BA CC industrial relations (current airline staff only)
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Sky sources say that BA cabin crew have voted by more than eight to one in favour of further industrial action.
Some 5,811 Unite members voted yes, sources say, but dates for industrial action have yet to be set.
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Some 5,811 Unite members voted yes, sources say, but dates for industrial action have yet to be set.
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A friend of mine just emailed me this info
6985 returned papers down 350 on the last vote
5811 yes votes up 60 on the last vote
1170 no votes down 400 on the last vote
Seems to me the same people are voting, 350 of last years NO voters have moved into the can't be bothered to vote camp and 60 have decided to change their minds and vote YES.
All in all same old same old. Not enough to give UNITE confidence to call a vote and not enough to disrupt the operation if they are stupid enough to do so.
6985 returned papers down 350 on the last vote
5811 yes votes up 60 on the last vote
1170 no votes down 400 on the last vote
Seems to me the same people are voting, 350 of last years NO voters have moved into the can't be bothered to vote camp and 60 have decided to change their minds and vote YES.
All in all same old same old. Not enough to give UNITE confidence to call a vote and not enough to disrupt the operation if they are stupid enough to do so.
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When reading the numbers I'm bearing in mind the fact that DH stated the ballot would probably not result in an actual strike, that has to be worth a few yes votes that wouldnt have been so I think.
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Trade press are reporting :
Of about 9,700 crew polled, 83% of the 6,981 who returned valid voting papers voted for strike action.
5,811 crew voted for strike action, and 1,170 voted against. Turnout was 72% and only four voting papers returned were invalid.
or compared to the 14000 BA crew....
41.5% of total work force voted yes..
Of course only approx 9700 are UNITE members so thats less than 60% of memebers entitled to voted actually voted yes and 28 percent of those entitled to vote (Bassa & CC89) werent that bothered to even return a ballot paper.
The numbers dont tell of a workforce wholy committed to strike action.
Of about 9,700 crew polled, 83% of the 6,981 who returned valid voting papers voted for strike action.
5,811 crew voted for strike action, and 1,170 voted against. Turnout was 72% and only four voting papers returned were invalid.
or compared to the 14000 BA crew....
41.5% of total work force voted yes..
Of course only approx 9700 are UNITE members so thats less than 60% of memebers entitled to voted actually voted yes and 28 percent of those entitled to vote (Bassa & CC89) werent that bothered to even return a ballot paper.
The numbers dont tell of a workforce wholy committed to strike action.
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The latest cabin crew strike ballot closed today with a majority of those who took part supporting further industrial action.
There was an 83 per cent vote in favour of strike action, with 72 per cent of Unite’s cabin crew members taking part in the ballot.
Unite did not announce strike dates.
Len McCluskey, Unite general secretary, said: "We continue to be in discussions with the company to find a solution to this long-running dispute."
There was an 83 per cent vote in favour of strike action, with 72 per cent of Unite’s cabin crew members taking part in the ballot.
Unite did not announce strike dates.
Len McCluskey, Unite general secretary, said: "We continue to be in discussions with the company to find a solution to this long-running dispute."
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boring boring boring
Quite frankly I expect most of the flying public are totally bored with this story and will just ignore the antics of the few. BA proved months ago that they could operate quite well enough, thank you and since then things have surely only strengthened their hand.
Tomorrow I am flying revenue to NY and will look out for smiles all round.
Who cares any more?
Tomorrow I am flying revenue to NY and will look out for smiles all round.
Who cares any more?
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DH on Sky News
He was asked why 'he' was going on strike! He replied that 'it keeps getting worse, BA bullying anybody who dares to go on strike, have been denied promotion, denied pay,been denied transfers and part time work.
He was asked his opinion regarding BA's contingency plan and the fact that BA would be able to 'take off as normal even if there is a strike'. His reply-
'British Airways flights don't take off normally even when there's no strike, they run out of crews!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm obviously missing something here!!!!!!!
He was asked his opinion regarding BA's contingency plan and the fact that BA would be able to 'take off as normal even if there is a strike'. His reply-
'British Airways flights don't take off normally even when there's no strike, they run out of crews!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm obviously missing something here!!!!!!!
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No matter what you think.
When almost 6000 people vote that they are willing to take part in strike action dont you think that speaks volumes about the state of feeling/ industrial relationals within BA ?
When almost 6000 people vote that they are willing to take part in strike action dont you think that speaks volumes about the state of feeling/ industrial relationals within BA ?
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When almost 6000 people vote that they are willing to take part in strike action dont you think that speaks volumes about the state of feeling/ industrial relationals within BA ?
BA's past management may have been responsible for the over inflation of IFCEs collective ego but thats well in the past. This management are just responsible for pricking that ego
When almost 6000 people vote that they are willing to take part in strike action dont you think that speaks volumes about the state of feeling/ industrial relationals within BA ?
As have been proved in the past....its one thing to vote for industrial action, its quite another to actually take part.
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There won't be a strike. BASSA Reps have been telling crew that they fly with that the next step will be to announce strike dates, then cancel them. Then Re-ballot, round and around the BASSA merry go round until BA gives into their demands.
The reason is that members have expressed concern about the financial implications of further IA. So BASSA's strategy is to just cancel and re-ballot as they know they will not have the support they had last time.
I have heard this from quite a few sources, but does anyone know if they can do this? Surely if they cancel they have no justification to re-ballot?
The reason is that members have expressed concern about the financial implications of further IA. So BASSA's strategy is to just cancel and re-ballot as they know they will not have the support they had last time.
I have heard this from quite a few sources, but does anyone know if they can do this? Surely if they cancel they have no justification to re-ballot?
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The Moo:
Actually 5811 is 43% of the entire CC workforce but still a significant number. However, striking has achieved nothing, clearly further strikes will have the same or less effect hence the cancel/re-ballot strategy.
How would you see this playing out now for the situation to be resolved? I agree it's a very sad state of affairs but really it's only 6,000 out of some 40,000 employees that feel aggrieved, what would you do if you were CEO?
Actually 5811 is 43% of the entire CC workforce but still a significant number. However, striking has achieved nothing, clearly further strikes will have the same or less effect hence the cancel/re-ballot strategy.
How would you see this playing out now for the situation to be resolved? I agree it's a very sad state of affairs but really it's only 6,000 out of some 40,000 employees that feel aggrieved, what would you do if you were CEO?
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Moo, it does say something. I'm just not sure what it is that is says. I have four friends that voted yes in every ballot but went to work every time. They have voted yes again and will no doubt go to work again if there is another strike. To me that says more about them than the state of industrial relations within IFCE. It also says a lot about the unions ability to mould thought ( but not the final action in these four cases).
No matter what we see from the numbers, I am convinced that the overwhelming majority of CC just want it to be over and done with, leaving only a handful of people that want to see it continue. Sadly most of them are no longer employed by BA, a situation that could have been avoided by negotiating in the beginning.
No matter what we see from the numbers, I am convinced that the overwhelming majority of CC just want it to be over and done with, leaving only a handful of people that want to see it continue. Sadly most of them are no longer employed by BA, a situation that could have been avoided by negotiating in the beginning.
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To solve the issues my take would be.
Restore all staff travel as it's a no cost and you could sell it to " backing ba people as we have punished them for a yr "
Loss of crew member or 2 . get over it we have coped unless you have a lazy t@%t of a csd.
Sackings - Some people deserved it and some didn't so let an idependent people have a look.
New fleet will work or won't. We can't legally change that.
Restore all staff travel as it's a no cost and you could sell it to " backing ba people as we have punished them for a yr "
Loss of crew member or 2 . get over it we have coped unless you have a lazy t@%t of a csd.
Sackings - Some people deserved it and some didn't so let an idependent people have a look.
New fleet will work or won't. We can't legally change that.
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The Moo
(This post was in response to The Moo's previous post, not the one above which was posted at the same time as this)
It is a sad state of affairs, you're right, and I would imagine that a total of 5811 people on this planet blame BA. That's particularly sad, as those people, with every passing day, are making things worse for themselves. The rest of us are pointing at BASSA's incompetence for this sad state of affairs. If their mistakes weren't so serious it would be a comedy of errors.
Please don't take this personally The Moo (I'm not sure which side of the fence you're on), but;
It needs to be remembered that BA came after every department for cuts, and every group apart from BASSA played ball. BASSA members really need to wake up and smell the coffee....with each ballot that BASSA have messed up so far things have got worse, BASSA have gradually been discredited and weakened, and BA have grown stronger. We've yet to see if this latest ballot was legal or not........on past performance it's anybody's guess. In any case a strike will have very little effect on the operation as BA are good at fighting strikes now thanks to BASSA. If, as previously suggested, DH is plotting to announce strikes without intending to actually 'down tools' I hope BA sue BASSA out of existence.
What are BASSA members thinking? You have an incompetent leadership taking your money, stuffing it into their pockets apparently without keeping proper accounts, and stumbling likes drunkards into every single obstacle, many of which were put there by themselves! And 42% of BA cabin crew (by my calculations; 5811/14000) are cheerily following them! Haven't any of you told them they're not very good at what they do? This isn't a game you know....your continued support for these so-called leaders is pure lunacy.
The title of this thread is 'BA CC industrial relations', and that the BA CC industrial relations is currently a sad state of affairs is the fault of LM, DH and anyone who supports them.
I give up.
It is a sad state of affairs, you're right, and I would imagine that a total of 5811 people on this planet blame BA. That's particularly sad, as those people, with every passing day, are making things worse for themselves. The rest of us are pointing at BASSA's incompetence for this sad state of affairs. If their mistakes weren't so serious it would be a comedy of errors.
Please don't take this personally The Moo (I'm not sure which side of the fence you're on), but;
It needs to be remembered that BA came after every department for cuts, and every group apart from BASSA played ball. BASSA members really need to wake up and smell the coffee....with each ballot that BASSA have messed up so far things have got worse, BASSA have gradually been discredited and weakened, and BA have grown stronger. We've yet to see if this latest ballot was legal or not........on past performance it's anybody's guess. In any case a strike will have very little effect on the operation as BA are good at fighting strikes now thanks to BASSA. If, as previously suggested, DH is plotting to announce strikes without intending to actually 'down tools' I hope BA sue BASSA out of existence.
What are BASSA members thinking? You have an incompetent leadership taking your money, stuffing it into their pockets apparently without keeping proper accounts, and stumbling likes drunkards into every single obstacle, many of which were put there by themselves! And 42% of BA cabin crew (by my calculations; 5811/14000) are cheerily following them! Haven't any of you told them they're not very good at what they do? This isn't a game you know....your continued support for these so-called leaders is pure lunacy.
The title of this thread is 'BA CC industrial relations', and that the BA CC industrial relations is currently a sad state of affairs is the fault of LM, DH and anyone who supports them.
I give up.
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So over 83% then looks like all the VCC's will be over the moon with this result a chance to back the regime once again enjoying a nice Easter break in Lagos,Doha,Miami and many more super destinations. Oh so Bassa doesn't have the backing how wrong most of you were in thinking that. I know the fight for survival is still on alas the £2,000,000,000 in the bank just doesn't seem enough anymore has anyone seen the light yet ???? Let's hope Keith and Len can find a deal if not it will be burger and chips for lunch at Bedfont once again. Good result my Bassa friends keeping the faith once again.
