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BA shut down the offices of BASSA and denied the reps and leaders of the union, the ability to function. It was a deliberate union busting strategy.
(The Facilites Agreement was a document that sets out the requirements for BA to allow reps reasonable time to man the office, attend meetings and other day to day functions.)
This means that the "ability to function" as you put it was removed by the union themselves.
The offices were shut down by Unite themselves.
When you read the rhetoric about BA refusing to allow reps to man the office or to attend informal meetings, this is nothing but union spin.
Unite withdrew from this facility of their own volition and therefore BA cannot abide to an agreement that no longer exists.
If Unite had not torn the agreement up, then your reps no doubt would still be able to do the things that they decided they no longer wished to do.
Again, this is an example of your union acting without your best interests, and then being more than economical with the truth about what really happened. But then there is nothing new there.
There is no union busting strategy - BA need crew to be represented by a union, and have never said anything to the contrary.
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PCCC has been given a real slating by........the Bassa faithful.
Anybody with a mind of their own has no qualms or worries about the setting up of a rival Union to Bassa and Untie.
I welcome CCCP's comments as they give us an opinion which, somewhat unfactual and surreal, allow us to understand the mindset of those that have started their anti-PCCC rhetoric.
Bassa have communicated to the entire membership that all those who did not support DH's last ballot should leave Bassa. The membership was never even consulted on the matter and total alienation was the outcome.
So why deny those former loyal members of Bassa an alternative ? In 1993, Bassa refused to accept that MidFleet even exsted; hence 1,000 new people and newly promoted people joining CC89 for a chance of whatever protection was on offer.
Most of us sincerely wish that we had not been misled by Bassa and that the dispute was finished months ago without too many bloody noses. The simple fact of the matter is; that's not how it panned out.
Therefore, PCCC was formed out of the old Law of Natural Selection; necessity is the mother of invention. Hence; thousands of people flocking to PCCC whilst Bassa does little more than hurl abuse at them on their way out.
PCCC was of Bassa's making, not Balpa or BA. Balpa have denied any aquaintences with PCCC and BA have not yet recognised them; that should be evidence enough for you.
As far as their identities being made public; be patient. It will be a mandatory requirement when approaching BA for recognition. It will also be necessary when charging subscriptions as the members demand transparency of accounting.
Anybody with a mind of their own has no qualms or worries about the setting up of a rival Union to Bassa and Untie.
I welcome CCCP's comments as they give us an opinion which, somewhat unfactual and surreal, allow us to understand the mindset of those that have started their anti-PCCC rhetoric.
Bassa have communicated to the entire membership that all those who did not support DH's last ballot should leave Bassa. The membership was never even consulted on the matter and total alienation was the outcome.
So why deny those former loyal members of Bassa an alternative ? In 1993, Bassa refused to accept that MidFleet even exsted; hence 1,000 new people and newly promoted people joining CC89 for a chance of whatever protection was on offer.
Most of us sincerely wish that we had not been misled by Bassa and that the dispute was finished months ago without too many bloody noses. The simple fact of the matter is; that's not how it panned out.
Therefore, PCCC was formed out of the old Law of Natural Selection; necessity is the mother of invention. Hence; thousands of people flocking to PCCC whilst Bassa does little more than hurl abuse at them on their way out.
PCCC was of Bassa's making, not Balpa or BA. Balpa have denied any aquaintences with PCCC and BA have not yet recognised them; that should be evidence enough for you.
As far as their identities being made public; be patient. It will be a mandatory requirement when approaching BA for recognition. It will also be necessary when charging subscriptions as the members demand transparency of accounting.
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BA shut down the offices of BASSA and denied the reps and leaders of the union, the ability to function. It was a deliberate union busting strategy.
It's ironic really, that by removing themselves from the facilities agreement, Bassa lost the ability for a rep to be able to de-roster themselves from a trip. The very thing DH lost his job over, talk about shooting yourself in the foot!!
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Why are people giving the time of day to someone who comes on here to deliberately (IMHO) stir up more animosity?
I'm reminded of my little toy troll I had when I was 6 years old
I'm reminded of my little toy troll I had when I was 6 years old
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it has been established that the PCCC is indeed a quasi union.
BA shut down the offices of BASSA and denied the reps and leaders of the union, the ability to function. It was a deliberate union busting strategy.
DH has a responsibility to represent as Secretary of BASSA, over 10,000 BA cabin crew. Part of a union busting strategy is to isolate the members from their union officials.
It will be interesting to see what the Tribunals view is of BA's behaviour.
DH has a responsibility to represent as Secretary of BASSA, over 10,000 BA cabin crew. Part of a union busting strategy is to isolate the members from their union officials.
It will be interesting to see what the Tribunals view is of BA's behaviour.
Err Wrong again I am afraid!!!
Prior to T5 BASSA and CC89 were virtually the only organisations to have office facilities provided by BA.
It is not a requirement and BASSA had removed themselves to a suite of offices on the Bath Road prior to the T5 opening. They then moved into the new Unite building, again on the Bath Road.
DH should not still be the Branch Secretary. It is clear in the rule book that you need to be employed as cabin crew in BA to even be a member let alone Secretary. So if DH had taken severance or retired would he still insist on being Secretary (drawing a big fat commission)?
10,000 cabin crew?????
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DH has a responsibility to represent as Secretary of BASSA, over 10,000 BA cabin crew.
Now he is in an elevated position within BASSA, prolonged by a vote not to re-elect the board until the dispute is concluded, with no vested interest in concluding the action. Rather frightening really.
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Personal gain perhaps?
DH should not still be the Branch Secretary. It is clear in the rule book that you need to be employed as cabin crew in BA to even be a member let alone Secretary.
Call me ironic, but I see him as prolonging this dispute for his own monetary gains and not the welfare of the crew.
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Who is paying the bills at the PCCC. Who paid the £150 registration fee?
What are the names of the crew who are proposing to put themselves forward as reps, Secretary, Chairman.
Come on. Answers please.
What are the names of the crew who are proposing to put themselves forward as reps, Secretary, Chairman.
Come on. Answers please.
Interesting that you think there are so many bills to pay. I guess that's a natural assumption being as BASSA have collected £150,000 PER MONTH off us for years. It really does beg the question - where on earth does it go?
Well, as far as the Professional Cabin Crew Council is concerned - we have no bills - yet. No-one paid the £150 registration fee, the Certification Office listed us after making their own enquiries. (I think someone from BASSA shopped us, so that backfired somewhat!) It also puts paid to the sponsorship rumour that BASSA are peddling - or else the £150 would have been paid, and indeed the £4000 needed next for the Certificate.
Everything we have done has been donated by well-wishers - our website FOC, our flyers FOC, our business cards FOC. We have had numerous offers from across the globe for funding - many of them are on the SLF thread - thank you all again for your huge support. We have replied, and thanked them and politely declined any contribution - ask them.
We have crew members from each fleet involved, the names of whom are irrelevant as we intend to get most of our direction from the forum members themselves. It's not about the reps, it's about the members. Strange eh?
Simple. Effective. Cheap. Democratic.
Everything BASSA isn't.
Now, can I suggest you run along and ask the same pertinent questions of BASSA. And do print the answers here for all of us to read.
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Even after many posts you still haven't answered my question. Simply where can a Bassa member find out what happens to all the money it receives. £1.9 million/year. Forget the PCCC, where does your money go and who authorises payments such as setting up false websites for porn sites and the £5000 given to santas crew. Please answer or as I believe you won't as you are scared?
Sorry highflyer, I must have posted same time as you. Great post by the way.
Sorry highflyer, I must have posted same time as you. Great post by the way.
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where's all the money gone?
Well his tribunal starts tomorrow at Reading, which by his own admission is unlikely to find in his favour;
So that's around £20,000 of his members money flushed down the toilet in fighting an unwinnable ET. Surely if you fail to turn up to work for the 5th or 6th time and then brag about it on your own union forum you can hardly be surprised that you're let go by your employer. Why would anyone even try and defend this sort of gross misconduct? He even admitted he spent the time going through BASSA's corrupted membership database so they could re-ballot after the 12 days of Christmas fiasco. The tribunal will love that.
And how goes the other "tidal wave" of ETs we were promised from the union barons? No word of the porn king and his case nor the other high profile "miscarriages of justice" with all these "trumped up charges". Rumour has it that almost all the others stand less than a 50% chance of success so will not be funded by Unite. Maybe just maybe these militants deserved to be dismissed then?
A chance? Two hopes and one of them's called Bob mate.
Sounds to me like he's nervous about what his fan club may hear in court. My guess is this wouldn't have even gone to an ET if Dunc wasn't the branch secretary. So everyone's equal on this farm but obviously some are more equal than others. Best keep em in the dark hey Dunc, it's worked so far.
So £20,000 wasted this month on a tribunal he was never going to win.
20% of £150k a month to run the branch which amounts to £30,000 per month. That's a lot of £100 per days for his reps to cary out "office duties" except of course those reps are not being derostered so can't possibly be pocketing those payments. Can they?
Nice little earner this union business isn't it? No wonder he's so impassioned and so "dedicated" to his members. Those building projects don't pay for themselves.
And this cult of personality- BASSA God- is running the dispute. Good grief.
Good old fashioned unionists a la multi millionaire Scargill.
I have been told that the result won't be announced at the end of the tribunal. When all this happened I was confident that a tribunal would right the wrong but having seen how the courts have treated trade union matters over the last 12 months and also seem the time, effort and expense BA and their legal team has invested in my case I am under no illusions of what I am up against.
And how goes the other "tidal wave" of ETs we were promised from the union barons? No word of the porn king and his case nor the other high profile "miscarriages of justice" with all these "trumped up charges". Rumour has it that almost all the others stand less than a 50% chance of success so will not be funded by Unite. Maybe just maybe these militants deserved to be dismissed then?
As for turning up and supporting that is great but I am anxious not to turn this into a show of strength or a politcal battle. I would rather the judges took an impartial view without being influenced because I do still genuinely believe if justice is on my side I have a chance.
Sounds to me like he's nervous about what his fan club may hear in court. My guess is this wouldn't have even gone to an ET if Dunc wasn't the branch secretary. So everyone's equal on this farm but obviously some are more equal than others. Best keep em in the dark hey Dunc, it's worked so far.
So £20,000 wasted this month on a tribunal he was never going to win.
20% of £150k a month to run the branch which amounts to £30,000 per month. That's a lot of £100 per days for his reps to cary out "office duties" except of course those reps are not being derostered so can't possibly be pocketing those payments. Can they?
Nice little earner this union business isn't it? No wonder he's so impassioned and so "dedicated" to his members. Those building projects don't pay for themselves.
And this cult of personality- BASSA God- is running the dispute. Good grief.
Good old fashioned unionists a la multi millionaire Scargill.
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oh damn you highflyer you beat me to it. yes looking forward to the pay rise. CCCP please answer my question or is it embarrassing you. I'm starting to get bored. Seriously where does a bassa member find the annual accounts.