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I'm not denying it's a Trade Union, all I'm saying is according to the Cert. Office website they have declined to be "listed", thus appearing on the "schedule" of Trade Unions. The fee for listing is £150.
So currently the PCCC is not a listed Trade Union with the Cert. Office, they are merely aware that it exists.
I am unable to ascertain what checks the Cert. Office makes to include a Trade Union in the "schedule", but I'll make sure to find out.
So currently the PCCC is not a listed Trade Union with the Cert. Office, they are merely aware that it exists.
I am unable to ascertain what checks the Cert. Office makes to include a Trade Union in the "schedule", but I'll make sure to find out.
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Fair point Snas; ftsu, why the interest? To appear on the Certification Officer site at lest means that there is due process happening.
To me, the two questions should be -
To me, the two questions should be -
- Is the PCCC a management supported tool to split the Unite presence at BA?
- Is the PCCC a body set up because of the lack of support of Unite and its two branches at BA?
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The war's over
Let's not pretend that this is anything but the final death throes of a union that is spent- morally, financially and "strategically". Their leaders are done, some literally. I have little sympathy. They have been a vicious and aggressive cancer eating away at a fine and successful company.
The last few days have been spent attacking indiscriminately and attempting to discredit everyone in sight. The usual targets- pilots, BALPA, BA's LT but also the TUC, Brendan Barber, James McAuslen, ConLibs and of course the PCCC. Startlingly they've even chosen to turn on their own- no voters and those that can't be bothered. Everyone must leave except the believers. What they believe is little understood not least by themselves. Dunc is the Messiah.
It's always someone else's fault which appears to be the recurring MO of their branch sec. Never accept responsibility for anything. Always play the victim. It's tired, it's predictable and most of all it doesn't fool anyone. Except, sadly a few thousand misguided and naive BA cabin crew.
Make no mistake this is Hitler in his bunker in Berlin on 30th April 1945. The revolver is polished, any last proclamations Mr Secretary?
The ballot is in, the "army" is ready. What you waiting for? Tick, tock, tick, tock
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The last few days have been spent attacking indiscriminately and attempting to discredit everyone in sight. The usual targets- pilots, BALPA, BA's LT but also the TUC, Brendan Barber, James McAuslen, ConLibs and of course the PCCC. Startlingly they've even chosen to turn on their own- no voters and those that can't be bothered. Everyone must leave except the believers. What they believe is little understood not least by themselves. Dunc is the Messiah.
It's always someone else's fault which appears to be the recurring MO of their branch sec. Never accept responsibility for anything. Always play the victim. It's tired, it's predictable and most of all it doesn't fool anyone. Except, sadly a few thousand misguided and naive BA cabin crew.
Make no mistake this is Hitler in his bunker in Berlin on 30th April 1945. The revolver is polished, any last proclamations Mr Secretary?
The ballot is in, the "army" is ready. What you waiting for? Tick, tock, tick, tock
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Are the bosses at Bassa really running out of people to blame it all on ?
I guess so.
Are Bassa really worried about the emergence of PCCC so much that Mr DH is making national statements against their right to exist?
He should be worried.
Is this the end of Bassa as we know it?
I guess so.
Has anyone in the Bassa Committee said a single word against the Secretary and Chairman in the last two years?
I guess not.
Will the last member to leave Bassa please switch the lights off?
Let's hope so.
I guess so.
Are Bassa really worried about the emergence of PCCC so much that Mr DH is making national statements against their right to exist?
He should be worried.
Is this the end of Bassa as we know it?
I guess so.
Has anyone in the Bassa Committee said a single word against the Secretary and Chairman in the last two years?
I guess not.
Will the last member to leave Bassa please switch the lights off?
Let's hope so.
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Running out of enemies? Not a chance....
Here we go again. Is there a doctor in the house? 
About his upcoming employment tribunal in Reading:
Another conspiracy theory. This time HM Courts. By his own admission he took nothing but a Guardian crossword puzzle to his final appeal hearing. Let me help you with that; 5 down was NEGOTIATE, 3 across was OUTFLANKED, 11 across was REGRET and 14 down was UNEMPLOYED. 
We don't want you to. Stay home, get a job (what recession?), look after your wife. Fade into the background. Crew are better off without you.Stay away from us PLEASE.
About his upcoming employment tribunal in Reading:
I have been told that the result won't be announced at the end of the tribunal. When all this happened I was confident that a tribunal would right the wrong but having seen how the courts have treated trade union matters over the last 12 months and also seem the time, effort and expense BA and their legal team has invested in my case I am under no illusions of what I am up against.
Again thanks for your good wishes - no matter the result I will keep up the fight on your behalf as long as you want me too.
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Good post BASSAwitch ;
Just remember 7 Up was Lemonade.
We all now know that he was given several chances to do a U-turn on his decision not to turn up for work and he was pre-warned of the consequences of not turning up for work (ring any bells?).
He martyred himself and now wants sympathy from the rest of us; well that ain't gonna happen. Any person that disagrees with him or his actions is ousted from the Union or ousted from the Forums or publicly humiliated with their faces imprinted upon pictures of ABBA.
I don't think there is anyone left who even wants him back; I certainly don't. Galley FM lately, has all been about being let down by Bassa and about being lied to by the self-martyred Secretary.
Remember, the first mandate for ballot included the imposed new Crewing Levels that BA (allegedly) didn't turn up for. If only he had been truthful about that, then things would have been so different now. CC89/Amicus knew this too, but remained silent and complied with Untie's directive to Strike; shame on them.
If BA take him back, I'll start a grievance procedure of my own !
Just remember 7 Up was Lemonade.
We all now know that he was given several chances to do a U-turn on his decision not to turn up for work and he was pre-warned of the consequences of not turning up for work (ring any bells?).
He martyred himself and now wants sympathy from the rest of us; well that ain't gonna happen. Any person that disagrees with him or his actions is ousted from the Union or ousted from the Forums or publicly humiliated with their faces imprinted upon pictures of ABBA.
I don't think there is anyone left who even wants him back; I certainly don't. Galley FM lately, has all been about being let down by Bassa and about being lied to by the self-martyred Secretary.
Remember, the first mandate for ballot included the imposed new Crewing Levels that BA (allegedly) didn't turn up for. If only he had been truthful about that, then things would have been so different now. CC89/Amicus knew this too, but remained silent and complied with Untie's directive to Strike; shame on them.
If BA take him back, I'll start a grievance procedure of my own !
If BA take him back, I'll start a grievance procedure of my own !
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I don't think there is any point in getting too excited about the PCCC. Even if you do not agree with BASSA, most people would want to join an effective union that will support them through disciplinaries and other problems. If the "union" is too biased in favour of the employer, then who would have any confidence in that association being able to fight your corner?
Clearly it is a quasi union set up under the auspices of BA. If there is no joining fee or subs, who is paying the bills?
For example in Mixed Fleet contracts, if a union agrees inferior T&C's, then BA can implement them. Who is to say that the PCCC is sufficiently independent to protect current MF crew from any further erosion of their contracts?
Clearly it is a quasi union set up under the auspices of BA. If there is no joining fee or subs, who is paying the bills?
For example in Mixed Fleet contracts, if a union agrees inferior T&C's, then BA can implement them. Who is to say that the PCCC is sufficiently independent to protect current MF crew from any further erosion of their contracts?
Clearly it is a quasi union set up under the auspices of BA.
Who is to say that the PCCC is sufficiently independant to protect current MF crew from an further erosion of the their contracts?
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As it stands at the moment, there is no union for mixed fleet and somebody is to blame for that too. People will have differing views on where the blame for that should lie.
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OK Then. Who are the people setting up the PCCC?
Names please.
There is no union for MF crew, as that is the last thing that BA wants. If there had of been union involvement in the setting up of MF, then the contracts would have been far better. MF crew do not work to any "agreement". It is simply a "framework" as dictated by BA.
Names please.
There is no union for MF crew, as that is the last thing that BA wants. If there had of been union involvement in the setting up of MF, then the contracts would have been far better. MF crew do not work to any "agreement". It is simply a "framework" as dictated by BA.
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The law is quite clear on how a union can force recognition. All any union has to do is gain sufficient members within a workforce and the employer has no choice, it must accept that union for that workforce. BASSA and the PCCC both have the opportunity to represent MF CC, it will be interesting to see which union ultimately wins the battle to gain members within MF.
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Have a look at this site on the guidance for Independence -
The official certification office website. We provide information regarding trade unions, employers' associations, political funds, employment relations and more.
Lots of statutory stuff. You will see your right to protest is contained in the guidance.
The official certification office website. We provide information regarding trade unions, employers' associations, political funds, employment relations and more.
Lots of statutory stuff. You will see your right to protest is contained in the guidance.
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It is not clear at all, that there is any desire by the BA cabin crew workforce for another union. History has shown that BA will use a "sympathetic" union to push through its agenda.
As members of the PCCC would never strike, crew would be far better off simply investing in Crew Defense for the legal cover. Why join and pay subs to a "union" that is more likely to unravel your T&C's than protect them?
As members of the PCCC would never strike, crew would be far better off simply investing in Crew Defense for the legal cover. Why join and pay subs to a "union" that is more likely to unravel your T&C's than protect them?
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And if BASSA had sat around the table long enough, they could maybe have had some influence in that. Instead they preferred to throw a hissy fit and refuse to sit in the same room as Amicus, letting down not only their current members but also all those generations of crew to come. Big thank you to our esteemed BASSA leaders for that
Well there's rather a lot of new members over on the PCCC forum who completely disagree with you. If you're right then you have nothing to fear; if you're wrong then there's a new union coming to a workplace near you very soon!
If there had of been union involvement in the setting up of MF, then the contracts would have been far better.
It is not clear at all, that there is any desire by the BA cabin crew workforce for another union.
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For any union involvement in the setting up of MF contracts I'm guessing that would have required the union reps to attend meetings, sit down with BA and negotiate? Looks like BASSA have also failed MF along with the rest of us.
Instead of thinking of posts in an attempt to discredit the PCCC, why not ask yourself why so many crew have turned their back on BASSA? The PCCC has been created out of sheer frustration with the current unions. What is so wrong with trying to do something about improving a worsening situation? I commend the people behind it, so many of us are unhappy but only a few of our colleagues have actually got up off their backsides to do something about it.
Instead of thinking of posts in an attempt to discredit the PCCC, why not ask yourself why so many crew have turned their back on BASSA? The PCCC has been created out of sheer frustration with the current unions. What is so wrong with trying to do something about improving a worsening situation? I commend the people behind it, so many of us are unhappy but only a few of our colleagues have actually got up off their backsides to do something about it.