easyjet F/A fired for reporting the Captain
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easyjet F/A fired for reporting the Captain
In french, sorry, but quite easy to understand.
She reported the Captain the day after, as he had been taking a female pilot he knew in the cockpit... and she was sacked.
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She reported the Captain the day after, as he had been taking a female pilot he knew in the cockpit... and she was sacked.
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It appears that in EZ just like in real life, might wins over right.
Then again, are those rules forbidding a captain to allow whom he/she pleases in to the cockpit "right" or just nonsensical, hysterical, pretend-safety idiocy?
Even if EZ rules do not allow a captain to do what he did in this case, why did she feel the need to report it?
Did she feel that him allowing another pilot (whom he knew) into the cockpit posed a real threat to safety?
If she had not reported it, and it had later come to light, would she have been held accountable for what a captain did? Not very likely.
It´s a murky story, and if what that journalist writes is factually correct, neither EZ management nor the FA come out of it very well.
Still, most media stories bear little relation to the facts, so who knows what really happened here.
Then again, are those rules forbidding a captain to allow whom he/she pleases in to the cockpit "right" or just nonsensical, hysterical, pretend-safety idiocy?
Even if EZ rules do not allow a captain to do what he did in this case, why did she feel the need to report it?
Did she feel that him allowing another pilot (whom he knew) into the cockpit posed a real threat to safety?
If she had not reported it, and it had later come to light, would she have been held accountable for what a captain did? Not very likely.
It´s a murky story, and if what that journalist writes is factually correct, neither EZ management nor the FA come out of it very well.
Still, most media stories bear little relation to the facts, so who knows what really happened here.
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Still, most media stories bear little relation to the facts, so who knows what really happened here.
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The first thing we need to find out is the state the aircraft was registered in, perhaps some one with much better French than I have can clear this up.
Not all states have the utterly stupid regulations that the UK has with regard to who the Captain can let into the cockpit.
I find it most refreshing that some states trust to the judgment of the Captain of the aircraft in these matters rather than to a bunch of faceless idiots who make rules with no idea of end result.
All that having been said on the face of this it seems rather harsh to fire someone for reporting this happening to the managment, I am sure that we are only getting half the story.
Not all states have the utterly stupid regulations that the UK has with regard to who the Captain can let into the cockpit.
I find it most refreshing that some states trust to the judgment of the Captain of the aircraft in these matters rather than to a bunch of faceless idiots who make rules with no idea of end result.
All that having been said on the face of this it seems rather harsh to fire someone for reporting this happening to the managment, I am sure that we are only getting half the story.
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Easyjet Switzerland Fleet
Just because I assume that the media aren't really sure of the difference between easyjet and it's subsidiary which is the fact on which I assume you base your post.
Sorry I've lost the gift of good grammar in this post.
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Poor Swiss after all they've done for us! 
(Chocolate, Clocks, outrageous beer tabs in GVA....)
I have to say though I have had a look and can't easily find an answer to the question on Cockpit access in Switzerland - I'd be surprised if it was much different to the UK to be honest especially given the FA, one would assume, had a reson to report the cockpit access.
(Chocolate, Clocks, outrageous beer tabs in GVA....)I have to say though I have had a look and can't easily find an answer to the question on Cockpit access in Switzerland - I'd be surprised if it was much different to the UK to be honest especially given the FA, one would assume, had a reson to report the cockpit access.
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I have read the article, and two things I think are relevant:
1) The company denies she was fired for reporting the captain, who was rightly sanctioned for carrying a passenger without a ticket (but not, as the Office Fédéral de l’Aviation Civile admitted, for endangering the security of the flight according to Swiss rules)
2) She not only reported the captain to the company (that already took action), but also to the Office Fédéral de l’Aviation Civile (OFAC), the equivalent of the British CAA.
Draw your conclusions...
1) The company denies she was fired for reporting the captain, who was rightly sanctioned for carrying a passenger without a ticket (but not, as the Office Fédéral de l’Aviation Civile admitted, for endangering the security of the flight according to Swiss rules)
2) She not only reported the captain to the company (that already took action), but also to the Office Fédéral de l’Aviation Civile (OFAC), the equivalent of the British CAA.
Draw your conclusions...
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...Cockpit access in Switzerland - I'd be surprised if it was much different to the UK to be honest
For security in the UK and US to improve, you've got to get the right people to run the system. What would you say to your children if said they wanted to be airport security staff when they grew up? Exactly. We are also unfortunate in that the people who are employed by airport security are the very people who should have nothing to do with it. The only reason they work in these jobs is because they can find employment anywhere else. And the 'best' of these rise up through the ranks to create the policies which we have to suffer each day.
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A first class post that sums up the total stupidity of the UK security system that is a product of the politicly correct Nu Laba nanny state.
The whole system is viewed with utter contempt by most in the industry for being the best way to turn low grade labour into huge proffits, the management of these companys ramp up the security situation to increase proffits and most of the civil servents are too gutless to oppose them.
The DoT currently has a security consultation running, I recoment that all in the UK who involved take part, one of the issues is should CHIRP be given an offical role within the system.
CHIRP have been pushing the CRM shortcomings of the security system for some time but from outside the system (just the way the security industry wants it!) as being judge and jury in its own court is just fine by the security people.
My submision to the consultation is along the lines that the self perpetuating security parasites must be kept under control, on the operational level by an independant body and from the CRM perspective by CHIRP.
I urge all those of you who have to endure the UK security farse on a daily basis to take part in this consultation and try to rid the aviation industry of the worst excesses of these security parasites.
The whole system is viewed with utter contempt by most in the industry for being the best way to turn low grade labour into huge proffits, the management of these companys ramp up the security situation to increase proffits and most of the civil servents are too gutless to oppose them.
The DoT currently has a security consultation running, I recoment that all in the UK who involved take part, one of the issues is should CHIRP be given an offical role within the system.
CHIRP have been pushing the CRM shortcomings of the security system for some time but from outside the system (just the way the security industry wants it!) as being judge and jury in its own court is just fine by the security people.
My submision to the consultation is along the lines that the self perpetuating security parasites must be kept under control, on the operational level by an independant body and from the CRM perspective by CHIRP.
I urge all those of you who have to endure the UK security farse on a daily basis to take part in this consultation and try to rid the aviation industry of the worst excesses of these security parasites.
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another FA who think she is the commander! after 4 week course and 0euro invested in her license.
it s like these nurses who think to know all,and treat patients without doctor's order.
captain has FINAL AUTHORITY! based on this, he can accept who he want, he can kick out who he want...even OFAC can not go against his decision.
it s like these nurses who think to know all,and treat patients without doctor's order.
captain has FINAL AUTHORITY! based on this, he can accept who he want, he can kick out who he want...even OFAC can not go against his decision.
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Apparently she had done this reporting idiocy, then she was stongly suspected of having been involved in a bomb phone threat in UK (but without proof obviously) then probably add some attitude problems - so reporting the Captain was the last nail in the coffin - BYE BYE !!
I know an Irish airline where the purser reported the Captain "for turbulences unavoided during the flight" to get revenge as she had been arguing with him beginning of the flight for a passenger matter, and she wanted to be the one "in charge of everything behind" .... BYE BYE also !
Good it happens from time to time.
I know an Irish airline where the purser reported the Captain "for turbulences unavoided during the flight" to get revenge as she had been arguing with him beginning of the flight for a passenger matter, and she wanted to be the one "in charge of everything behind" .... BYE BYE also !
Good it happens from time to time.
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bondim, on the aircraft, they are God.
That´s just the way it is, and if we as cabin crew can not accept that without resentment, we should get a different job.
The good Gods are knowledgeable and benevolent. They know what they don´t know, and delegate accordingly. They treat all crew members with respect, yet do not hesitate to enforce their decisions when necessary. They always take the end responsibility and stand in front of their crew when (management) sh!t hits the fan.
They are leaders in the best sense of the word, and a pleasure to work with.
The bad Gods KNOW they know it all, and are a malevolent influence. They throw their weight around in a way that antagonises others and creates a sullen atmosphere. They treat cabin crew with thinly veiled disdain, micro manage what happens on both sides of the cockpit door yet are nowhere to be seen when trouble arrives.
They are self important bullies and a nightmare to work with.
Thankfully, there are many more of the first than of the second variety.
IMO, good, professional cabin crew will work with both these extremes and all variations in between, to jointly ensure a safe and comfortable flight for the pax.
... a frustration-venting post on PPRuNe is a good way to let off steam after a flight with a God of the Second Variety. I speak from experience.
That´s just the way it is, and if we as cabin crew can not accept that without resentment, we should get a different job.
The good Gods are knowledgeable and benevolent. They know what they don´t know, and delegate accordingly. They treat all crew members with respect, yet do not hesitate to enforce their decisions when necessary. They always take the end responsibility and stand in front of their crew when (management) sh!t hits the fan.
They are leaders in the best sense of the word, and a pleasure to work with.
The bad Gods KNOW they know it all, and are a malevolent influence. They throw their weight around in a way that antagonises others and creates a sullen atmosphere. They treat cabin crew with thinly veiled disdain, micro manage what happens on both sides of the cockpit door yet are nowhere to be seen when trouble arrives.
They are self important bullies and a nightmare to work with.
Thankfully, there are many more of the first than of the second variety.
IMO, good, professional cabin crew will work with both these extremes and all variations in between, to jointly ensure a safe and comfortable flight for the pax.
... a frustration-venting post on PPRuNe is a good way to let off steam after a flight with a God of the Second Variety. I speak from experience.
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a FA who go against the authority of a captain has no place in this industry.
the captain has his crew, his plane ,his license and his power.he has final authority. It 's printed black on white.Even the OFAC can not do anything against the captain' decision.He can even break air laws if he wants.
Easy was right to kick this lady out, she can find another job.
what is the job of a FA ?answer: take care of the cabin. do you have any authority in the cockpit? which one?
if you want take decisons on board of an airplane , become a pilot first, then you can play with rules as much you want.
the captain has his crew, his plane ,his license and his power.he has final authority. It 's printed black on white.Even the OFAC can not do anything against the captain' decision.He can even break air laws if he wants.
Easy was right to kick this lady out, she can find another job.
what is the job of a FA ?answer: take care of the cabin. do you have any authority in the cockpit? which one?
if you want take decisons on board of an airplane , become a pilot first, then you can play with rules as much you want.
Good day
It was Easyjet Switzerland and according to the newspaper her release was not because of reporting the Cpt. but rather because of another "story"!
You have to know the the newspaper "Le Matin" is like "The Sun" in UK. Kind of low level journalism...
Have a good one!
It was Easyjet Switzerland and according to the newspaper her release was not because of reporting the Cpt. but rather because of another "story"!
You have to know the the newspaper "Le Matin" is like "The Sun" in UK. Kind of low level journalism...
Have a good one!