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Firstly, on the 'news' section of the website it says "The PCCC is now an Officially Listed TRADE UNION", but on the 'About' section it leads with "Firstly, we are not a Union." Can someone explain?
We had to put that on the about page when we first started so as not to mislead anyone. Our web designer is currently at 35000 ft! As soon as they have landed, rested and have internet access it will be updated! But thanks for bringing it to our attention. And point taken about the anonymity.
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Willie Walsh named as the Airline Economics Aviation 100 Aerospace CEO of the year 2010
Some 10,100 senior aerospace executives along with industry investors and financiers on a global basis were asked to vote for who they thought was the top performing CEO of 2010. Of this number a huge 38% voted for Willie Walsh, chief executive of British Airways. The vast majority of the votes included messages confirming that in a very difficult year Walsh managed to handle issues under the spotlight of the global media with great skill, moreover and most importantly, during the course of 2010 Walsh put British Airways plc into a far stronger position than existed at the start of the year.
This award represents the view of senior members of the global aerospace sector and industry investors in one of the largest and most detailed polls of its kind ever undertaken.
Willie Walsh, as of Monday 24th January 2010, has moved on to become CEO of International Airlines Group, which controls both British Airways and Iberia.
Some 10,100 senior aerospace executives along with industry investors and financiers on a global basis were asked to vote for who they thought was the top performing CEO of 2010. Of this number a huge 38% voted for Willie Walsh, chief executive of British Airways. The vast majority of the votes included messages confirming that in a very difficult year Walsh managed to handle issues under the spotlight of the global media with great skill, moreover and most importantly, during the course of 2010 Walsh put British Airways plc into a far stronger position than existed at the start of the year.
This award represents the view of senior members of the global aerospace sector and industry investors in one of the largest and most detailed polls of its kind ever undertaken.
Willie Walsh, as of Monday 24th January 2010, has moved on to become CEO of International Airlines Group, which controls both British Airways and Iberia.
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Congratulations PCCC and all the crew who have worked so hard to set it up. Any time you are ready to take some subs from me just let me know. I'd be rubbish as a rep but am happy to support Hiflyer while she represents the rest of us. Feel the fear BASSA, time for a new world!
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More awards....
...coming in thick and fast from industry watchers despite 22 days of strike action, volcanic ash, snow, high fuel prices, crippling Air Passenger Duty, a failed OFT price fixing investigation and a deep global recession.
Business Travel Awards 2011
Best long haul airline
Best airline worldwide
Best corporate social responsibility programme
Willie Walsh outstanding achievement award
The winners
Just goes to show you can't keep a great company down even if some wish to destroy it from the inside. Any comment from BASSA?
Business Travel Awards 2011
Best long haul airline
Best airline worldwide
Best corporate social responsibility programme
Willie Walsh outstanding achievement award
The winners
Just goes to show you can't keep a great company down even if some wish to destroy it from the inside. Any comment from BASSA?
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Would every single one of you please spread the word.
We now have an alternative to Unite, an alternative to McLuskey, and an entire Bassa committee that failed tp stand up to the Secretary and the Chairman.
Mypccc.co.uk will soon have the ability to recruit members as an active Trade Union. The forum will still maintain anonimity, unlike the Bassa Forum where the Secretary "outs" any former Reps or Members that disagree with him.
Let's get atleast 40%, for a start, so will everyone of you now spread the word ????????
Pretty please with a cherry on top.!
We now have an alternative to Unite, an alternative to McLuskey, and an entire Bassa committee that failed tp stand up to the Secretary and the Chairman.
Mypccc.co.uk will soon have the ability to recruit members as an active Trade Union. The forum will still maintain anonimity, unlike the Bassa Forum where the Secretary "outs" any former Reps or Members that disagree with him.
Let's get atleast 40%, for a start, so will everyone of you now spread the word ????????
Pretty please with a cherry on top.!
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As a long time reader but new poster I just want to say a huge congrats and thank you to the PCCC team.
Think this may put the longstanding rumour to bed that the PCCC has been set up by BA management. To be a recognised TU a body must be independant of an organisation. At last we may have sensible people representing our views and protecting our future.
Am reading so much rubbish and hatred on another forum about the PCCC,just shows how uninformed these people really are and how much they rely on galley fm to base any decisions they make.
It's up to PCCC members now to spread the good news,think there are at least 1579 crew out there in limbo land after being told where to go!
For any doubters,I am a EF psr,not a BA manager.
Think this may put the longstanding rumour to bed that the PCCC has been set up by BA management. To be a recognised TU a body must be independant of an organisation. At last we may have sensible people representing our views and protecting our future.
Am reading so much rubbish and hatred on another forum about the PCCC,just shows how uninformed these people really are and how much they rely on galley fm to base any decisions they make.
It's up to PCCC members now to spread the good news,think there are at least 1579 crew out there in limbo land after being told where to go!
For any doubters,I am a EF psr,not a BA manager.
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welcome brownhair
I have not even bothered with that other forum as it was merely a tool for hurling abuse at the defenseless.
I have not had access to Bassa since I started to disagree with the die-hards and fantasists.
This forum, occasionally, deletes posts that would be considered ordinary on that other site.
You will find a better quality of opinionated exchange here as it has Moderators and a policy of protecting free speech whilst observing respect for the forum users.
You are even allowed to put pro-Bassa posts up, we even encourage them so that we can see all points of view.
I encourage you to join the new TU, spread the word.
I have not even bothered with that other forum as it was merely a tool for hurling abuse at the defenseless.
I have not had access to Bassa since I started to disagree with the die-hards and fantasists.
This forum, occasionally, deletes posts that would be considered ordinary on that other site.
You will find a better quality of opinionated exchange here as it has Moderators and a policy of protecting free speech whilst observing respect for the forum users.
You are even allowed to put pro-Bassa posts up, we even encourage them so that we can see all points of view.
I encourage you to join the new TU, spread the word.
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Thanks Lib Dem
You're so right about those other forums although haven't had access to BASSA forum for quite a while now, I do miss it for the laughs though
I am a member of the PCCC already and just directed two friends to the website this morning to join.
Think it could get even more interesting and nasty at work now but am fully ready and prepared for that,skin is growing thicker and thicker by the day!
Like you I am keen for the PCCC to grow,let's hope it does quickly for all our sakes.
Thanks for the welcome,see you on the other forum (the nice one!)
You're so right about those other forums although haven't had access to BASSA forum for quite a while now, I do miss it for the laughs though
I am a member of the PCCC already and just directed two friends to the website this morning to join.
Think it could get even more interesting and nasty at work now but am fully ready and prepared for that,skin is growing thicker and thicker by the day!
Like you I am keen for the PCCC to grow,let's hope it does quickly for all our sakes.
Thanks for the welcome,see you on the other forum (the nice one!)
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Originally Posted by HiFlyer14
The Professional Cabin Crew Council did not apply to be listed. The Certification Office has added us to the list of the Schedule of Trade Unions as you can see here:
The official certification office website. We provide information regarding trade unions, employers' associations, political funds, employment relations and more.
This verifies that, contrary to BASSA rantings, we are completely independent from BA, we are not management. We are cabin crew who believe that BASSA have misled our entire community.
The official certification office website. We provide information regarding trade unions, employers' associations, political funds, employment relations and more.
This verifies that, contrary to BASSA rantings, we are completely independent from BA, we are not management. We are cabin crew who believe that BASSA have misled our entire community.
BASSAwitch
The Professional Cabin Crew Council did not apply to be listed. The Certification Office has added us to the list of the Schedule of Trade Unions as you can see here:
The official certification office website. We provide information regarding trade unions, employers' associations, political funds, employment relations and more.
This verifies that, contrary to BASSA rantings, we are completely independent from BA, we are not management. We are cabin crew who believe that BASSA have misled our entire community.
With over 6000 crew NOT voting in favour of strike action, our community is crying out for change. The PCCC intends to ensure that happens.
The Professional Cabin Crew Council did not apply to be listed. The Certification Office has added us to the list of the Schedule of Trade Unions as you can see here:
The official certification office website. We provide information regarding trade unions, employers' associations, political funds, employment relations and more.
This verifies that, contrary to BASSA rantings, we are completely independent from BA, we are not management. We are cabin crew who believe that BASSA have misled our entire community.
With over 6000 crew NOT voting in favour of strike action, our community is crying out for change. The PCCC intends to ensure that happens.
When CC89 was formed it was registered with the Certification Officer and a certificate to this effect issued. This was displayed in the BA TU offices for all to see yet BASSA persisted with the untruth that it was set up by BA and was not independent.
If the Certification office issues a certificate to PCCC then it means they are independent and are not funded or supported by the employer.
I wish them luck and hope that they can break the mould and release BA crew from the nasty, spiteful grip that BASSA has held over them for so long.
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Good luck to Pccc I hope they get lots of members.
I would love a new union on the ground as gmb and unite are all the same and only look out for the reps and what they want.
Maybe Pccc will open a ground branch once they get going.
Is it Friday they have to announce strike dates by or can it be longer.
I would love a new union on the ground as gmb and unite are all the same and only look out for the reps and what they want.
Maybe Pccc will open a ground branch once they get going.
Is it Friday they have to announce strike dates by or can it be longer.
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I’ve just had a most interesting conversation with my partner, WW PSR, about Litebulb’s post on the SLF thread @ http://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf...ml#post6203409
His post entitled “What is a union?”
I think it may be of benefit to others, perhaps those that find themselves in conversation with fellow CC trying to explain why they have left BASSA.
“A service provider” That’s what your union is, no question in my mind.
Imagine that you had employed a solicitor to represent you in all this, as an individual.
Your solicitor, without asking you, told you to strike for 12 days over Christmas. Then he refused to attend meetings with your employer, he further refused to view relevant documents, BA’s finances.
Your solicitor gave you incorrect advice “you can’t be sacked for striking”. He lied to you “aircraft parked in Wales and doing circuits around LHR.”
Later, on receiving an offer from your employer, he rejected it on your behalf without asking you if thats what you wanted.
Would you be happy with that service? Would you consider changing solicitors?
I would.
My partner is reading the PCCC web site as I type this, I think they have a new member.
His post entitled “What is a union?”
I think it may be of benefit to others, perhaps those that find themselves in conversation with fellow CC trying to explain why they have left BASSA.
“Everyone who works has some understanding of what business is. But who knows what a union is today? I have suggested it is no more than a service provider and I have been slapped down for that, because that opinion does not fit the political agenda of the more left leaning membership. They believe that it is still a movement to protect the working man against the filthy rich.”
Imagine that you had employed a solicitor to represent you in all this, as an individual.
Your solicitor, without asking you, told you to strike for 12 days over Christmas. Then he refused to attend meetings with your employer, he further refused to view relevant documents, BA’s finances.
Your solicitor gave you incorrect advice “you can’t be sacked for striking”. He lied to you “aircraft parked in Wales and doing circuits around LHR.”
Later, on receiving an offer from your employer, he rejected it on your behalf without asking you if thats what you wanted.
Would you be happy with that service? Would you consider changing solicitors?
I would.
My partner is reading the PCCC web site as I type this, I think they have a new member.
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Congratulations PCCC and all the crew who have worked so hard to set it up. Any time you are ready to take some subs from me just let me know. I'd be rubbish as a rep but am happy to support Hiflyer while she represents the rest of us. Feel the fear BASSA, time for a new world!
I would suggest that the PCCC needs exactly people like Ottergirl to become successful, since she's clearly an advocate of CC, whilst being levelheaded in terms of the realities in this economy and she has a healthy dose of common sense. In essence a complete antithesis of BASSA! Now maybe she's not inclined to or doesn't have the time, but she'd definately not be rubbish as a rep...
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Hi Snas
Hi Snas,
Did you solicitor friend promise you Staff Travel back in 5 minutes or a consultative ballot on the newest proposals or did he just make these empty promises and then hope that you would forget all that stuff when it didn't happen?
Good bargain, just saved yourself £17 per month. If you renew when pccc.co.uk kick into action; I'll bet you it will be a bit more competetively priced!
Did you solicitor friend promise you Staff Travel back in 5 minutes or a consultative ballot on the newest proposals or did he just make these empty promises and then hope that you would forget all that stuff when it didn't happen?
Good bargain, just saved yourself £17 per month. If you renew when pccc.co.uk kick into action; I'll bet you it will be a bit more competetively priced!
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So nearly 7 days after the ballot result with 1/4 of BASSAs 28 day mandate gone and not a sniff from any of the unions (BASSA/CC89 or Unite). Unless you count DHs ill advised FIFO diatribe. So what is the plan? It seems a little unprepared to get a strike mandate and then have no clue what to do with it.
BA appear to have no need or desire to have further pointless negotiations so where do the CC unions go from here?
BA appear to have no need or desire to have further pointless negotiations so where do the CC unions go from here?
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Hi Stormin Norman
I don't understand why you would not want to see anyone getting paid for working so hard. Especially as it has all been done gratis up until now.
Fair enough, why pay to a political fund when Unite recommended Mr Milliband as the new Leader of the Labour Party only for him to reject McLuskey's latest rants as antiquated. Wasted a few million there, didn't they ?
As for paying Reps; a different matter. They are entitled to be renumerated for lost wages and lost payments/allowances as a replacement for not getting an income from BA whilst on TU duties.
In the last propoganda sheet I received from Bassa in October 2009, the LHR WW Commitee comprised of 15 lay Reps as well as two Convenors and a Treasurer. Add to this the Bassa Secretary and Chairman PLUS 8 EF Reps and 3 EF Co-ordintors PLUS 4 at LGW (no members there last time we looked) and the H&S Rep = 37 Reps.
Can you imagine the wage bills when they showed up at these Branch Meetings, Strike Days, Unite Meetings on top of everyday meetings with BA and Membership enquiries. Don't have a clue what that adds up to but I reckon they can't afford it now that Mr Holley has ordered 1500+ members to leave on top of the 3000+ already gone.
PCCC have yet to take any subs or pay any Reps but when they do, and I hope it is all set up and running very soon, I will be more than happy to pay a subscription. I am more than hapy for Reps to get paid and I am confident that, without Political funds and Unite's cut, it will be a smaller amount than £17 per month.
It's not about getting something for nothing; it is about obtaining value for money and receiving a quality service. Something that has been sadly lacking for so so long.
Hotel Trash, love the username,
Now that Bassa have portrayed themselves as even worse than useless and ineffective, the only plausible way forward is for PCCC to recruit the required numbers and start working ALONGSIDE and not in total conflict, with their Employer.
Bassa didn't even get on Sky News this time around; yesterday's news - today's chip wrapper.
Fair enough, why pay to a political fund when Unite recommended Mr Milliband as the new Leader of the Labour Party only for him to reject McLuskey's latest rants as antiquated. Wasted a few million there, didn't they ?
As for paying Reps; a different matter. They are entitled to be renumerated for lost wages and lost payments/allowances as a replacement for not getting an income from BA whilst on TU duties.
In the last propoganda sheet I received from Bassa in October 2009, the LHR WW Commitee comprised of 15 lay Reps as well as two Convenors and a Treasurer. Add to this the Bassa Secretary and Chairman PLUS 8 EF Reps and 3 EF Co-ordintors PLUS 4 at LGW (no members there last time we looked) and the H&S Rep = 37 Reps.
Can you imagine the wage bills when they showed up at these Branch Meetings, Strike Days, Unite Meetings on top of everyday meetings with BA and Membership enquiries. Don't have a clue what that adds up to but I reckon they can't afford it now that Mr Holley has ordered 1500+ members to leave on top of the 3000+ already gone.
PCCC have yet to take any subs or pay any Reps but when they do, and I hope it is all set up and running very soon, I will be more than happy to pay a subscription. I am more than hapy for Reps to get paid and I am confident that, without Political funds and Unite's cut, it will be a smaller amount than £17 per month.
It's not about getting something for nothing; it is about obtaining value for money and receiving a quality service. Something that has been sadly lacking for so so long.
Hotel Trash, love the username,
Now that Bassa have portrayed themselves as even worse than useless and ineffective, the only plausible way forward is for PCCC to recruit the required numbers and start working ALONGSIDE and not in total conflict, with their Employer.
Bassa didn't even get on Sky News this time around; yesterday's news - today's chip wrapper.
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As Duncan likes the dramatic maybe he's waiting to make his announcement on the 8th Feb, the anniversary of the famous
"Remember, you can't be sacked for striking or voting YES. Staff travel takes 5 minutes to reinstate..." text.
Well, not 5, but 526,600 minutes later...still waiting for some improvement to happen Dunc.
Your move.
"Remember, you can't be sacked for striking or voting YES. Staff travel takes 5 minutes to reinstate..." text.
Well, not 5, but 526,600 minutes later...still waiting for some improvement to happen Dunc.
Your move.
