BA CC industrial relations (current airline staff only)
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1. A job. Not many about these days - I will give you that 
2. A chance to influence and choose roster build - You reckon that will work in your favour?
3. Promotion based on ability - There can only ever be so many chiefs and as you only have 1 SCCM the promotion opportunities will be very limited
4. Closer management and apprasil - Easier to get rid of people
5. Bonus (prp) - LOL yeah ok
6. Share options - Rather have the cash
7. New aircraft - Such as?
8. Fresh team with a can do attitude - Are you saying that current crew dont?
9. Chance to have a union that has a representation that mirrors it's subscribers - Which Union are you on about? There are only 2
10. Chance for q fresh start with a company that has survived the rescission and with a CEO who will make the tough choices needed - He's leaving and BA was always going to survive
2. A chance to influence and choose roster build - You reckon that will work in your favour?
3. Promotion based on ability - There can only ever be so many chiefs and as you only have 1 SCCM the promotion opportunities will be very limited
4. Closer management and apprasil - Easier to get rid of people
5. Bonus (prp) - LOL yeah ok
6. Share options - Rather have the cash
7. New aircraft - Such as?
8. Fresh team with a can do attitude - Are you saying that current crew dont?
9. Chance to have a union that has a representation that mirrors it's subscribers - Which Union are you on about? There are only 2
10. Chance for q fresh start with a company that has survived the rescission and with a CEO who will make the tough choices needed - He's leaving and BA was always going to survive
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8. Fresh team with a can do attitude - Are you saying that current crew dont?
9. Chance to have a union that has a representation that mirrors it's subscribers - Which Union are you on about? There are only 2
9. Chance to have a union that has a representation that mirrors it's subscribers - Which Union are you on about? There are only 2
My understanding is that BA have repeatedly stated that they will recognise UNITE as far as NF is concerned.. that is UNITE minus BASSA of course.
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"I am pleased to confirm that I will recommend to the BA Main Board to reinstate remaining staff travel concessions under the following circumstances:
Acceptance and implementation of the agreement"
Not sure whether that means ID90's are returned before that or not.
"I am pleased to confirm that I will recommend to the BA Main Board to reinstate remaining staff travel concessions under the following circumstances:
Acceptance and implementation of the agreement"
Not sure whether that means ID90's are returned before that or not.
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Full details here: . 20th October OFFER UPDATE
Will this dispute FINALLY be over? At least this time it is an independent ballot, being conducted by Electoral Reform Services.
Let's hope this dispute is finally over, although the scars will remain for a very long time...
(Opinions above are my own, not those of my employer)
Will this dispute FINALLY be over? At least this time it is an independent ballot, being conducted by Electoral Reform Services.
Let's hope this dispute is finally over, although the scars will remain for a very long time...
(Opinions above are my own, not those of my employer)
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So much cynicism upperdeckpsr, what do you really want?
What about the rest of us non cabin crew, who have not had a pay rise for at least two years, coupled with our change of working practises, increased workload dating back five years, and zero guarantees for the future. Curious!
What about the rest of us non cabin crew, who have not had a pay rise for at least two years, coupled with our change of working practises, increased workload dating back five years, and zero guarantees for the future. Curious!
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8. Fresh team with a can do attitude - Are you saying that current crew dont?
There is a direct correlation between those who have a "CAN'T DO" attitude and their support of Industrial Action. All the CSD's who I worked with during the strike periods were excellent before all this trouble and all the ones with yellow pens, XXXX bag tags were useless long before all this strife.
Militancy is born of a sense of misplaced entitlement. Harsh but true.
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New aircraft. You have not read your BA notices?
BA have on order the A380 and B787. Both will be all MF crewed.
BA have on order the A380 and B787. Both will be all MF crewed.
Access to aircraft type – It is the company’s intention to deploy new aircraft based on commercial need across existing and new fleets. New aircraft will be introduced on a fair and transparent basis across all the company’s fleets. Existing crew terms, conditions and fleet agreements will apply when new aircraft are operated on existing fleets. As new aircraft are introduced across all of the company’s fleets, crew will be trained in order to receive the necessary licenses as required by regulation.
(Above opinions are my own, not those of my employer)
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Brendan Barber
General Secretary TUC
Congress House
Great Russell Street
London
WC1B 3LS
15 October 2010
Dear Brendan
Offer to reach agreement
Further to your request during previous discussions and the subsequent new offer to reach agreement I want to be clear about the company’s position on travel concessions.
I am restoring the non contractual and discretionary ID90 travel discount facility with immediate effect, with a reset joining date of 21 October 2010 for those who took industrial action during March-June of this year.
I am pleased to confirm that I will recommend to the BA Main Board to reinstate remaining staff travel concessions under the following circumstances.
1. Acceptance and implementation of the agreement
Obviously the offer made today needs to be agreed and ratified by a ballot of all members and then implemented. All parts of the union, Unite, BASSA and Amicus, must recommend acceptance.
2. Behaviours
A key element of the agreement is the need for both parties to conduct industrial relations differently from today. Industrial relations in this business needs to be more positive, respectful, open and understanding to the needs of the company and its managers, as well as its employees.
In line with the spirit of the agreement, communications issued by Unite and its branches must be more balanced and measured than they have been. The company will continue to ensure that its communications are balanced and objective.
Union representatives need to work positively and in good faith with the company to resolve conduct, performance, attendance and grievance matters in a reasonable timescale and without undue delay.
3. Litigation
Unite will not directly or indirectly commence, continue to pursue, fund or otherwise support any litigation against the company arising in relation to it’s calls for strike action or the strike action which it’s members took in December 2009, and/or March, May and June 2010. Details of the specific claims are included in the letter dated 15th October between British Airways Legal Dept and OH Parsons acting on behalf of Unite.
On this basis, I will recommend to the BA Main Board to authorise the granting of the remaining non-contractual staff travel concessions to those crew who no longer enjoy the concessions as detailed below:-
• Restoration at the beginning of the Staff Travel year 01 April 2013, for all non-contractual and discretionary service and status related travel facilities including free ticket eligibility and recognition of service in the operation of all tickets including the ID90 facility.
Finally, and as you know, I must be clear that whilst I intend to proceed on the basis set out in this letter, it is not a binding contract and nothing in it does, or is intended to, alter the non-contractual nature of staff travel concessions.
I hope you find this helpful and I look forward to the successful implementation of the agreement.
Yours sincerely
Willie Walsh
Chief Executive Officer
General Secretary TUC
Congress House
Great Russell Street
London
WC1B 3LS
15 October 2010
Dear Brendan
Offer to reach agreement
Further to your request during previous discussions and the subsequent new offer to reach agreement I want to be clear about the company’s position on travel concessions.
I am restoring the non contractual and discretionary ID90 travel discount facility with immediate effect, with a reset joining date of 21 October 2010 for those who took industrial action during March-June of this year.
I am pleased to confirm that I will recommend to the BA Main Board to reinstate remaining staff travel concessions under the following circumstances.
1. Acceptance and implementation of the agreement
Obviously the offer made today needs to be agreed and ratified by a ballot of all members and then implemented. All parts of the union, Unite, BASSA and Amicus, must recommend acceptance.
2. Behaviours
A key element of the agreement is the need for both parties to conduct industrial relations differently from today. Industrial relations in this business needs to be more positive, respectful, open and understanding to the needs of the company and its managers, as well as its employees.
In line with the spirit of the agreement, communications issued by Unite and its branches must be more balanced and measured than they have been. The company will continue to ensure that its communications are balanced and objective.
Union representatives need to work positively and in good faith with the company to resolve conduct, performance, attendance and grievance matters in a reasonable timescale and without undue delay.
3. Litigation
Unite will not directly or indirectly commence, continue to pursue, fund or otherwise support any litigation against the company arising in relation to it’s calls for strike action or the strike action which it’s members took in December 2009, and/or March, May and June 2010. Details of the specific claims are included in the letter dated 15th October between British Airways Legal Dept and OH Parsons acting on behalf of Unite.
On this basis, I will recommend to the BA Main Board to authorise the granting of the remaining non-contractual staff travel concessions to those crew who no longer enjoy the concessions as detailed below:-
• Restoration at the beginning of the Staff Travel year 01 April 2013, for all non-contractual and discretionary service and status related travel facilities including free ticket eligibility and recognition of service in the operation of all tickets including the ID90 facility.
Finally, and as you know, I must be clear that whilst I intend to proceed on the basis set out in this letter, it is not a binding contract and nothing in it does, or is intended to, alter the non-contractual nature of staff travel concessions.
I hope you find this helpful and I look forward to the successful implementation of the agreement.
Yours sincerely
Willie Walsh
Chief Executive Officer
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Upperdeckpsr,
Just to finally put your argument out of it's misery, this is from the official offer:
So, looks like you were wrong about that.
Just to finally put your argument out of it's misery, this is from the official offer:
The new fleet
The mixed flying fleet for new crew, with separate terms and conditions and bargaining rights will begin flying on 1 November 2010. There will be a separate negotiating body for the new fleet, which will not discuss the terms and conditions of current crew.
The mixed flying fleet for new crew, with separate terms and conditions and bargaining rights will begin flying on 1 November 2010. There will be a separate negotiating body for the new fleet, which will not discuss the terms and conditions of current crew.
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This proposal is nothing but a waste of time.
ST returned but no seniority until 2013? Sign away your right to strike? BA 'intending' to move a fair share of routes to Mixed Fleet?
No deal for me. See you at Bedfont!
ST returned but no seniority until 2013? Sign away your right to strike? BA 'intending' to move a fair share of routes to Mixed Fleet?
No deal for me. See you at Bedfont!
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Just read the BA Revised Proposal (Oct 16th).
Can I just say that this proposal has had no input from the top table at Bassa as this was rejected by them, in its entirity, and strike action was taken thereafter.
So what was the strike all about if the same Bassa Leadership Team are now recommending that we accept it?
All Bassa have done is interfere in the negotiations and cause trouble and strife, of never-before-seen levels, for the community.
I have just checked the payments that replace ETP and LRP payments and I am actually no worse off than before.
ST has been reinstated and ACAS will overlook the disciplinaries that were IA related.
I'm just glad it's nearly all over, but I feel very sad for those that have suffered from the bullying and harrassment from Bassa during the last year and to all the customers whose forgiveness we must all now beg for.
Can I just say that this proposal has had no input from the top table at Bassa as this was rejected by them, in its entirity, and strike action was taken thereafter.
So what was the strike all about if the same Bassa Leadership Team are now recommending that we accept it?
All Bassa have done is interfere in the negotiations and cause trouble and strife, of never-before-seen levels, for the community.
I have just checked the payments that replace ETP and LRP payments and I am actually no worse off than before.
ST has been reinstated and ACAS will overlook the disciplinaries that were IA related.
I'm just glad it's nearly all over, but I feel very sad for those that have suffered from the bullying and harrassment from Bassa during the last year and to all the customers whose forgiveness we must all now beg for.
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Individual vs Collective
Comparing the Individual Offer made on 25 June to that dated 15 Oct, I can see the following differences:
1) Route transfers - it is now specified that these will be discussed with Unite
2) Top-up payment - the IO stated that the payment will only be made to those crew who do not participate in IA. The new offer states that the payment will not be made to any crew taking part in IA, in the year that the IA takes place. The new offer also clarifies that the top-up year is 01/11 - 31/10
3) The following paragraphs in the new offer were not in the IO:
a) Opportunies for LGW Crew (altho my IO was specific to LHR)
b) Disruption Agreement
c) Working Together
d) Future IR framework
e) Policy
4) Summary - the 2nd & 3rd paragraphs of this section were not in the IO
5) Appendix 1 - In the IO, Telephone & Language Allowances are listed as not forming part of the top-up scheme. They are not mentioned in the new offer.
1) Route transfers - it is now specified that these will be discussed with Unite
2) Top-up payment - the IO stated that the payment will only be made to those crew who do not participate in IA. The new offer states that the payment will not be made to any crew taking part in IA, in the year that the IA takes place. The new offer also clarifies that the top-up year is 01/11 - 31/10
3) The following paragraphs in the new offer were not in the IO:
a) Opportunies for LGW Crew (altho my IO was specific to LHR)
b) Disruption Agreement
c) Working Together
d) Future IR framework
e) Policy
4) Summary - the 2nd & 3rd paragraphs of this section were not in the IO
5) Appendix 1 - In the IO, Telephone & Language Allowances are listed as not forming part of the top-up scheme. They are not mentioned in the new offer.
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Whatever the proposal was or wasn't going to look like;people with your attitude will always oppose it regardless.
I cannot begin to comprehend what an acceptable deal looks like in your little bubble.
Did you not see the budget on the telly today ? You really need to compare our plight alongside that of our neighbours, brothers and sisters.
You most certainly won't be seeing me at Bedfont.
Whatever the proposal was or wasn't going to look like;people with your attitude will always oppose it regardless.
I cannot begin to comprehend what an acceptable deal looks like in your little bubble.
Did you not see the budget on the telly today ? You really need to compare our plight alongside that of our neighbours, brothers and sisters.
You most certainly won't be seeing me at Bedfont.
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This proposal is nothing but a waste of time.
ST returned but no seniority until 2013? Sign away your right to strike? BA 'intending' to move a fair share of routes to Mixed Fleet?
No deal for me. See you at Bedfont!
ST returned but no seniority until 2013? Sign away your right to strike? BA 'intending' to move a fair share of routes to Mixed Fleet?
No deal for me. See you at Bedfont!
Stay warm!
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Miss M
You need to ask yourself 2 questions
How many people feel like Lib Dem ? Will they outvote you?
If you outvote the moderates, what will you do next, as UNITE will not be backing you?
I am truly sorry you have been so badly led to this position.
I am, honestly.
If my pilot's leaders union had given us guidance, we would probably have followed them too.
Unfortunately BASSA's leaders are not so cerebral in their approach.
The mere fact that they are trying to emphasise that the membership will decide what happens next, as opposed to the direction THEY HAVE DECIDED these last 18 months, says to me that they are hoping people voting like Lib Dem will allow them to lay the blame elsewhere.
You need to ask yourself 2 questions
How many people feel like Lib Dem ? Will they outvote you?
If you outvote the moderates, what will you do next, as UNITE will not be backing you?
I am truly sorry you have been so badly led to this position.
I am, honestly.
If my pilot's leaders union had given us guidance, we would probably have followed them too.
Unfortunately BASSA's leaders are not so cerebral in their approach.
The mere fact that they are trying to emphasise that the membership will decide what happens next, as opposed to the direction THEY HAVE DECIDED these last 18 months, says to me that they are hoping people voting like Lib Dem will allow them to lay the blame elsewhere.
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This proposal is nothing but a waste of time.
ST returned but no seniority until 2013? Sign away your right to strike? BA 'intending' to move a fair share of routes to Mixed Fleet?
No deal for me. See you at Bedfont!
ST returned but no seniority until 2013? Sign away your right to strike? BA 'intending' to move a fair share of routes to Mixed Fleet?
No deal for me. See you at Bedfont!
That you've been offered staff travel back at all is tantamount to a kick in the face to many who chose to back the company during the strikes. Be happy with it.
British Airways wants to move LHR onto a very similar renumeration package to that enjoyed by those at Gatwick. Since my last posting on Pprune I have, of course, taken a voluntary transfer to Gatwick.
Having looked at my projected allowances for my first month here, I have to say that i am no worse off at Gatwick than I was at Heathrow. I am going to be earning much the same (admittedly only because my crew card spend will be much lower here) but I have built an extremely comfortable life for myself at home based on Heathrow earnings and I don't feel it's in jeopardy now I'm on Gatwick earnings.
