BA CC industrial relations (current airline staff only)
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Licence
Sorry to butt in.
CC are licensed to work on aircraft after undergoing the required training. (verb - permitted or allowed)
As such they have licence to do so.(noun - figurative - permission)
What they don't possess is a piece of paper that says e.g. 'Crew Operating Licence for Fokker Friendship' on it.(noun - tangible - self-explanatory)
Hope that helps.
PS a private messager even more pedantic than I points out that training and attestation to it is the only requirement by law for CC to operate. So, CC definitely never possess a Licence as such, as opposed to pilots who are required to.
Hope that helps more.
CC are licensed to work on aircraft after undergoing the required training. (verb - permitted or allowed)
As such they have licence to do so.(noun - figurative - permission)
What they don't possess is a piece of paper that says e.g. 'Crew Operating Licence for Fokker Friendship' on it.(noun - tangible - self-explanatory)
Hope that helps.
PS a private messager even more pedantic than I points out that training and attestation to it is the only requirement by law for CC to operate. So, CC definitely never possess a Licence as such, as opposed to pilots who are required to.
Hope that helps more.
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Mrpony: I too am confused when I hear BA cabin crew refer to their licence. (Ask to see it!)
I had to refer to the GCSE English website when I read MissM's post:
Apologies to our friends in the USA where they use "license" as a noun.
Enough thread creep perhaps, how is the ballot going?
I had to refer to the GCSE English website when I read MissM's post:
Licence is a noun, license is a verb. Before learning to drive, you apply for a provisional driving licence, but the DVLA must license you to drive.
Enough thread creep perhaps, how is the ballot going?
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The concept of a "license" has been introduced as part of the "bigging up" process.
What I fail to understand is why it upsets you all so much? What can it possibly matter what qualification we have to operate an aircraft or what name we give it? It is just a name - get over it because we have this same discussion every couple of thousand posts! It really does appear to be petty and small minded.
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Ottergirl,
To be honest, as flight crew, I don't really care, most of us don't really care infact no-one apart from the most pedantic care.
As long as you are qualified to operate the hardware you are on then that is good enough for me. I have to have a smelly green folder in the rare case the CAA/Local Authorities wish to see it, you need only to be certified by the company to operate. That is all.
So, can we now get on with the discussion? Where does the recent court ruling on non eligible ballots leave BASSA/Unite as the majority of injunctions were based on that premise?
To be honest, as flight crew, I don't really care, most of us don't really care infact no-one apart from the most pedantic care.
As long as you are qualified to operate the hardware you are on then that is good enough for me. I have to have a smelly green folder in the rare case the CAA/Local Authorities wish to see it, you need only to be certified by the company to operate. That is all.
So, can we now get on with the discussion? Where does the recent court ruling on non eligible ballots leave BASSA/Unite as the majority of injunctions were based on that premise?
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does anyone have an indication of which way the ballot will go?
I think that voting for a strike that your leader has already said probably won’t result in a strike and even if it does most likely won’t result in you actually striking, will generate a yes majority of those that are still in the union and bother to vote.
I personally don’t think there is much doubt about that. I also think that any result generated under such circumstances has absolutely no meaning whatsoever.
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What is the timescale for the current ballot, please? Also, does anyone have an indication of which way the ballot will go?
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Interesting to note that the company is latching on to all things Conservative at the moment
Having shafted everyones pensions by switching from RPI to CPI the talk from Mp's today on the police is 'why should anyone get a yearly pay scale rise for doing the same job'
What betting 'pay scales at BA to be reviewed'
Having shafted everyones pensions by switching from RPI to CPI the talk from Mp's today on the police is 'why should anyone get a yearly pay scale rise for doing the same job'
What betting 'pay scales at BA to be reviewed'
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Stormin' - it's definitely on the agenda. If you can get on the intranet, the People dept's Inform newsletter for January 2010 mentions moving from an entitlement culture to a culture where pay is earned. This was in relation to the A-scales but you can be sure other areas would have been in the frame eventually. However, this was during Tony McCarthy's tenure and it remains to be seen if this has changed at all. I suspect not.
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With every thing else going on in the "Bassa V's BA fight" have Bassa informed the membership of the flight time limitation changes that are being pushed forward by EASA supported by ALL european airlines NOT JUST BA.
If these changes happen we can all say goodbye to our lives as we know it today.
Our agreements WILL BE CHANGED BY IMPOSITION
Crews I have spoken to have no idea its on its way, I hope they do not represent the majority of the work force, but if they are then the union has really let its members down..
If these changes happen we can all say goodbye to our lives as we know it today.
Our agreements WILL BE CHANGED BY IMPOSITION
Crews I have spoken to have no idea its on its way, I hope they do not represent the majority of the work force, but if they are then the union has really let its members down..
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EASA Proposals
Spot on Ltn & Beyond.
The changes being proposed by EASA are going to change all of our lives if they are implemented..... 7Hr 30 Minimum Rest anybody?
BALPA have thoroughly briefed the membership about the proposed changes and how we can formally object. Has BASSA been so thorough?
Ignore this at your peril, the HMRC debacle should not be allowed to repeat itself - the unions have a responsibilty to keep their membership informed of all matters that affect the members.
Tunnel vision?????
The changes being proposed by EASA are going to change all of our lives if they are implemented..... 7Hr 30 Minimum Rest anybody?
BALPA have thoroughly briefed the membership about the proposed changes and how we can formally object. Has BASSA been so thorough?
Ignore this at your peril, the HMRC debacle should not be allowed to repeat itself - the unions have a responsibilty to keep their membership informed of all matters that affect the members.
Tunnel vision?????
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Too late, consultation finishes on 20th March 2011.
Whilst BASSA has been fiddling around at Bedfont and dreaming up squalid campaigns for their members whilst simultaneously lying to them, the Elephant in the room is going to have far more impact on the working lives of their members than taking the CSD out of the office ever did.
Members should be sueing them for wilful neglect!
Whilst BASSA has been fiddling around at Bedfont and dreaming up squalid campaigns for their members whilst simultaneously lying to them, the Elephant in the room is going to have far more impact on the working lives of their members than taking the CSD out of the office ever did.
Members should be sueing them for wilful neglect!
EASA FTL proposals will never have been on BASSA or Unite's radars. Lets face it, DH, LM & Co can't spell EASA, never mind know whats coming. They are too busy attempting to push their trite and irrelevant agenda. 
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I would just like to make a point that some of you seem to be forgetting with regards to WW and E/F cabin crew.
We work to separate agreements to scheme which can only be altered with the agreement of our representatives (Bassa and Amicus at present). Although we work within scheme rules, sometimes our own agreements are more restrictive, such as how much rest we get after a flight and how many total hours we can work in a 5, 6 or 7 day period for example on E/F and days off after trips ( Minimum base turnarounds) for WW etc.
So unlike Mixed Fleet and our pilot colleagues who work to scheme rules, the only thing affecting WW and E/F crew will be the total number of hours per year of 900 at present and in the past there was no limit and we functioned fine then.
I have not been happy with Bassa's performance during this strike but I am sure they are aware of the changes of this legislation and have been looking at how this will affect cabin crew. They are not completely useless!
I have myself signed the offer and it specifically says that BA will honour my current working agreements and they will remain the same unless amended through negotiation.
Just my take on the situation, not the views of BA.
We work to separate agreements to scheme which can only be altered with the agreement of our representatives (Bassa and Amicus at present). Although we work within scheme rules, sometimes our own agreements are more restrictive, such as how much rest we get after a flight and how many total hours we can work in a 5, 6 or 7 day period for example on E/F and days off after trips ( Minimum base turnarounds) for WW etc.
So unlike Mixed Fleet and our pilot colleagues who work to scheme rules, the only thing affecting WW and E/F crew will be the total number of hours per year of 900 at present and in the past there was no limit and we functioned fine then.
I have not been happy with Bassa's performance during this strike but I am sure they are aware of the changes of this legislation and have been looking at how this will affect cabin crew. They are not completely useless!
I have myself signed the offer and it specifically says that BA will honour my current working agreements and they will remain the same unless amended through negotiation.
Just my take on the situation, not the views of BA.