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Hi guys,
I've been working for ryr for 3 weeks and actually I'm not enjoying it that much...I think everybody knows how bad are our work conditions...We get paied just when we fly, we pay our training course, we pay our uniform (and it's very very bad quality), we do not have any benefits...nothing at all (staff travel rates are just ridicolous!!!!)
The shifts sometimes are unbearable and we do 25 minutes turn around, we never get off from the aircraft,,just we land, disembark pax and prepare the cabin again...
I really woud like to know how is working for another airline, how many days off you have, working conditions, benefits...you have time to visit the cities you are flying to, your salary...
I really want to go to another airline, but I just would like to have an idea on how a cabin crew life looks like out of ryr...
Thanks for those who can help!!!
Romina
I've been working for ryr for 3 weeks and actually I'm not enjoying it that much...I think everybody knows how bad are our work conditions...We get paied just when we fly, we pay our training course, we pay our uniform (and it's very very bad quality), we do not have any benefits...nothing at all (staff travel rates are just ridicolous!!!!)
The shifts sometimes are unbearable and we do 25 minutes turn around, we never get off from the aircraft,,just we land, disembark pax and prepare the cabin again...
I really woud like to know how is working for another airline, how many days off you have, working conditions, benefits...you have time to visit the cities you are flying to, your salary...
I really want to go to another airline, but I just would like to have an idea on how a cabin crew life looks like out of ryr...
Thanks for those who can help!!!
Romina
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Sorry to hear your current predicament, but did you no one tell you about Ryanair? I really fail to see why any half sensible person would ever pay to get a job with these cowboys?
Head to a Legacy carrier where you'll have money to buy food, staff travel, time off and a life!
Head to a Legacy carrier where you'll have money to buy food, staff travel, time off and a life!
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FR's working condition for CC are well established, and were so at the time that you joined. They are one of the reasons that FR has been so financially successful. A small amount of research would have revealed everything that you needed to know. You, and your colleagues chose to take that job, and in the process, you helped make the "cabin crew lifestyle" just that little bit worse for everybody else in the industry.
Now you want our help and our sympathy? I think not.
Now you want our help and our sympathy? I think not.
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we do 25 minutes turn around, we never get off from the aircraft,,just we land, disembark pax and prepare the cabin again...
Wake up and smell the coffee pal. And yes, you have to pay for it!
Just like the passengers who fly Ryanair and complain they were 'ripped off' because they chose to ignore the contract terms or didn't read them, you should have been a bit more savvy.
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well guys, actually I was not complaining, just explaining how is the situation in ryr!Actually I read the contract, and I knew what to expect...
I do not know from where you guys are from, but in Italy now it's hard to get a job...and you are lucky if you get 1000 per month...even if you have a degree and you speak 5 languages!!!and believe me...with 1000 you can not afford the cost of life in rome, pay the bills, your flat...
Then one day your boss comes and tells they can not pay your salary, and you'll have to work part time for 700 per month... You try to get another job, but you are offered just some jobs in call centers...
Then ryr is recruiting...they tell you they will try to send you to the bases you have requested, they tell you that within one year you can get a ryr contract which is not that bad, you think you will have the opportunity to do some experience and then you can try to go to another airline...and if the alternative is to work for a call center or at Alitalia check in desk for 600 per month with a 2 months contract...well maybe you will accept ryr conditions...
Anyway I just wanted to know how is working for another airline, shifts and so on...If you do not wanna help..it's fine!
Thanks anyway....
I do not know from where you guys are from, but in Italy now it's hard to get a job...and you are lucky if you get 1000 per month...even if you have a degree and you speak 5 languages!!!and believe me...with 1000 you can not afford the cost of life in rome, pay the bills, your flat...
Then one day your boss comes and tells they can not pay your salary, and you'll have to work part time for 700 per month... You try to get another job, but you are offered just some jobs in call centers...
Then ryr is recruiting...they tell you they will try to send you to the bases you have requested, they tell you that within one year you can get a ryr contract which is not that bad, you think you will have the opportunity to do some experience and then you can try to go to another airline...and if the alternative is to work for a call center or at Alitalia check in desk for 600 per month with a 2 months contract...well maybe you will accept ryr conditions...
Anyway I just wanted to know how is working for another airline, shifts and so on...If you do not wanna help..it's fine!
Thanks anyway....
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Come on guys
People take jobs for different reasons and with someone new to the industry you may not see how the contract applies in real life until you have taken it up and started working.. by then your employed and happening.
With Low Cost Carriers don't expect too much. 25-30 minutes is a normal turnaround in today's industry. Legacy carriers sometimes have crews to clean for you whilst a lot of LCC's the crew do the cleaning up (normally except bodily fluids and bathroom accidents) It is a shame that you don't enjoy the work. But you have to find one that suits your needs and expectations. With the experience under your belt, you might have to move to get something but it could be good... A change all around. Most of you are lucky as you have alot of other ports/airlines or countries to be based from. In Australia we only have so many bases to choose from. A good friend of mine left Australia and is loving life in Dubai... just a long way home. For me staying on the aircraft not a problem. I like the idea of return to base at the end of your shift (unless issues arise) but some people would like the lay overs. Some airlines in Australia have both Airline Staff and Contracted staff so the person sharing your jumpseat may be on a high hourly rate but no security... you have benefits, security but a lower per hour rate... In Australia anything work related is tax deductable so things like uniforms, luggage, expenses are claimable.
You have to sit down and do the pros and cons. I understand that some airlines over there will hire for peak seasons and then terminate employment in a slower period. This could be a win win for you as you could explore another form of employment during the down period. e.g. Call Centre work can be fun.. I have been there and done that... and then when the season starts, start flying again.
Just because you have had a bad time with one carrier does not mean you have problems with others... and everyone should be a bit more helpful... for a person to air problems on here we should be supportive. People should never be concerned about posting genuine issues. Not every flight attendant gets Paris, first class internation... some get a Melbourne, Economy, pringles, beer and vomit bags..
With Low Cost Carriers don't expect too much. 25-30 minutes is a normal turnaround in today's industry. Legacy carriers sometimes have crews to clean for you whilst a lot of LCC's the crew do the cleaning up (normally except bodily fluids and bathroom accidents) It is a shame that you don't enjoy the work. But you have to find one that suits your needs and expectations. With the experience under your belt, you might have to move to get something but it could be good... A change all around. Most of you are lucky as you have alot of other ports/airlines or countries to be based from. In Australia we only have so many bases to choose from. A good friend of mine left Australia and is loving life in Dubai... just a long way home. For me staying on the aircraft not a problem. I like the idea of return to base at the end of your shift (unless issues arise) but some people would like the lay overs. Some airlines in Australia have both Airline Staff and Contracted staff so the person sharing your jumpseat may be on a high hourly rate but no security... you have benefits, security but a lower per hour rate... In Australia anything work related is tax deductable so things like uniforms, luggage, expenses are claimable.
You have to sit down and do the pros and cons. I understand that some airlines over there will hire for peak seasons and then terminate employment in a slower period. This could be a win win for you as you could explore another form of employment during the down period. e.g. Call Centre work can be fun.. I have been there and done that... and then when the season starts, start flying again.
Just because you have had a bad time with one carrier does not mean you have problems with others... and everyone should be a bit more helpful... for a person to air problems on here we should be supportive. People should never be concerned about posting genuine issues. Not every flight attendant gets Paris, first class internation... some get a Melbourne, Economy, pringles, beer and vomit bags..
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Hi Romina,
I am Cabin Crew for TOM - on short haul we do 60-70 minute turnarounds and we have cleaners come on and do everything apart from seat pockets and security checks. OFten you will get time (subject to flight deck) to go into the terminal to buy stuff or just have some food. Longhaul we do the sector and get off and head to the beach for anything from 24 to 168 hours!
Uniform - whilst it is not gucci we don't pay for it or replacements. The only thing that they charge for but it is not compulsory is a uniform scarf, i personally don't wear one.
Training - not bonded and not charged, the 'worst' thing about training is if your away from base you have to share hotel rooms but the hotels are usually 4* as a minimum.
Perks - we can got late rates on flights (Ł30 Ł55 or Ł125 SH MH LH) and accommodation starting from Ł5pppn. I had a week all inclusive in ACE for Ł170! and you get concessions which is a monetary value to be deducted from your holiday (obv with TOM/FCA) but you can put it towards a scheduled carrier if you wish but strict conditions apply.
Overall I would say Thomson treatment is the polar opposite to FR. Whilst I don't think bashing you for taking a job in the current climate is particularly friendly - I wouldn't waste anymore time in FR because they really are shocking!
Sorry to hear you unhappy and i wish you lots of luck in your future career.
x
I am Cabin Crew for TOM - on short haul we do 60-70 minute turnarounds and we have cleaners come on and do everything apart from seat pockets and security checks. OFten you will get time (subject to flight deck) to go into the terminal to buy stuff or just have some food. Longhaul we do the sector and get off and head to the beach for anything from 24 to 168 hours!
Uniform - whilst it is not gucci we don't pay for it or replacements. The only thing that they charge for but it is not compulsory is a uniform scarf, i personally don't wear one.
Training - not bonded and not charged, the 'worst' thing about training is if your away from base you have to share hotel rooms but the hotels are usually 4* as a minimum.
Perks - we can got late rates on flights (Ł30 Ł55 or Ł125 SH MH LH) and accommodation starting from Ł5pppn. I had a week all inclusive in ACE for Ł170! and you get concessions which is a monetary value to be deducted from your holiday (obv with TOM/FCA) but you can put it towards a scheduled carrier if you wish but strict conditions apply.
Overall I would say Thomson treatment is the polar opposite to FR. Whilst I don't think bashing you for taking a job in the current climate is particularly friendly - I wouldn't waste anymore time in FR because they really are shocking!
Sorry to hear you unhappy and i wish you lots of luck in your future career.
x
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Perhaps it would have been fairer to suggest that you should have done a little investigation before accepting a job with a company known to treat its employees and customers with contempt. Have you seen Michael O'Leary on TV?
I was once offered a contract with a company that I had my doubts. I asked HR if I could talkto some past employees. They said no. I contacted some anyway and they all advised me not to touch the job with a bargepole.
Anyway, good luck, I hope you find a better job with a company that appreciates you, there are plenty out there.
I was once offered a contract with a company that I had my doubts. I asked HR if I could talkto some past employees. They said no. I contacted some anyway and they all advised me not to touch the job with a bargepole.
Anyway, good luck, I hope you find a better job with a company that appreciates you, there are plenty out there.
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Hi Romina,
I am really sorry to hear that the condititions of the job are harder than you expected. A lot of cc at legacy airlines also leave within the first year, because no one can prepare you for all the stuff that is part of the job, good and bad.
Can I if you can bear it hang in there a tiny bit longer for the experience, - it looks better on your resume (only if you can cope though - don't make yourself miserable - money is not that important).
Consider maybe doing a not too expensive correspondence or tafe, or even give your time to a charity for work experience etc course to get a few more skills so you can get work in other jobs, and other industries. A lot of employers will view your customer service experience highly.
But seriously, your happiness is way more important than anything, so get out now, before you get stuck, if it makes you feel bad going to work. A lot of cabin crew get stuck in a job they hate, making themselves and everyone around them miserable.
Some people stay as cc cause they think it is glamourous, but as you have found out there is not really any glamour, in a low cost or a legacy carrier. Its very hard work. Scrubbing toilets after people have done what they needed to, out of either end, yeah very glam!
I am really sorry to hear that the condititions of the job are harder than you expected. A lot of cc at legacy airlines also leave within the first year, because no one can prepare you for all the stuff that is part of the job, good and bad.
Can I if you can bear it hang in there a tiny bit longer for the experience, - it looks better on your resume (only if you can cope though - don't make yourself miserable - money is not that important).
Consider maybe doing a not too expensive correspondence or tafe, or even give your time to a charity for work experience etc course to get a few more skills so you can get work in other jobs, and other industries. A lot of employers will view your customer service experience highly.
But seriously, your happiness is way more important than anything, so get out now, before you get stuck, if it makes you feel bad going to work. A lot of cabin crew get stuck in a job they hate, making themselves and everyone around them miserable.
Some people stay as cc cause they think it is glamourous, but as you have found out there is not really any glamour, in a low cost or a legacy carrier. Its very hard work. Scrubbing toilets after people have done what they needed to, out of either end, yeah very glam!
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Scrubbing a toilet? I work for neither low cost or legacy and I don't or wouldn't scrub any toilets! My own at home is enough thank you!!!
Seriously though, these questions should of been asked before signing in the dotted line...
Seriously though, these questions should of been asked before signing in the dotted line...
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I can only concur there, BT. If it's so bad that it needs scrubbing, the toilet involved just goes INOP, end of story.
Inside the bowl, you can do a lot with hot water and instant coffee though, without even touching anything. But that's just about as far as I'll go.
Inside the bowl, you can do a lot with hot water and instant coffee though, without even touching anything. But that's just about as far as I'll go.
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Over 80 RYR destinations do not have radar cover and/or require flight through Class E airspace ( which means that aircraft do not need to talk to air traffic control if they want to fly in such airspace ). How many cabin crew know what this means ?
RYR manuals require pilots to always establish that their intended flight path is clear of traffic. If they are in cloud with no radar cover..............think about it. How can the pilots do this ? Ask your Captain how it works, then update your CV.
RYR manuals require pilots to always establish that their intended flight path is clear of traffic. If they are in cloud with no radar cover..............think about it. How can the pilots do this ? Ask your Captain how it works, then update your CV.
Airspace class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Class E: Operations may be conducted under IFR, SVFR, or VFR. Aircraft operating under IFR and SVFR are separated from each other, and are subject to ATC clearance. Flights under VFR are not subject to ATC clearance. As far as is practical, traffic information is given to all flights in respect of VFR flights."
HINT: If they're in solid cloud then the chances of a collision with VFR traffic are zero, as there is no VFR traffic under instrumental meteorological conditions. If visibility is OK then they just look out the bloody window, like everybody else!
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What you mention are valid concerns, however they relate to (possible) inadequacies in general rules as regarding airspace classification and access to the same. They have nothing to do directly with Ryanair and your associating these concerns exclusively with Ryanair is somewhat specious, to say the least. Methinks you´ve got an axe to grind with them but it has nothing to do with airspace classification. 
By the way, if pilots are not looking out, I wonder who is filing all hose AIRPROX reports?
Must be the radar guys... no wait! There is no radar coverage! The sky is falling! Or at least the parts of it that are still Class E.
HINT: You´ll hardly find a spot within continental Europe with no radar coverage, what you will find are areas where no "separation" is provided as a service, just because an area is classed as "E" does not mean it is impenetrable to radio waves. More often than not those reports you speak of have radar plots attached, guess where they do originate from?
Who I am is of no concern to you, let´s just say I´m some guy who things that trying to fight Ryanair with sensationalistic, emotional bollocks might not be such a great idea, not to mention morally questionable. M´kay?
By the way, if pilots are not looking out, I wonder who is filing all hose AIRPROX reports?
Must be the radar guys... no wait! There is no radar coverage! The sky is falling! Or at least the parts of it that are still Class E.HINT: You´ll hardly find a spot within continental Europe with no radar coverage, what you will find are areas where no "separation" is provided as a service, just because an area is classed as "E" does not mean it is impenetrable to radio waves.
More often than not those reports you speak of have radar plots attached, guess where they do originate from?Who I am is of no concern to you, let´s just say I´m some guy who things that trying to fight Ryanair with sensationalistic, emotional bollocks might not be such a great idea, not to mention morally questionable. M´kay?
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is discussing what airspace we are in part of cabin crew life style?? Or did we get of topic...?
According to him/her you risked your life every time you flew with Ryanair, I'd tend to agree with the view that dying would have a major impact on anybody's lifestyle. 
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Sure, in that case. No life style.
But what is the life style with say Emirates or Qatar? I mean if you ask any pilot they would say that those are the airlines where all the good conditions are is it the same for cabin crew?
But what is the life style with say Emirates or Qatar? I mean if you ask any pilot they would say that those are the airlines where all the good conditions are is it the same for cabin crew?
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You, and your colleagues chose to take that job, and in the
process, you helped make the "cabin crew lifestyle" just that
little bit worse for everybody else in the industry.
process, you helped make the "cabin crew lifestyle" just that
little bit worse for everybody else in the industry.
the other side of the cockpit door for every driver who goes
and chooses to work for these crummy low-class outfits.
To the original poster - whether or not you work for a ratbag
mob you will find being cabin crew is nothing but hard work
once all the gloss and sheen wears off - no such thing as THE
perfect job anymore anywhere. So pick a carrier that matches
the lifestyle you want in concert with desired salary and avoid
these "pay for training" thugs like the plague. But more often
than not what you'll settle for will likely lead to you having to
move away from your home country.
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Couldn't agree more AirborneSoon but I fear that we are wasting our time as a quick look at the CC Wannabes Forum will reveal. The posts there are nearly all 'lifestyle' related: I am unaware of any single post, ever, that has asked about, or discussed, the actual work that we do on-board.