BASSA start their hate campaign again
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Sorry, my apologies.
Can someone confirm, as I am curious about this. How is he able to represent BASSA, when he does not work for BA? Or is it a case of him working for Unite since he no longer works for BA, and not being a rep, and just putting out "communications", if you can call it that.
Can someone confirm, as I am curious about this. How is he able to represent BASSA, when he does not work for BA? Or is it a case of him working for Unite since he no longer works for BA, and not being a rep, and just putting out "communications", if you can call it that.
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Many questions need to be asked of Bassa re voting, elections, payments and funding.
It amazes me that although some crew resent Bassa, and some even leave the union, none seem bothered at the lack of openness and transparency of its constitution.
The total absence of objectivity and balance in its communication with the members and the company are unquestioned.
In fact the vast majority simply accept the b/s from "admin" and have no interest in what happens to their subs.
It amazes me that although some crew resent Bassa, and some even leave the union, none seem bothered at the lack of openness and transparency of its constitution.
The total absence of objectivity and balance in its communication with the members and the company are unquestioned.
In fact the vast majority simply accept the b/s from "admin" and have no interest in what happens to their subs.
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Which is why I left.
When there were cries for 12 days strike over Christmas a couple of years ago, my nagging doubt of the intention and management of the union got the better of me and I decided I no longer wanted to be part of something that was so insular and negative.
The e-mails that used to arrive almost daily were poorly written, "bolshy" and and stating things that were obviously inflated hyper boil. I did the sums and decided that for a union who was getting an astounding amount of money from its members every month, the supposed assurance and protection they ofered was not worth it. I would be happy to fend for myself.
When there were cries for 12 days strike over Christmas a couple of years ago, my nagging doubt of the intention and management of the union got the better of me and I decided I no longer wanted to be part of something that was so insular and negative.
The e-mails that used to arrive almost daily were poorly written, "bolshy" and and stating things that were obviously inflated hyper boil. I did the sums and decided that for a union who was getting an astounding amount of money from its members every month, the supposed assurance and protection they ofered was not worth it. I would be happy to fend for myself.
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DH cannot represent BASSA any more. I think there is just a bit of 'editorial advice' going on involving the new Branch Secretary. 
According to the meeting last week the 'Spirit' of DH lives on in the future profile and actions of BASSA. Heaven forfend.
According to the meeting last week the 'Spirit' of DH lives on in the future profile and actions of BASSA. Heaven forfend.
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Well, as it appears to be to IAD, it would be "Legacy" crew...
(God, how I hate that term...)
(God, how I hate that term...)
How about we just call them crew??
After all, that's what the customers see!
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And, more to the point, I am too young to be "legacy" anything... It is one of those silly terms that was coined by the few believers and has now become widespread.
Either way, if BASSA want a professional relationship with BA, they need to become a more mature and open group. Stop all this silly communication, have open and frank discussions without hiding things and "move on".
Either way, if BASSA want a professional relationship with BA, they need to become a more mature and open group. Stop all this silly communication, have open and frank discussions without hiding things and "move on".
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hate it or not it's what you are and what you are referred to. When talking to FDVP at xmas he called us/you as "Legacy Crew " and when challenged by a crew member who said that they hated that term , his reply was " Well you are a Legacy crew member. You are current and we are commited to you , however you are on historical terms and conditions and don't represent the future "
ie. A Legacy is something you leave behind.
Funny thing is that he appeared to like the term "Legacy" however took real exception when your fleet was referred to a dying fleet. " I hate that term "
ie. A Legacy is something you leave behind.
Funny thing is that he appeared to like the term "Legacy" however took real exception when your fleet was referred to a dying fleet. " I hate that term "
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I haven't been on here for ages, but would like to make a couple of comments.
What these comms clearly show is that sadly Bassa have not moved on one jot from the dispute three years ago. I simply believe they are still angry with all kinds of groups for getting in the way of their masterplan re the strike, and like a naughty schoolboy, will not accept any change at all. Unfortunately as many know, DH changed the constitution to enable him to stay on for a further 27 months after being sacked by BA and collect around £5000/month as the BS ( legally I might add). Because of that simple fact, nothing was ever going to change. Unite put up with Bassa for one reason only. The cool fact that over £1M+/year is going into their coffers from Bassa means that Len McCluskey doesn't ask too many questions. Add to the fact that Bassa have endorsed him in the recent Unite leadership contest means everything is kept rosy in the garden.
As for the members emergency meeting last week re; pilot bullying and harassment, to have DH along as a guest speaker to speak on the above subject, is akin to asking King Herod to speak about baby care! It's beyond belief. They even had another vote of no confidence against the manager of cabin services. 100% yes as usual!! What exactly is that going to achieve? Just playing to the crowd.
Finally Bassa have continued to spout lies to their members on all kinds of stuff since the dispute, the latest being that ONLY union CC members will get the holiday pay due to us. That's simply not going to happen, and I'll happily come on here again when we ALL get it, to prove it. I really wish more would leave but apathy rules ok. Lucky lucky Bassa.
I won't say anymore as Tightslot has rightly said not to turn this into a Bassa bashing contest. But it's good for some to see that on an internal side, Bassa haven't changed. Fortunately our customers don't see any of this, and the small minority of bitter crew are slowly being pushed into the wilderness. All very sad and totally disappointing.
What these comms clearly show is that sadly Bassa have not moved on one jot from the dispute three years ago. I simply believe they are still angry with all kinds of groups for getting in the way of their masterplan re the strike, and like a naughty schoolboy, will not accept any change at all. Unfortunately as many know, DH changed the constitution to enable him to stay on for a further 27 months after being sacked by BA and collect around £5000/month as the BS ( legally I might add). Because of that simple fact, nothing was ever going to change. Unite put up with Bassa for one reason only. The cool fact that over £1M+/year is going into their coffers from Bassa means that Len McCluskey doesn't ask too many questions. Add to the fact that Bassa have endorsed him in the recent Unite leadership contest means everything is kept rosy in the garden.
As for the members emergency meeting last week re; pilot bullying and harassment, to have DH along as a guest speaker to speak on the above subject, is akin to asking King Herod to speak about baby care! It's beyond belief. They even had another vote of no confidence against the manager of cabin services. 100% yes as usual!! What exactly is that going to achieve? Just playing to the crowd.
Finally Bassa have continued to spout lies to their members on all kinds of stuff since the dispute, the latest being that ONLY union CC members will get the holiday pay due to us. That's simply not going to happen, and I'll happily come on here again when we ALL get it, to prove it. I really wish more would leave but apathy rules ok. Lucky lucky Bassa.
I won't say anymore as Tightslot has rightly said not to turn this into a Bassa bashing contest. But it's good for some to see that on an internal side, Bassa haven't changed. Fortunately our customers don't see any of this, and the small minority of bitter crew are slowly being pushed into the wilderness. All very sad and totally disappointing.
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You are incorrect, ill-informed or lying, not sure which, when you stated that "Finally Bassa have continued to spout lies to their members on all kinds of stuff since the dispute, the latest being that ONLY union CC members will get the holiday pay due to us. That's simply not going to happen, and I'll happily come on here again when we ALL get it, to prove it."
For the avoidance of doubt BASSA said the following "We must also state that it is not Unite’s intention to pursue either via legal action or through reaching an agreement, any claims for non-Unite members."
They have never stated that ONLY union CC members will get the holiday pay due - they simply stated they would not be pursuing claims for non-union members.
You lose credibility when you accuse one party of lying then spout lies to the members on here yourself.
Have a great weekend
You are incorrect, ill-informed or lying, not sure which, when you stated that "Finally Bassa have continued to spout lies to their members on all kinds of stuff since the dispute, the latest being that ONLY union CC members will get the holiday pay due to us. That's simply not going to happen, and I'll happily come on here again when we ALL get it, to prove it."
For the avoidance of doubt BASSA said the following "We must also state that it is not Unite’s intention to pursue either via legal action or through reaching an agreement, any claims for non-Unite members."
They have never stated that ONLY union CC members will get the holiday pay due - they simply stated they would not be pursuing claims for non-union members.
You lose credibility when you accuse one party of lying then spout lies to the members on here yourself.
Have a great weekend
A bit of nit picking there isn't it?
It amounts to the same thing. I am not suggesting that Unite should persue individual claims on behalf of non members but if it mounts a claim for holiday pay for cabin crew then it has to be for all cabin crew wether or not they are members.
Same thing with pay claims or agreement changes they apply to all not just members.
A change to their aggressive attitude to everything may encourage more people to consider them as a credible organisation.
It amounts to the same thing. I am not suggesting that Unite should persue individual claims on behalf of non members but if it mounts a claim for holiday pay for cabin crew then it has to be for all cabin crew wether or not they are members.
Same thing with pay claims or agreement changes they apply to all not just members.
A change to their aggressive attitude to everything may encourage more people to consider them as a credible organisation.
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Wowz
I will not stoop to your level and attempt to call people a 'troll'.
Just because somebody happens to have a contrary view does not mean one is a 'troll'.
It is people like you who ensure that Internet debate quickly becomes childish and irrelevant - there is no need nor is there a requirement for name calling - are you not adult enough to debate without resorting to immature and childish behaviour?
As an aside please do point out where I have ground any axe?
I will not stoop to your level and attempt to call people a 'troll'.
Just because somebody happens to have a contrary view does not mean one is a 'troll'.
It is people like you who ensure that Internet debate quickly becomes childish and irrelevant - there is no need nor is there a requirement for name calling - are you not adult enough to debate without resorting to immature and childish behaviour?
As an aside please do point out where I have ground any axe?
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A troll is someone who lays the bait for others to bite. Its for people to decide who is one - not the person who is. It is an annoying trait that winds people up (it's sole purpose, of course). Nevertheless, a name is only a name - whose real name is the real question......why get tangled up in this BASSA nonsense again? All you doing is feeding the trolls and the militants among us. There is NO gain in either.
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Well said ST! And The Fonz Is Cool, don't rise to the bait like I used to. You just have to come on here, browse, and have a good chuckle at the conservative neanderthal style chit chat of the Thatcher pack. There's far better forums for you to put your sensible down to earth working class banter on. Tally ho!
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I am too young to be "legacy" anything...
As you clearly don't appreciate or need your hard earned BASSA negotiated pay, terms and conditions, then please consider donating a little to a worthwhile charitable cause.
Cybercontact you again in March - keep toeing the ConDem line chaps!
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Well WW... Whilst I am sure I should feel honoured and delighted that you decided to "enlighten" me with your supposed wise words. There is no need.
I am capable of seeing BASSA for what it is, which is something I don't want to be a part of.
When BASSA decides that it is a professional organisation, not some mud slinging, illiterate group of bullies, I will once again have a minuscule semblance of respect for them, but as they are at the moment, I do wish they would be "smashed" in their current form, and replaced with something that represents the needs of EVERYONE who flies, not just the highest paid, most senior crew, and whilst they are at it, Eurofleet, that other part of the airline which continually gets forgotten.
So, please, feel free to "enlighten" other people with your vitriol.
I am capable of seeing BASSA for what it is, which is something I don't want to be a part of.
When BASSA decides that it is a professional organisation, not some mud slinging, illiterate group of bullies, I will once again have a minuscule semblance of respect for them, but as they are at the moment, I do wish they would be "smashed" in their current form, and replaced with something that represents the needs of EVERYONE who flies, not just the highest paid, most senior crew, and whilst they are at it, Eurofleet, that other part of the airline which continually gets forgotten.
So, please, feel free to "enlighten" other people with your vitriol.