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No 28 days.
But thats for action to start. The announcement must be 7 days before that.
But thats for action to start. The announcement must be 7 days before that.
233 Calling of industrial action with support of ballot
(b)there must be a call for industrial action by a specified person, and industrial action to which it relates must begin, before the ballot ceases to be effective in accordance with section 234..
(b)there must be a call for industrial action by a specified person, and industrial action to which it relates must begin, before the ballot ceases to be effective in accordance with section 234..
234 Period after which ballot ceases to be effective
Subject to the following provisions, a ballot ceases to be effective for the purposes of section 233(3)(b) in relation to industrial action by members of a trade union at the end of the period, beginning with the date of the ballot—.
(a)of four weeks, or.
(b)of such longer duration not exceeding eight weeks as is agreed between the union and the members’ employer.]
Subject to the following provisions, a ballot ceases to be effective for the purposes of section 233(3)(b) in relation to industrial action by members of a trade union at the end of the period, beginning with the date of the ballot—.
(a)of four weeks, or.
(b)of such longer duration not exceeding eight weeks as is agreed between the union and the members’ employer.]
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Can someone clarify the certificate the PCCC now claim to hold?
They don't appear on the list held by the Cert. Office which means they are unable to apply for a certificate of independence.
What's the reason for this?
They don't appear on the list held by the Cert. Office which means they are unable to apply for a certificate of independence.
What's the reason for this?
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Choose an appropriate time to strike - DO NOT GO ON STRIKE DURING THE WINTER LOW SEASON
There are plenty of spare aircraft about the UK to provide lift to BA during the winter. In the last BA strike, Jet2 provided 7 aircraft to BA. This only occurred because it was the low season and their aircraft were doing nothing. It was extra income as well and to add insult to injury they use these flights to line train their pilots - some of whom are having to pay Jet2 money to train as well
Once the summer season starts, there will be less aircraft available. In addition, Jet2 will probably get bloodied during the summer as they are feeling the chill effects of Ryanair on most of their routes
There are plenty of spare aircraft about the UK to provide lift to BA during the winter. In the last BA strike, Jet2 provided 7 aircraft to BA. This only occurred because it was the low season and their aircraft were doing nothing. It was extra income as well and to add insult to injury they use these flights to line train their pilots - some of whom are having to pay Jet2 money to train as well
Once the summer season starts, there will be less aircraft available. In addition, Jet2 will probably get bloodied during the summer as they are feeling the chill effects of Ryanair on most of their routes
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FTSU...
The PCCC certainly IS listed as a Trade Union on the Certification Officers website - its very plain for everyone to see..
Id suggest you go back and have a look under Professional Cabin Crew Council or put it into the search box on the cert officers website.. They are listed on the Schedule of Trade Unions...as far as I am aware they dont claim to have any certificate -
Are you trying to discredit the hard work the PCCC Team have been doing? Every organisation has to start somewhere.. and the PCCC Team are doing all of this in their own time, without funding.
When are the BASSA mob finally going to wake up and realise that there are a large number of crew who are SICK to the back teeth of their antics!..They have failed miserably as an organisation to represent the interests of their members - what exactly do they do with all the money they receive in the way of subs??
I think that the PCCC has done very well to establish itself as a Trade Union - finally a breath of fresh air!! Goodbye BASSA - I would suggest they (BASSA) take a trip to a funeral directors and have their tomb stones engraved with 'Kept the Faith - and look where it got me!'...all in preparation for their final demise.. Bring it on!
The PCCC certainly IS listed as a Trade Union on the Certification Officers website - its very plain for everyone to see..
Id suggest you go back and have a look under Professional Cabin Crew Council or put it into the search box on the cert officers website.. They are listed on the Schedule of Trade Unions...as far as I am aware they dont claim to have any certificate -
Are you trying to discredit the hard work the PCCC Team have been doing? Every organisation has to start somewhere.. and the PCCC Team are doing all of this in their own time, without funding.
When are the BASSA mob finally going to wake up and realise that there are a large number of crew who are SICK to the back teeth of their antics!..They have failed miserably as an organisation to represent the interests of their members - what exactly do they do with all the money they receive in the way of subs??
I think that the PCCC has done very well to establish itself as a Trade Union - finally a breath of fresh air!! Goodbye BASSA - I would suggest they (BASSA) take a trip to a funeral directors and have their tomb stones engraved with 'Kept the Faith - and look where it got me!'...all in preparation for their final demise.. Bring it on!
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Herc708:
Not sure which airline you work for if indeed you do, but the second round of strikes last year (15 days) were in June, which at BA is within our summer schedule. During this time there were far fewer wet lease aircraft than the previous round in March and it was clear BA didn't really require those as they were turning away VCC and not using short haul crew. I guess they had committed to leasing them though.
I would be surprised if they even bothered to use other airlines this time due to the unexpected high volume of crew that turned up for work. Combine that with the poor ballot result in favour of further action - just 43% of the total crew community plus the thousands of VCC's trained and hundreds of MF crew and I think you'll find BA's contingency plans won't include any wet lease agreements? I could be wrong of course, but it looks unlikely?
So, it would seem that winter or summer further IA action would be equally pointless and ineffective albeit for some minor disruption to our SH operation.
Not sure which airline you work for if indeed you do, but the second round of strikes last year (15 days) were in June, which at BA is within our summer schedule. During this time there were far fewer wet lease aircraft than the previous round in March and it was clear BA didn't really require those as they were turning away VCC and not using short haul crew. I guess they had committed to leasing them though.
I would be surprised if they even bothered to use other airlines this time due to the unexpected high volume of crew that turned up for work. Combine that with the poor ballot result in favour of further action - just 43% of the total crew community plus the thousands of VCC's trained and hundreds of MF crew and I think you'll find BA's contingency plans won't include any wet lease agreements? I could be wrong of course, but it looks unlikely?
So, it would seem that winter or summer further IA action would be equally pointless and ineffective albeit for some minor disruption to our SH operation.
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Well done pccc
Hiflyer,
Congratulations on being listed. A significant step forward. I don't know where you guys find the time to do what yu do, but a lesson to us all in dedication.
Congratulations on being listed. A significant step forward. I don't know where you guys find the time to do what yu do, but a lesson to us all in dedication.
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Hi Bertiebirdy,
What did they get for being on strike and keeping the faith?
Well, they lost a few grand in income which was then replaced (in part) from Unite.
So they got a pink shirt with xxxx on it, a baggage label, a key ring and a yellow pen.
No wonder they all left the Union or stayed and voted NO this time.
Not so much of that Faith going about now. I think they lost what Faith was left after Mr DH told them to leave if they didn't like it.
What did they get for being on strike and keeping the faith?
Well, they lost a few grand in income which was then replaced (in part) from Unite.
So they got a pink shirt with xxxx on it, a baggage label, a key ring and a yellow pen.
No wonder they all left the Union or stayed and voted NO this time.
Not so much of that Faith going about now. I think they lost what Faith was left after Mr DH told them to leave if they didn't like it.
Lib Dem,
Could I humbly suggest that the PCCC consider basing their subscription, when it comes, on the actual basic salary (or some portion of it) so that the masses don't end up subsidising the more well off. Some of the more senior and long-serving BA cabin crew should be digging a fair bit deeper in to their pockets to get representation, don't you think? 
PCCC have yet to take any subs or pay any Reps but when they do, and I hope it is all set up and running very soon, I will be more than happy to pay a subscription. I am more than hapy for Reps to get paid and I am confident that, without Political funds and Unite's cut, it will be a smaller amount than £17 per month.
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BA has today made available on it's intranet, copies of two lengthy letters sent to Unite.
The first, sent on 13/12/10 (7 pages) covers issues raised by Unite regarding the withdrawl of ST from those who took part in IA.
The second, sent on 14/12/10 (6 pages) covers issues around salary deductions for those reporting sick during the periods of IA.
In both letters, each point and argument raised by Unite is very clearly and consicely addressed and the company's position explained. I'm certainly no expert, but it would appear that the company has very clearly rebutted all of the claims/arguments made by Unite on these issues.
Both letters asked that if Unite had any further queries about these issues, that they contact BA in writing within 7 days.
BA states that the letters were sent to Unite "to share with you". Not being a Unite member, I don't know if they have done so.
It seems these docs can't be copied/pasted otherwise I would show you.
The first, sent on 13/12/10 (7 pages) covers issues raised by Unite regarding the withdrawl of ST from those who took part in IA.
The second, sent on 14/12/10 (6 pages) covers issues around salary deductions for those reporting sick during the periods of IA.
In both letters, each point and argument raised by Unite is very clearly and consicely addressed and the company's position explained. I'm certainly no expert, but it would appear that the company has very clearly rebutted all of the claims/arguments made by Unite on these issues.
Both letters asked that if Unite had any further queries about these issues, that they contact BA in writing within 7 days.
BA states that the letters were sent to Unite "to share with you". Not being a Unite member, I don't know if they have done so.
It seems these docs can't be copied/pasted otherwise I would show you.
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It seems now that BASSA are well and truly on the back foot. They are having to take advice from their QC as to how to proceed. This is where the members' subs are going, evidently.
BASSA are in a vacuum as BA and UNITE are not in discussions 'at any level'.
Also, Brendan Barber is the latest target for BASSA's wrath, they are calling on him to withdraw a statement he made about BASSA or 'consider his position'.
BASSA are in a vacuum as BA and UNITE are not in discussions 'at any level'.
Also, Brendan Barber is the latest target for BASSA's wrath, they are calling on him to withdraw a statement he made about BASSA or 'consider his position'.
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I'm not sure their advice will be any good as D has said they are getting advice from a Queen's Council.
Westminster Council?
I suggest he sees a Queen's Counsel for better advice
Westminster Council?
I suggest he sees a Queen's Counsel for better advice
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British Airways union defended by TUC boss in row with Balpa | Business | The Guardian
BarBars reply to BALPA chairman
Of course BarBar needs to be reminded that 5000 BASSA/UNITE/CC89(whatever they are called) members broke the strike
GMB union members worked as VCC
UNITE union members from various other BA branches worked as VCC
Still every dictatorship needs a common enemy to unite the troops,BASSA are no different
BarBars reply to BALPA chairman
Of course BarBar needs to be reminded that 5000 BASSA/UNITE/CC89(whatever they are called) members broke the strike
GMB union members worked as VCC
UNITE union members from various other BA branches worked as VCC
Still every dictatorship needs a common enemy to unite the troops,BASSA are no different
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Very true I was a unite member till just after I started my crew training.
Personally I would rather spend the £14 per month on a few pints than give it to that lot.
I only told them to stick there membership as they were going to put our subs up to fund the crew strikes.
The reps never asked our views and only pushed for things they wanted.
When did anybody ever see a tu rep work Saturday's Sunday's or Christmas.
Personally I would rather spend the £14 per month on a few pints than give it to that lot.
I only told them to stick there membership as they were going to put our subs up to fund the crew strikes.
The reps never asked our views and only pushed for things they wanted.
When did anybody ever see a tu rep work Saturday's Sunday's or Christmas.
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Originally Posted by BettyGirl
Strangely one steward that did have a yellow pen had just got given CSM but made me promise not to tell the rest of the crew!!!
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I'm sorry but I can't ignore it any longer. Is there any chance of dropping the silly and disparaging names? I come here in the hope of a more rounded and adult view on the dispute we currently find ourselves in the middle of, so I don't expect to have to sit here trying to work out who the hell BarBar is! BASSA are regularly flamed for their often emotive updates and name calling. What's the difference?
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Well said, JetSet. If we, here, resort to using childish names, we're no better than the immature, deluded, insufferably mis-guided bunch who populate another forum (well, a majority of the most vocal - many there are still reasonable, reasoned, intelligent people).
We should be holding ourselves to a higher level here.
As for the PCCC, I congratulate them on becoming recognised, but I wonder if that recognition would have been hindered had they openly said "I don't want anyone to know who I am". I still do not want anything to do with a trade union whose leaders won't stand up and be identified - particularly when I continue, despite my move to Gatwick, to get abuse because I openly discuss my views here under my own name.
I'll join you tomorrow, even as a rep if you wish, if only you were to admit that it's important to have some accountability.
Come on, PCCC - unmask thyself (many of us know who you are, anyway).
We should be holding ourselves to a higher level here.
As for the PCCC, I congratulate them on becoming recognised, but I wonder if that recognition would have been hindered had they openly said "I don't want anyone to know who I am". I still do not want anything to do with a trade union whose leaders won't stand up and be identified - particularly when I continue, despite my move to Gatwick, to get abuse because I openly discuss my views here under my own name.
I'll join you tomorrow, even as a rep if you wish, if only you were to admit that it's important to have some accountability.
Come on, PCCC - unmask thyself (many of us know who you are, anyway).
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Eddy
Quote:
Originally Posted by BettyGirl
Strangely one steward that did have a yellow pen had just got given CSM but made me promise not to tell the rest of the crew!!!
Do you know if this person went on strike? This, to me, is VERY important to know. Thanks x
Originally Posted by BettyGirl
Strangely one steward that did have a yellow pen had just got given CSM but made me promise not to tell the rest of the crew!!!
Do you know if this person went on strike? This, to me, is VERY important to know. Thanks x
I think BA should be applauded for giving him the job - it shows they are big enough to move on and if you are good enough you get the job
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Interesting. I can see the PCCC appear on the schedule of Trade Unions but appear to have declined to be "listed".
I'm wondering what checks are actually undertaken to appear on the schedule.
Guess I'll ask the Certification Office directly, I'll post any response here once received.
I'm wondering what checks are actually undertaken to appear on the schedule.
Guess I'll ask the Certification Office directly, I'll post any response here once received.
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FTSU..
They have NEVER declined to be listed at all! £150 is for the certificate/schedule and thats about it! - Regardless of your attempt at discrediting a group of Cabin Crew who have clearly had enough of BASSA - they have been deemed to be a Trade Union.
I would imagine that for a group of cabin crew who HAVE NOT RECEIVED A PENNY FROM ANY OTHER SOURCE, it would require them to stoke up any fees for further certifcation officer requirements, such as the £4000 needed - this only adds credence to the genuine claim that its set up by Cabin Crew for Cabin Crew WITHOUT any external financial help.
They are required to follow all the provisions laid out in the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992- which includes the requirement for proper accounting records to be kept and that an annual return will need to be made.
I am disgusted to read from Mr Holleys latest missive, that BASSA claims that PCCC have been "sponsored" onto the list of Trade Unions - When I questioned the certification office, only yesterday after reading the latest in BASSA's News posting, I was told catagorically that it is impossible to be sponsored by a third party onto the list! There is no procedure or indeed allowance for BASSA's claim about the PCCC.
Still - all that said and done - we now have a new Trade Union - I am asking myself why BASSA are delaying the announcement of Strike dates and are seeking advice from their Queens Counsel? - Perhaps the Ballot is not valid, legal or lacks justification for further pointless industrial action?.. I wait with baited breath!
They have NEVER declined to be listed at all! £150 is for the certificate/schedule and thats about it! - Regardless of your attempt at discrediting a group of Cabin Crew who have clearly had enough of BASSA - they have been deemed to be a Trade Union.
I would imagine that for a group of cabin crew who HAVE NOT RECEIVED A PENNY FROM ANY OTHER SOURCE, it would require them to stoke up any fees for further certifcation officer requirements, such as the £4000 needed - this only adds credence to the genuine claim that its set up by Cabin Crew for Cabin Crew WITHOUT any external financial help.
They are required to follow all the provisions laid out in the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992- which includes the requirement for proper accounting records to be kept and that an annual return will need to be made.
I am disgusted to read from Mr Holleys latest missive, that BASSA claims that PCCC have been "sponsored" onto the list of Trade Unions - When I questioned the certification office, only yesterday after reading the latest in BASSA's News posting, I was told catagorically that it is impossible to be sponsored by a third party onto the list! There is no procedure or indeed allowance for BASSA's claim about the PCCC.
Still - all that said and done - we now have a new Trade Union - I am asking myself why BASSA are delaying the announcement of Strike dates and are seeking advice from their Queens Counsel? - Perhaps the Ballot is not valid, legal or lacks justification for further pointless industrial action?.. I wait with baited breath!