure you, there are many airlines that don't bother 'dimming'.
Taken from Chapter 32 of CAP 768:

"15, CABIN LIGHTING

The dimming of interior cabin lights, particularly when taking-off and landing at night is recommended."

As this is a recommendation, dimming of interior cabin lights at night is I guess, at the operators discretion only.

Monkey Madness 5th Jun 2007 13:13


How long does it take to adjust to the higher Intensity lighting medically.
not sure on that, but It takes the average person between 30-45 mins to adjust their eyes from daylight/bright lighted room to night vision.

Hence CAP 768, Ch 32, Para 15.1 is only a recommendation.

GEAR_DOWN 5th Jun 2007 15:18

Cabin lights should only be dimmed during the hours of darkness. Remember that the dimming of the lights during daylight hours may well lead to it being darker inside than it is outside!!!!

ccguy 6th Jun 2007 01:22


Originally posted by sinala1
The primary and only real reason is so that cabin crew can see outside the aircraft in the event of an evacuation... the ability for the emergency services to be able to see into the aircraft is an ancillary ability. If the emergency services need to be able to see inside, the chances are there is going to be gaping big holes for them to look through...
I'm thinking that not all emergencies end with a gaping hole in a fuselage.

missleadfoot 6th Jun 2007 03:12

I have no idea why but our procedures require us to dim lights (not off) for all take-offs and landings, day or night. Go figure. Maybe just a consistency thing however they do remain that way for the duration of the flight. The only time they are on high is for boarding and disembarking.


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