BA CC industrial relations (current airline staff only)
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I guess we all have opinions about other groups don't we? That's what makes life such a rich tapestry.
Embrace each others beliefs and respect those whose views are not the same as yours - after all that is what living in a wonderful democracy is all about isn't it?
Embrace each others beliefs and respect those whose views are not the same as yours - after all that is what living in a wonderful democracy is all about isn't it?
I apologise for dragging up your previous post but you've amended your original statement and still got it wrong.
Regardless of whether a collective bargaining agreement is in place or not, being a member of a union does bring benefits - legal advice and representation in employment matters for example.
Moving on to your second point, the number of crew employed on MF contracts compared to existing crew is irrelevant - MF and existing crew would be separate bargaining units and independent of each other. What this means in practice is that if a number of MF crew belong to a union they can ask that union to approach BA and ask to represent the MF crew as a whole. BA can choose to do so voluntarily, there is no reason to doubt that they would given that they have already expressed a preference for UNITE to represent MF crew, or through statutory means. Either way it would not affect the existing recognition agreements with UNITE branches or their collective agreements.
effectively making it not worth the union subs as you are not going to get any benefit from joining.
Additionally as BA have promised that it will take years and years for MF to grow to any substantial size, you are never going to get any collective negotiating agreements as you will only be a small part of the workforce
Additionally as BA have promised that it will take years and years for MF to grow to any substantial size, you are never going to get any collective negotiating agreements as you will only be a small part of the workforce
Moving on to your second point, the number of crew employed on MF contracts compared to existing crew is irrelevant - MF and existing crew would be separate bargaining units and independent of each other. What this means in practice is that if a number of MF crew belong to a union they can ask that union to approach BA and ask to represent the MF crew as a whole. BA can choose to do so voluntarily, there is no reason to doubt that they would given that they have already expressed a preference for UNITE to represent MF crew, or through statutory means. Either way it would not affect the existing recognition agreements with UNITE branches or their collective agreements.
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This just in from BASSA...
"As reported late yesterday evening all your elected reps, met at Unites’ main office in central London. This was their first opportunity to hear full details of the latest offer and for them to seek clarification on your behalf.
BASSA learnt from the events in 2007, when the dispute was called off without consulting with either the reps or you the membership.We committed that this would never happen again and it will not.
After further, and difficult discussions, a new offer document has been drawn up between Unite and British Airways.
Very shortly, later this afternoon, we will publish all details of the offer for you to consider.
Is it perfect? No. Far from it. Does it address the issues of staff travel and disciplinaries? Yes it does. Is it to a level that is satisfactory? That will be your decision.
Let us also not forget that staff travel and discipline cases are a result of the industrial dispute, not the reason for it. The original issues that were of concern to us still exist and still need to be resolved for your own future’s sake.
The new offer is based on the old offer that you declined during the summer, however it does now have some improvements and safeguards as well as including a phased return of staff travel and some additional intervention by ACAS for the people who have faced disciplinary action.
Contained in the offer from Mr. Walsh, you will notice his insistence that your union recommends the offer or it will not be made available for you to vote on, denying you your democratic vote. For this reason alone, your union will fulfill that request, because to do otherwise would be to deny you an opportunity to vote.
We are all the union, every single one of us, therefore we are not in the business of denying you that opportunity. So please be assured you will get your chance to vote to accept or reject it.
This has been a very bitter and damaging dispute for all sides and the airline as a whole. From that the resolution will never be perfect. This is a resolution. Does it go far enough? That’s for you to decide.
Your ballot, when it arrives will also contain a detailed analysis of the document, to help you to make up your mind.
If you wish to accept it the dispute will end on that basis, if you reject it, the union will issue an immediate ballot for strike action."
"As reported late yesterday evening all your elected reps, met at Unites’ main office in central London. This was their first opportunity to hear full details of the latest offer and for them to seek clarification on your behalf.
BASSA learnt from the events in 2007, when the dispute was called off without consulting with either the reps or you the membership.We committed that this would never happen again and it will not.
After further, and difficult discussions, a new offer document has been drawn up between Unite and British Airways.
Very shortly, later this afternoon, we will publish all details of the offer for you to consider.
Is it perfect? No. Far from it. Does it address the issues of staff travel and disciplinaries? Yes it does. Is it to a level that is satisfactory? That will be your decision.
Let us also not forget that staff travel and discipline cases are a result of the industrial dispute, not the reason for it. The original issues that were of concern to us still exist and still need to be resolved for your own future’s sake.
The new offer is based on the old offer that you declined during the summer, however it does now have some improvements and safeguards as well as including a phased return of staff travel and some additional intervention by ACAS for the people who have faced disciplinary action.
Contained in the offer from Mr. Walsh, you will notice his insistence that your union recommends the offer or it will not be made available for you to vote on, denying you your democratic vote. For this reason alone, your union will fulfill that request, because to do otherwise would be to deny you an opportunity to vote.
We are all the union, every single one of us, therefore we are not in the business of denying you that opportunity. So please be assured you will get your chance to vote to accept or reject it.
This has been a very bitter and damaging dispute for all sides and the airline as a whole. From that the resolution will never be perfect. This is a resolution. Does it go far enough? That’s for you to decide.
Your ballot, when it arrives will also contain a detailed analysis of the document, to help you to make up your mind.
If you wish to accept it the dispute will end on that basis, if you reject it, the union will issue an immediate ballot for strike action."
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One good thing from reading between the lines......
It is obviously an olive branch from the employer and, having just seen the government spending cuts on the telly, too good an offer to miss.
I am sure the resolution is not a perfect one, however, the Bassa Leadership Team are powerless to put their own spin on this one this time and spend a dozen pages rubbishing the document.
The brainwashed few will actually have a decision of their own to make. ST is reinstated so they may choose to vote in their own interests and not act on behalf of the morally outraged miltant section of the branch.
The Bassa chiefs have no input here and are superfluous to requirements so I hope they do the honourable thing and resign their positions and make the long-awaited apologies to the crew community immediately.
It is obviously an olive branch from the employer and, having just seen the government spending cuts on the telly, too good an offer to miss.
I am sure the resolution is not a perfect one, however, the Bassa Leadership Team are powerless to put their own spin on this one this time and spend a dozen pages rubbishing the document.
The brainwashed few will actually have a decision of their own to make. ST is reinstated so they may choose to vote in their own interests and not act on behalf of the morally outraged miltant section of the branch.
The Bassa chiefs have no input here and are superfluous to requirements so I hope they do the honourable thing and resign their positions and make the long-awaited apologies to the crew community immediately.
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After a long silence on the matter, I see that brother Len has spoken:
Unite statement on British Airways offer
20 October 2010
Unite British Airways cabin crew representatives met Unite joint general secretary Tony Woodley and assistant general secretary Len McCluskey yesterday (Tuesday) to consider a fresh offer made by the company to end the lengthy dispute.
The offer is the product of prolonged negotiations between the union and British Airways, assisted by the mediation service Acas and TUC general secretary Brendan Barber.
The representatives agreed to put the offer to a ballot of cabin crew members as soon as possible. No details of the offer will be released until they have been supplied to the membership.
Tony Woodley said today: “Our members, who have shown exemplary solidarity and discipline throughout this long and bitter dispute, will now decide whether this offer meets their requirements. Representatives agreed that it is the best that can be achieved through negotiation in the current climate.”
Len McCluskey added: “Unite has been determined to secure justice for its members throughout these long and complex negotiations. I am proud to have stood alongside these decent, loyal and professional men and women, who will now democratically determine if the agreement on offer provides the basis for the new relationship with BA which we all want to see.”
ENDS
Unite statement on British Airways offer
I can only assume that Tony and Len have never watched youtube.
Unite statement on British Airways offer
20 October 2010
Unite British Airways cabin crew representatives met Unite joint general secretary Tony Woodley and assistant general secretary Len McCluskey yesterday (Tuesday) to consider a fresh offer made by the company to end the lengthy dispute.
The offer is the product of prolonged negotiations between the union and British Airways, assisted by the mediation service Acas and TUC general secretary Brendan Barber.
The representatives agreed to put the offer to a ballot of cabin crew members as soon as possible. No details of the offer will be released until they have been supplied to the membership.
Tony Woodley said today: “Our members, who have shown exemplary solidarity and discipline throughout this long and bitter dispute, will now decide whether this offer meets their requirements. Representatives agreed that it is the best that can be achieved through negotiation in the current climate.”
Len McCluskey added: “Unite has been determined to secure justice for its members throughout these long and complex negotiations. I am proud to have stood alongside these decent, loyal and professional men and women, who will now democratically determine if the agreement on offer provides the basis for the new relationship with BA which we all want to see.”
ENDS
Unite statement on British Airways offer
I can only assume that Tony and Len have never watched youtube.
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seems staff travel without seniority being returned today as a gesture of goodwill! With full reinstatement in 2013.
Guaranteed pay rises in the next 2 years, very nice.
Top up pay for variable allowances.
ACAS to review disciplinaries, but their recommendations won't be binding, ie doubt the BASSA chair will be getting his job back any time soon.
Guaranteed pay rises in the next 2 years, very nice.
Top up pay for variable allowances.
ACAS to review disciplinaries, but their recommendations won't be binding, ie doubt the BASSA chair will be getting his job back any time soon.
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Lots more to it than the above, but in cash terms thats it. I'm on skype now chatting to friend who has just been sent the documents, a top tip for BASSA is not to host their documents on a server where anyone, given the link can access and download them
Lots more to it than the above, but in cash terms thats it. I'm on skype now chatting to friend who has just been sent the documents, a top tip for BASSA is not to host their documents on a server where anyone, given the link can access and download them
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In reply to what are the benefits for MF crew
Before I list some of them, do understand that some of us have temped on and off for BA (paying in to BASSA) for over the last five years or so and whilst we would love to be on the old t&c's it's just not going to happen. Costly because BA can't afford it and secondly because despite taking our money BASSA have failed to represent (for numerous reasons)
So here are some of the benefits:
1. A job. Not many about these days
2. A chance to influence and choose roster build
3. Promotion based on ability
4. Closer management and apprasil
5. Bonus (prp)
6. Share options
7. New aircraft
8. Fresh team with a can do attitude
9. Chance to have a union that has a representation that mirrors it's subscribers
10. Chance for q fresh start with a company that has survived the rescission and with a CEO who will make the tough choices needed
Again I respect your decisions to protect t&c's and would ask the same in return.
This war between us all needs to stop, and leave the past where it should be.
All my opinion and not that of my employer
So here are some of the benefits:
1. A job. Not many about these days
2. A chance to influence and choose roster build
3. Promotion based on ability
4. Closer management and apprasil
5. Bonus (prp)
6. Share options
7. New aircraft
8. Fresh team with a can do attitude
9. Chance to have a union that has a representation that mirrors it's subscribers
10. Chance for q fresh start with a company that has survived the rescission and with a CEO who will make the tough choices needed
Again I respect your decisions to protect t&c's and would ask the same in return.
This war between us all needs to stop, and leave the past where it should be.
All my opinion and not that of my employer
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Well ST springs to mind now doesnt it. Those that didnt go on strike and were not in Bassa still have that dont they, plus the top up, plus the increases.
Naturally we will have to see the full text, but as I said, on the headline points that were posted above nothing has been gained from the strike so far as I can tell.
Naturally we will have to see the full text, but as I said, on the headline points that were posted above nothing has been gained from the strike so far as I can tell.
