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The full post from DH tonight:
Before any union people get their knickers in a twist, I copied the above from a frequent flyer forum, not a union or crew forum.
Just come in from various child minding duties (Louise on a trip) so forgive my late entry into the debate. I think I will let the dust settle a bit before making massive comment but in the meantime can I say this.
A lot of what is said publically these days has to be taken with a pinch of salt and a lot of reading between the lines.
I have no problem with AMICUS’s statement - I have been waiting for 21 years to hear them say what they said tonight and I never thought it would happen. But it has and fair play to them - they are a different beast from the one BA gave birth to back in 1989. They have every right to announce what they have - there is no real discord between us.
Obviously tactically they have chosen to "play" things differently to us. If we had done what they have now done there would be no ballot and many could then criticise us for not facilitating you, the membership, a chance to at least be be heard. My view is - and always will be - everyone has got to have a chance to cast their vote, whether they are rabid constant forum users or live in the outback of Australia with no contact with the outside world. That is a basic right of union membership and to ensure that would happen we (BASSA) had to take steps that most of us felt uncomfortable with, but it was for the greater long term good.
With the greatest of respect, something else you have to consider here. No matter how much you are - understandably - frustrated with Unite, when it comes to calling IA ballots they have the final say. So falling out with them could mean cutting off our own noses to spite our face. Think hard on that. The BASSA committee know what we are doing, this is not a 2-way dogfight between us and BA - there is a third interested party in this high stakes poker game and we must be aware of that in all our tactical moves. Everything is done with a purpose, please bear that in mind.
So where to we go from here - well WW could spit his dummy on the back of AMICUS’s statement or he might prefer to let things ride - we will know soon enough.
The ballot is still not ready to go out because BA are unhappy with us including the reps letter which we published on this website on Sunday.
Is it right that BA should dictate what we say in a preamble to a ballot, despite the fact it has been on our website? That debate was taking place tonight before AMICUS walked into the headlights.
The whole thing is quite bizarre. But please remember BA are reading every word. AMICUS BASSA and UNITE need to keep united. personallyI think WW is vulnerable, there are cracks and doubts much deeper than ours so, let’s just keep our nerve. I think there will be some more developments over the next 48 hours and I will get back to you when and if.
Please keep calm, I am not unduly worried by any of today’s events - remember this is a game of poker and that is not trying to belittle the stress, strains and confusion I know you are all feeling. Keep the Faith. It has been a year since we started down this never ending road but we have come too far to be diverted from the the cause that set us on the road in the first place .Rgds Duncan
A lot of what is said publically these days has to be taken with a pinch of salt and a lot of reading between the lines.
I have no problem with AMICUS’s statement - I have been waiting for 21 years to hear them say what they said tonight and I never thought it would happen. But it has and fair play to them - they are a different beast from the one BA gave birth to back in 1989. They have every right to announce what they have - there is no real discord between us.
Obviously tactically they have chosen to "play" things differently to us. If we had done what they have now done there would be no ballot and many could then criticise us for not facilitating you, the membership, a chance to at least be be heard. My view is - and always will be - everyone has got to have a chance to cast their vote, whether they are rabid constant forum users or live in the outback of Australia with no contact with the outside world. That is a basic right of union membership and to ensure that would happen we (BASSA) had to take steps that most of us felt uncomfortable with, but it was for the greater long term good.
With the greatest of respect, something else you have to consider here. No matter how much you are - understandably - frustrated with Unite, when it comes to calling IA ballots they have the final say. So falling out with them could mean cutting off our own noses to spite our face. Think hard on that. The BASSA committee know what we are doing, this is not a 2-way dogfight between us and BA - there is a third interested party in this high stakes poker game and we must be aware of that in all our tactical moves. Everything is done with a purpose, please bear that in mind.
So where to we go from here - well WW could spit his dummy on the back of AMICUS’s statement or he might prefer to let things ride - we will know soon enough.
The ballot is still not ready to go out because BA are unhappy with us including the reps letter which we published on this website on Sunday.
Is it right that BA should dictate what we say in a preamble to a ballot, despite the fact it has been on our website? That debate was taking place tonight before AMICUS walked into the headlights.
The whole thing is quite bizarre. But please remember BA are reading every word. AMICUS BASSA and UNITE need to keep united. personallyI think WW is vulnerable, there are cracks and doubts much deeper than ours so, let’s just keep our nerve. I think there will be some more developments over the next 48 hours and I will get back to you when and if.
Please keep calm, I am not unduly worried by any of today’s events - remember this is a game of poker and that is not trying to belittle the stress, strains and confusion I know you are all feeling. Keep the Faith. It has been a year since we started down this never ending road but we have come too far to be diverted from the the cause that set us on the road in the first place .Rgds Duncan
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This business of opening up pprune accounts using similar or same names of some of the posters on the BASSA site only gives the impression that you do worry or care about what is being said on the BASSA site. I also wonder if legally those individuals have any rights if they are deliberalty being misrepersented?
Come on your bigger than that and its so childish!!
Come on your bigger than that and its so childish!!
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Rosiegirl please come back !
If you are receiving threatening emails from that lot, it really doesn't surprise anyone anymore; that is about all they are good at.
I actually did think that you may be the same one as from the other forum that i used to disagree with regularly but I still respected your views anyhow.
Your comments here are very much appreciated as you eloquently put across a point of view that many of us share and a point that the other forum users could do well to learn from.
I actually did think that you may be the same one as from the other forum that i used to disagree with regularly but I still respected your views anyhow.
Your comments here are very much appreciated as you eloquently put across a point of view that many of us share and a point that the other forum users could do well to learn from.
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ummmm see some posts have been removed.
May be worth thinking about the content and the intent of the post before hitting the "submit reply" button in future. Once its pressed and viewable its too late.
You can't hide behind a user name!
May be worth thinking about the content and the intent of the post before hitting the "submit reply" button in future. Once its pressed and viewable its too late.
You can't hide behind a user name!
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Now that the Amicus reps have had their hissy, the silence from the BA camp is almost deafening. BASSA clearly are hoping that BA management will withdraw the offer as a consequence, leaving the branches the opportunity to go for a strike ballot. But the indications are that BA are not playing that game. Indeed, only yesterday Willie Walsh was asked at a staff forum if there was any expiry date on the offer put forward. His reply was that there was no time limit on the offer, so clearly this fit of pique by the CC89 reps has had zero impact. The expectation from BA is that the union will ballot members for acceptance. He was also pretty unequivocal in stating that in the event of another strike, he expected to run a 100% longhaul service and the majority of shorthaul ops.
What is now abundantly clear is that BASSA and CC89 have lost the opportunity to go for a strike at Christmas. The ballot still hasn't gone out and there are now only seven weeks to go till the festive season. Not enough for balloting, getting agreement from Unite for a strike ballot, conducting it and giving a weeks notice. Robbed of that chance, what will the union side do ?
Even if the offer is rejected, will they then go for a strike ballot for January ? A time when flights have lighter loads ? If they let it drag on into next year, believing that the next best opportunity will be Easter 2011, how many of the 'faithhful' are prepared to hang on that long ? Oh sure the Miss M's will huff and puff and proclaim that they would 'fight this to the bitter end', but there is a deal of difference between what they say and what they will do.
Face it. BA are going more than the extra mile right now. They could have withdrawn staff travel from the strikers two days ago because of the Amicus capers, but they haven't. Time for the rank and file to speak out. Many are weary of the battle. The union have said that this is the best deal available. It won't get any better, despite what the various reps would have you believe. Time to bury the hatchet.
What is now abundantly clear is that BASSA and CC89 have lost the opportunity to go for a strike at Christmas. The ballot still hasn't gone out and there are now only seven weeks to go till the festive season. Not enough for balloting, getting agreement from Unite for a strike ballot, conducting it and giving a weeks notice. Robbed of that chance, what will the union side do ?
Even if the offer is rejected, will they then go for a strike ballot for January ? A time when flights have lighter loads ? If they let it drag on into next year, believing that the next best opportunity will be Easter 2011, how many of the 'faithhful' are prepared to hang on that long ? Oh sure the Miss M's will huff and puff and proclaim that they would 'fight this to the bitter end', but there is a deal of difference between what they say and what they will do.
Face it. BA are going more than the extra mile right now. They could have withdrawn staff travel from the strikers two days ago because of the Amicus capers, but they haven't. Time for the rank and file to speak out. Many are weary of the battle. The union have said that this is the best deal available. It won't get any better, despite what the various reps would have you believe. Time to bury the hatchet.
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Welcome, Rosiegirl!
I can't believe the threatening message you got. I remember the original Rosiegirl's posts on the BASSA forum before I resigned from the union. It is a wee bit amusing that the "person" who messaged you, assumed that you'd want people to think you were the BASSA one, who always seemed to me to have no grip on reality. You clearly do, and it heartened me to read your posts.
Well done you for having the guts to tell us your BASSA story. You really aren't alone. I was with them for decades, and along with others, resigned. I'm currently non-unionised. I felt it was the only way I could send a message to UNITE that the BASSA leadership needs to be dealt with. When it is, I will happily rejoin.
In the meantime, in 23 years with BA, I haven't needed BASSA representation at a disciplinary, as I don't steal from BA, and am not rude to passengers. Judging by the things you've said and the way you express yourself, you won't be up for a disciplinary anytime soon, so don't worry on that score. And if you have an accident at work, there are a ton of solicitors' firms who will fight on a no-win, no fee basis.
We do need representation in negotiations, though. So I'm waiting impatiently for TW to do something about his problem branch.
I can't believe the threatening message you got. I remember the original Rosiegirl's posts on the BASSA forum before I resigned from the union. It is a wee bit amusing that the "person" who messaged you, assumed that you'd want people to think you were the BASSA one, who always seemed to me to have no grip on reality. You clearly do, and it heartened me to read your posts.
Well done you for having the guts to tell us your BASSA story. You really aren't alone. I was with them for decades, and along with others, resigned. I'm currently non-unionised. I felt it was the only way I could send a message to UNITE that the BASSA leadership needs to be dealt with. When it is, I will happily rejoin.
In the meantime, in 23 years with BA, I haven't needed BASSA representation at a disciplinary, as I don't steal from BA, and am not rude to passengers. Judging by the things you've said and the way you express yourself, you won't be up for a disciplinary anytime soon, so don't worry on that score. And if you have an accident at work, there are a ton of solicitors' firms who will fight on a no-win, no fee basis.
We do need representation in negotiations, though. So I'm waiting impatiently for TW to do something about his problem branch.
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I am also currently non unionised having tried to send a message too.
I unfortunately went through 9 months of EG901 for "bullying and harassment" and at this time was a member of Unite.To be quite honest the union reps who came with me to the various hearings didn't have much of an idea as to the processes anyway. They are not permitted to say a lot just stop the hearing and advise you. I represented myself in the end. Thankfully the whole thing was thrown out.
Rosiegirl if you are unlucky enough to go through something like this, which is rare, you will be fine with another colleagueto accompany you.
Hopefully once they sort themselves out those who have left can consider rejoining the union - I'm not holiding my breath however!
I unfortunately went through 9 months of EG901 for "bullying and harassment" and at this time was a member of Unite.To be quite honest the union reps who came with me to the various hearings didn't have much of an idea as to the processes anyway. They are not permitted to say a lot just stop the hearing and advise you. I represented myself in the end. Thankfully the whole thing was thrown out.
Rosiegirl if you are unlucky enough to go through something like this, which is rare, you will be fine with another colleagueto accompany you.
Hopefully once they sort themselves out those who have left can consider rejoining the union - I'm not holiding my breath however!
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Colonel White said,
Even if the offer is rejected, will they then go for a strike ballot for January ? A time when flights have lighter loads ? If they let it drag on into next year, believing that the next best opportunity will be Easter 2011, how many of the 'faithhful' are prepared to hang on that long ? Oh sure the Miss M's will huff and puff and proclaim that they would 'fight this to the bitter end', but there is a deal of difference between what they say and what they will do.
Even if the offer is rejected, will they then go for a strike ballot for January ? A time when flights have lighter loads ? If they let it drag on into next year, believing that the next best opportunity will be Easter 2011, how many of the 'faithhful' are prepared to hang on that long ? Oh sure the Miss M's will huff and puff and proclaim that they would 'fight this to the bitter end', but there is a deal of difference between what they say and what they will do.
In my experience of flying with crew who have taken industrial action, I think most of them are worn out by this whole dispute and would like to see an end to it. Only yesterday, I flew with someone who said that they will not be taking further industrial action and this individual is one of many. Most will talk the talk but few will walk the walk.
With lighter loads as Colonel White mentioned, and a reduction in the amount of work that we're used to, this will also result in lack of rest day working for those who supplement their income by overtime. This having an impact on crew's earnings, I also cannot see the support that the strike had previously.
On another point of interest, now that Staff Travel has been re-instated on an ID90 basis, will the Branch Secretary use his wife's concessions for standby travel or accompany her on a Christmas trip perhaps? Not relevant I know, but just being mischievous!
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Don't let these thugs bully you. Take time and make the decision right for you (and keep the name). How dare these pea brained idiots demand you change just because it's the same as a BASSA poster.
I suspect the real reason they abused you is that you asked some very difficult questions. I am guessing at your ex rep and the house. I have asked questions here re income from subs and have had no reasonable response.
I have no evidence but if your house price is accurate then it is surely out of the league of a BA CSD unless independently wealthy.
I suspect that if the lid ever got lifted on this shadowy group of self serving individuals many would not like the smell that eminated from some of them.
Don't let these thugs bully you. Take time and make the decision right for you (and keep the name). How dare these pea brained idiots demand you change just because it's the same as a BASSA poster.
I suspect the real reason they abused you is that you asked some very difficult questions. I am guessing at your ex rep and the house. I have asked questions here re income from subs and have had no reasonable response.
I have no evidence but if your house price is accurate then it is surely out of the league of a BA CSD unless independently wealthy.
I suspect that if the lid ever got lifted on this shadowy group of self serving individuals many would not like the smell that eminated from some of them.
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Reason(s) for dismissal
I understand that the term "gross misconduct" has been used in some newspapers to explain the reason(s) to the dismissals amongst the cabin crew. Could anyone actually give any more specific examples of the reason(s)? What have they actually done to lose their jobs? I read the open letter from some of the dismissed crew to Unite and was surprised to see a name of a particular person.
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Wow xxxxxx what a really unpleasant post. So unpleasant in fact I was tempted not to respond but because of my professional duty I will try to explain -
Firstly I am not saying mistakes have not been made along this very long road, that would have been an impossible task to deliver. No one - even you - can surely claim to be 100% perfect. But since we released news of Columbus I think our successes have outweighed our minuses. My conscience is very clean on that score.
But for many reasons (some of them impossible to be 100% public about) I believe this recent decision taken to be another plus in the overall bigger picture. Read on
As I have said many times this dispute is just not about BASSA v BA. We have to factor in a third very important party and that is Unite - and that is a political minefield that has to be "played" "nurtured" and "manipulated". No, that is not an ideal situation - I would much rather we were the master of our own destiny (and maybe we will be one day) - but for the duration of this dispute, at least, we have to make do with what we have got. Quite a few reps wanted to reject the deal, myself and Lizanne included, but weighing up the practicalities and the fact Woodley would have been reluctant to give us an IA ballot without taking the deal to the membership, we all agreed after a long debate and vote to remain neutral to enable a consultative process to take place - in contrast to 2007.
Walsh would not have that. We could have then told him where to stick it, but - and this is crucial - in the end the importance of letting YOU tell him where to stick it (if that was what you wanted) swayed the argument and we very reluctantly let the ballot progress with a red ringed "recommendation". We were confident the membership would see why we were doing what we were. We would get to where we want to be albeit it taking a little longer. Now to answer the nasty bit
As for developing some balls - not a phrase I particulary like using but let me tell you something. I have known Lizanne for 35 years, and no stewardess has "bigger balls" - in fact no person I know is as loyal, straight-talking, unafraid and unflinching against all odds. She is plain talking, fearless and probabably the most unselfish, generous person I have ever known. Your post is incredibly insulting and totally unwarranted. You should have been around on the day the Daily Mail plastered her face all over their front page in an attempt to turn the general public against her. She caught the tube to London that day - she had a duty to represent you. That xxxxxx took balls!
As for myself - well I'll just give you facts. I have participated in every strike in BA over the last 35 years and been on every picket line. I have been suspended 4 times, faced three gross misconduct charges - 2 of which I survived. Last time I was not so lucky but I knew what was right and what was wrong and gritted my teeth. So sticking up for my union rights I got dismissed. I knew all along that was my likely fate but because I believed I was in the right and could not let BA dictate to me how and when to conduct my union responsibilties I made the stand. I sacrificed a career because, for the future branch secretaries of BASSA and the future reps - it was the right thing to do and I would do it again tomorrow. And you want me to grow some balls? You do?
Well xxxxxx, the good news for you is that come Dec 2011 - 13 months time - you will be able to display how big your balls are and stand for either Chairman or Branch Secretary because I am not standing and I believe Lizanne too is stepping down. Outsiders ie non reps are quite entitled to step in and stand for the 2 leadership positions, so I will look forward to receiving nominations from those of you who think you could do a better job. Seriously xxxxxxx you seem quite a warrior so give serious consideration to putting your name forward. However, speaking as someone who has been in a hotseat for more than 13 years, let me assure you, whilst the job is stimulating and (
Firstly I am not saying mistakes have not been made along this very long road, that would have been an impossible task to deliver. No one - even you - can surely claim to be 100% perfect. But since we released news of Columbus I think our successes have outweighed our minuses. My conscience is very clean on that score.
But for many reasons (some of them impossible to be 100% public about) I believe this recent decision taken to be another plus in the overall bigger picture. Read on
As I have said many times this dispute is just not about BASSA v BA. We have to factor in a third very important party and that is Unite - and that is a political minefield that has to be "played" "nurtured" and "manipulated". No, that is not an ideal situation - I would much rather we were the master of our own destiny (and maybe we will be one day) - but for the duration of this dispute, at least, we have to make do with what we have got. Quite a few reps wanted to reject the deal, myself and Lizanne included, but weighing up the practicalities and the fact Woodley would have been reluctant to give us an IA ballot without taking the deal to the membership, we all agreed after a long debate and vote to remain neutral to enable a consultative process to take place - in contrast to 2007.
Walsh would not have that. We could have then told him where to stick it, but - and this is crucial - in the end the importance of letting YOU tell him where to stick it (if that was what you wanted) swayed the argument and we very reluctantly let the ballot progress with a red ringed "recommendation". We were confident the membership would see why we were doing what we were. We would get to where we want to be albeit it taking a little longer. Now to answer the nasty bit
As for developing some balls - not a phrase I particulary like using but let me tell you something. I have known Lizanne for 35 years, and no stewardess has "bigger balls" - in fact no person I know is as loyal, straight-talking, unafraid and unflinching against all odds. She is plain talking, fearless and probabably the most unselfish, generous person I have ever known. Your post is incredibly insulting and totally unwarranted. You should have been around on the day the Daily Mail plastered her face all over their front page in an attempt to turn the general public against her. She caught the tube to London that day - she had a duty to represent you. That xxxxxx took balls!
As for myself - well I'll just give you facts. I have participated in every strike in BA over the last 35 years and been on every picket line. I have been suspended 4 times, faced three gross misconduct charges - 2 of which I survived. Last time I was not so lucky but I knew what was right and what was wrong and gritted my teeth. So sticking up for my union rights I got dismissed. I knew all along that was my likely fate but because I believed I was in the right and could not let BA dictate to me how and when to conduct my union responsibilties I made the stand. I sacrificed a career because, for the future branch secretaries of BASSA and the future reps - it was the right thing to do and I would do it again tomorrow. And you want me to grow some balls? You do?
Well xxxxxx, the good news for you is that come Dec 2011 - 13 months time - you will be able to display how big your balls are and stand for either Chairman or Branch Secretary because I am not standing and I believe Lizanne too is stepping down. Outsiders ie non reps are quite entitled to step in and stand for the 2 leadership positions, so I will look forward to receiving nominations from those of you who think you could do a better job. Seriously xxxxxxx you seem quite a warrior so give serious consideration to putting your name forward. However, speaking as someone who has been in a hotseat for more than 13 years, let me assure you, whilst the job is stimulating and (
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Lizanne for 35 years, and no stewardess has "bigger balls" - in fact no person I know is as loyal, straight-talking, unafraid and unflinching against all odds. She is plain talking, fearless
Its very easy to consistently say 'No' and then wait for the opposition to fold but a little more difficult if the situation demands a little more grey matter manipulation than 'big balls'.
And they wonder why they got into this position.
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I have participated in every strike in BA over the last 35 years and been on every picket line. I have been suspended 4 times, faced three gross misconduct charges - 2 of which I survived.
Drunken portrays those facts as a good thing.
And as for staying for another year? Well you wouldn't throw that sort of cash away would you?
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The quoted posting from DH is vaguely interesting. It would seem that he and Lizanne were intending to hang around until they hit 55. Under the new age discrimination legislation I thought that cabin crew could continue flying beyond this limit, or have I got the wrong end of the stick ?
It would also seem that he has accepted that there is no way that he will get a job back with BA, yet seems determined to cling on to his union post despite this. Can't quite see the membership swallowing having a branch secretary who is not employed, but then the BASSA membership are full of surprises.
The choice of language is also quaint. He speaks of the relationship with the Unite leadership as needing to be "played" "nurtured" and "manipulated". In other words, from Unite's perspective he isn't to be trusted. Strange thing to put in the public domain...
What is abundantly clear is that the BASSA executive is not united. Having made a democratic decision, they are incapable of uniting behind it. It's bad enough having the cabin crew area served by two dysfunctional branches, but when the individual branches are in a state of anarchy themselves, there really is no hope of aproximating to a settlement. Small wonder that the Unite leadership are keen to bring the curtain down on this dismal affair.
It would also seem that he has accepted that there is no way that he will get a job back with BA, yet seems determined to cling on to his union post despite this. Can't quite see the membership swallowing having a branch secretary who is not employed, but then the BASSA membership are full of surprises.
The choice of language is also quaint. He speaks of the relationship with the Unite leadership as needing to be "played" "nurtured" and "manipulated". In other words, from Unite's perspective he isn't to be trusted. Strange thing to put in the public domain...
What is abundantly clear is that the BASSA executive is not united. Having made a democratic decision, they are incapable of uniting behind it. It's bad enough having the cabin crew area served by two dysfunctional branches, but when the individual branches are in a state of anarchy themselves, there really is no hope of aproximating to a settlement. Small wonder that the Unite leadership are keen to bring the curtain down on this dismal affair.
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So sticking up for my union rights I got dismissed. I knew all along that was my likely fate but because I believed I was in the right and could not let BA dictate to me how and when to conduct my union responsibilties I made the stand.
Or translated, I could not let my employer dictate to me how and when I should come to work and do the job that they pay me to do.
Unbelievable, still doesn't get it, there really is no hope!
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His name is Duncan not “Drunken”.
I believe he takes 5%.
As a member I would expect my branch secretary to organise the most important ballot in the past 10 years.
The company refused to give him the time off, what should he have done?
Are you suggesting he let down the membership by not giving them the chance to be balloted?
I believe he takes 5%.
As a member I would expect my branch secretary to organise the most important ballot in the past 10 years.
The company refused to give him the time off, what should he have done?
Are you suggesting he let down the membership by not giving them the chance to be balloted?
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As a member I would expect my branch secretary to organise the most important ballot in the past 10 years.
The company refused to give him the time off, what should he have done?
Are you suggesting he let down the membership by not giving them the chance to be balloted?
The company refused to give him the time off, what should he have done?
Are you suggesting he let down the membership by not giving them the chance to be balloted?