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Upperdeckpsr,
A casual glance at your posting is enough to realise that what BA are referring to is EXISTING collective agreements. MF would be a pointless exercise if all those on new contracts were then able to claim all the existing agreements currently enjoyed by cabin crew.
The reference to collective agreements which may be notified in future in fact allows the possibility that having agreed union representation these may well be applied. Obviously until sufficient numbers of the new crew decide who they want to represent them, this isn't going to be possible.
As has already been mentioned, all UK employees have the right to join a union and if enough join, collective bargaining becomes not a 'gift' of the employer but a statutory right. That union could be Unite, equally if the PCCC gain enough membership of MF they could form a union and gain collective bargaining rights for MF. As has been mentioned already, they are not currently a union but are following the procedures required should they choose to become one.
A casual glance at your posting is enough to realise that what BA are referring to is EXISTING collective agreements. MF would be a pointless exercise if all those on new contracts were then able to claim all the existing agreements currently enjoyed by cabin crew.
The reference to collective agreements which may be notified in future in fact allows the possibility that having agreed union representation these may well be applied. Obviously until sufficient numbers of the new crew decide who they want to represent them, this isn't going to be possible.
As has already been mentioned, all UK employees have the right to join a union and if enough join, collective bargaining becomes not a 'gift' of the employer but a statutory right. That union could be Unite, equally if the PCCC gain enough membership of MF they could form a union and gain collective bargaining rights for MF. As has been mentioned already, they are not currently a union but are following the procedures required should they choose to become one.
I suggest you read the above post especially the answer from BA which states:
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There are no collective agreements that will apply to you under the terms of your contract of employment unless you are, at some future date, told that there is a collective agreement that expressly applies to you.
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There are no collective agreements that will apply to you under the terms of your contract of employment unless you are, at some future date, told that there is a collective agreement that expressly applies to you.
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...so in plain english;
1) You are on a new & different contract to existing crew.
2) If your T&C's change we will let you know.
Where does it say one is banned from joining a union?
1) You are on a new & different contract to existing crew.
2) If your T&C's change we will let you know.
Where does it say one is banned from joining a union?
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Where does it say one is banned from joining a union?
Another BA tactic to try and diminish the trades union strength
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regrettably your responses on this subject are a classic example of BASSA centric group think....... read one thing interpret another, say it enough times and it must be true.
remember UDP you said
regrettably your responses on this subject are a classic example of BASSA centric group think....... read one thing interpret another, say it enough times and it must be true.remember UDP you said
new Mixed Fleet Crew have no entitlement to union membership
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In other words, you can join whatever Union you want - but as we do not recognise any collective agreement, then we are not going to even recognise your membership - in effect making it worthless for any MF to join a trades union be it Unite or Amicus.
Pornpants1 - they can join a Union but in effect there is no point - I meant to have said they have no entitlement to the bargaining rights associated with any trades union as there is no collective arrangement - effectively making it pointless to be in ANY trades union
Pornpants1 - they can join a Union but in effect there is no point - I meant to have said they have no entitlement to the bargaining rights associated with any trades union as there is no collective arrangement - effectively making it pointless to be in ANY trades union
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I wasn't employed by BA in 1989 but I am guessing that CC89 started up in a similar fashion to the PCCC? Please correct me if I am wrong. And also feel free to put me straight that up until this dispute BASSA have thought of CC89 as the anti Christ?
I'm guessing the that they don't want the competition which in essence will errode their subs intake every week and also their overall power.
Power, now there is a keyword.
Ps. Just a thought. On the very first day, that the very first BA Cabin crew member did their very first flight, how many collective agreements did he or she have?
I'm guessing the that they don't want the competition which in essence will errode their subs intake every week and also their overall power.
Power, now there is a keyword.
Ps. Just a thought. On the very first day, that the very first BA Cabin crew member did their very first flight, how many collective agreements did he or she have?
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I wasn't employed by BA in 1989 but I am guessing that CC89 started up in a similar fashion to the PCCC? Please correct me if I am wrong.
And also feel free to put me straight that up until this dispute BASSA have thought of CC89 as the anti Christ?
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Upperdeckpsr
Well done for apologising that you were factually incorrect, I applaud your stoicism.
Yes MF can join any union they want and I don't suppose they would want to join your little party, and more most likely, if they did, they wouldn't be invited.
Yes MF can join any union they want and I don't suppose they would want to join your little party, and more most likely, if they did, they wouldn't be invited.
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Upperdeck..
That's the point of a new fleet surely! And forming a new consultation group as the fleet grows will be better served outside the current nsp/collective agreements.
The terms of my contract are much better than many others available out there at the moment and considerably better than JSA!
Now had BASSA spent the contributions of temps wisely, we may have been on similar conditions and helped maintain the numbers. But alas we are now ostracised by BASSA and will start a new future of negotiation with our employer BA.
As for clause 13, this is standard in most contracts where work volumes are sensitive world wide influences, and is far better than seasonal or temp contracts.
You forget to mention the many benefits of joining MF
That's the point of a new fleet surely! And forming a new consultation group as the fleet grows will be better served outside the current nsp/collective agreements.
The terms of my contract are much better than many others available out there at the moment and considerably better than JSA!
Now had BASSA spent the contributions of temps wisely, we may have been on similar conditions and helped maintain the numbers. But alas we are now ostracised by BASSA and will start a new future of negotiation with our employer BA.
As for clause 13, this is standard in most contracts where work volumes are sensitive world wide influences, and is far better than seasonal or temp contracts.
You forget to mention the many benefits of joining MF
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but its ok to name call at other people.........
yet another;-
Are you calling us turkeys? I find that disrespectful and demeaning.
yet another;-
classic example of BASSA centric group think
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So indeed CC89 grew over time by a group of individuals who had different views.
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- Indifference to pleasure or pain; impassiveness.
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