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Unite are quite deliberately sidelining BASSA. Even BASSA confess to not know what is happening. How then are your views being represented? (or are you "taking part in the race" as you put it.)
BASSA are now in possession of the proposal, my views shall be represented when my elected representatives put forward the proposal or deem it not worthy to be put forward.
You see HiFlyer14, we live in a democracy, people have an opportunity to decide with a vote how to change or accept things - no self elected committee's here - by the way when are the PCCC holding votes? Oh I forgot you arent are you?
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(apart from bouncy castles, and soggy samosas?)
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Woodley is trying to avert another ballot, should we not applaud that?
Something he seems increasingly minded to do.
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upperdeckpurser,
You asked for examples of intimidation, will these suffice?
Threatening one CSD for talking to another CSD because "she is a F******g S**b and don't you know, you're not supposed to talk to F*****g S***s like her!"
Making rude gestures behind a CSDs back on a crew bus witnessed by Flight Crew.
Making a pistol by way of a hand gesture and pointing it to the head and saying Bang! This is what you do to a Scab!
Shouting SCAB to a CSD while they were retrieving their briefing!
Feel free to take screenshots of the above and send them to BA by the way.
PS: Ottergirl, staring doesn't intimidate me, it's just uncomfortable which is what I said in my post.
You asked for examples of intimidation, will these suffice?
Threatening one CSD for talking to another CSD because "she is a F******g S**b and don't you know, you're not supposed to talk to F*****g S***s like her!"
Making rude gestures behind a CSDs back on a crew bus witnessed by Flight Crew.
Making a pistol by way of a hand gesture and pointing it to the head and saying Bang! This is what you do to a Scab!
Shouting SCAB to a CSD while they were retrieving their briefing!
Feel free to take screenshots of the above and send them to BA by the way.
PS: Ottergirl, staring doesn't intimidate me, it's just uncomfortable which is what I said in my post.
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.... my views shall be represented when my elected representatives put forward the proposal or deem it not worthy to be put forward.
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No, they didn't actually, but as like most points of view on this thread. Why let the facts get in the way of a good BASSA bashing rumour... 
Elections were held in November 2009. Fact.
When can we expect the pccc to hold elections, and how will it be possible to vote on anonymous individuals. Interesting form of democracy, no? Oh that's right, they're all frightened of being bullied.
Thankfully, I prefer my elected representation to have a bit more back bone about them. And my elected representatives certainly have that.
Elections were held in November 2009. Fact.
When can we expect the pccc to hold elections, and how will it be possible to vote on anonymous individuals. Interesting form of democracy, no? Oh that's right, they're all frightened of being bullied.
Thankfully, I prefer my elected representation to have a bit more back bone about them. And my elected representatives certainly have that.
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HAHAHAHAHAH said
When can we expect the pccc to hold elections, and how will it be possible to vote on anonymous individuals. Interesting form of democracy, no? Oh that's right, they're all frightened of being bullied.
Thankfully, I prefer my elected representation to have a bit more back bone about them. And my elected representatives certainly have that
When can we expect the pccc to hold elections, and how will it be possible to vote on anonymous individuals. Interesting form of democracy, no? Oh that's right, they're all frightened of being bullied.
Thankfully, I prefer my elected representation to have a bit more back bone about them. And my elected representatives certainly have that
It appears, the new motto for BASSA is, 'If At First You Don't Agree, Then Intimdate'
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Upperdeckpurser & HAHAHAHA
The PCCC are well aware that BASSA are trying to exploit the fact that we have not had elections - thankyou for repeating their rhetoric here. It is however, simply garbage, along with the other falseties they would have you believe. You do yourselves no credit repeating their lies.
Unfortunately, it simply proves that BASSA themselves are unaware of the trade union laws that they are supposed to abide by. So, to put you, and all other BASSA followers out of your misery:
In accordance with Trade Union & Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 CH.IV Elections for certain positions Item 57. Exemptions of newly-formed trade unions, the Professional Cabin Crew Council is not required to hold elections for 12 months.
Now that you know that the PCCC is carefully and accurately following the letter of the law, isn't it about time that you checked that BASSA are too?
The PCCC are not against you, or any other members of BASSA. Infact, we are actively trying to prevent BASSA doing more damage to our community. We are against the institution, BASSA, that is taking ENORMOUS sums of money off our community and wasting it. They have not represented the cabin crew community in any shape or form for the past 2 years. They have unashamedly given away a pay rise, bonuses, share options and an extra free ticket without asking the members.
We are not your enemy. The sooner you realise that, the better off you will be.
The PCCC are well aware that BASSA are trying to exploit the fact that we have not had elections - thankyou for repeating their rhetoric here. It is however, simply garbage, along with the other falseties they would have you believe. You do yourselves no credit repeating their lies.
Unfortunately, it simply proves that BASSA themselves are unaware of the trade union laws that they are supposed to abide by. So, to put you, and all other BASSA followers out of your misery:
In accordance with Trade Union & Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 CH.IV Elections for certain positions Item 57. Exemptions of newly-formed trade unions, the Professional Cabin Crew Council is not required to hold elections for 12 months.
Now that you know that the PCCC is carefully and accurately following the letter of the law, isn't it about time that you checked that BASSA are too?
The PCCC are not against you, or any other members of BASSA. Infact, we are actively trying to prevent BASSA doing more damage to our community. We are against the institution, BASSA, that is taking ENORMOUS sums of money off our community and wasting it. They have not represented the cabin crew community in any shape or form for the past 2 years. They have unashamedly given away a pay rise, bonuses, share options and an extra free ticket without asking the members.
We are not your enemy. The sooner you realise that, the better off you will be.
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I'd rather a vcc over a xxxx
from HAHAHAHAHA
Do you know how much dinero they get from your union fees?
Why are they so secretive about how much they earn for your strike commitment?
An earlier post stated BASSA have recieved 1.9 million this year. Thats alot of doe for pens and keyrings!
Thankfully, I prefer my elected representation to have a bit more back bone about them. And my elected representatives certainly have that.
Why are they so secretive about how much they earn for your strike commitment?
An earlier post stated BASSA have recieved 1.9 million this year. Thats alot of doe for pens and keyrings!
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HiFlyer
Have you been able to comply with any of the following yet?
A trade union which is on the list of trade unions may apply for a certificate of independence. Independence is defined as meaning independence from an employer or group of employers.
The statutory provisions
Section 5 of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 (“the 1992 Act”) defines an independent trade union as:
“... a trade union which –
(a) is not under the domination or control of an employer or group of employers or of one or more employers' associations; and
(b) is not liable to interference by an employer or any such group or association (arising out of the provision of financial or material support or by any other means whatsoever) tending towards such control”.
A trade union which is on the list of trade unions may apply for a certificate of independence. Independence is defined as meaning independence from an employer or group of employers.
The statutory provisions
Section 5 of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 (“the 1992 Act”) defines an independent trade union as:
“... a trade union which –
(a) is not under the domination or control of an employer or group of employers or of one or more employers' associations; and
(b) is not liable to interference by an employer or any such group or association (arising out of the provision of financial or material support or by any other means whatsoever) tending towards such control”.
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Worth every penny in my view... What price can you put on dedication, morals, principles and unquestionable belief in the professionalism of BA cabin crew. Like I said, worth every last penny.
HF14, I don't recall BASSA sending out any comms questioning your democracy. Please could you provide a copy of the comms that you claim BASSA questions your statement. Again, just because you decide to throw mud in their direction, why let the facts get in the way of your personal ambition to de-unionise the workforce.
With regards to your statement...
"BASSA, that is taking ENORMOUS sums of money off our community and wasting it. They have not represented the cabin crew community in any shape or form for the past 2 years."
What a complete and utter load of nonsense. I clearly remember BASSA fighting for collective agreements at the high court, and oh yes, it was last week which they continued their fight at the court of appeal. Now let me see. Collective Agreements, surely it can't be that important that they are legally enforceable?!?!!??
Ahhh, but then again. Collective Agreements apply to all departments and indeed all workforces throughout the UK.
So, I say this. I think they are doing an incredible job in fighting for ALL workers across the country.
I wonder if the flight crew community care if they're collective agreements are legally enforceable as well?
HF14, I don't recall BASSA sending out any comms questioning your democracy. Please could you provide a copy of the comms that you claim BASSA questions your statement. Again, just because you decide to throw mud in their direction, why let the facts get in the way of your personal ambition to de-unionise the workforce.
With regards to your statement...
"BASSA, that is taking ENORMOUS sums of money off our community and wasting it. They have not represented the cabin crew community in any shape or form for the past 2 years."
What a complete and utter load of nonsense. I clearly remember BASSA fighting for collective agreements at the high court, and oh yes, it was last week which they continued their fight at the court of appeal. Now let me see. Collective Agreements, surely it can't be that important that they are legally enforceable?!?!!??
Ahhh, but then again. Collective Agreements apply to all departments and indeed all workforces throughout the UK.
So, I say this. I think they are doing an incredible job in fighting for ALL workers across the country.
I wonder if the flight crew community care if they're collective agreements are legally enforceable as well?
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HAHA (hope you don't mind the nickname)
You have so got us wrong. We don't want to "de-unionise the workforce". Why would we, when we are the workforce? We are trying to mobilise the workforce into gaining a better way forward for themselves AND securing all our futures.
And hey. Seems like one of the Unite top-dogs agrees, so maybe we're not so wrong after all?
BA and Unite dispute is stuck in 70s like Life on Mars, says union leadership candidate | Politics | The Guardian
)You have so got us wrong. We don't want to "de-unionise the workforce". Why would we, when we are the workforce? We are trying to mobilise the workforce into gaining a better way forward for themselves AND securing all our futures.
And hey. Seems like one of the Unite top-dogs agrees, so maybe we're not so wrong after all?
BA and Unite dispute is stuck in 70s like Life on Mars, says union leadership candidate | Politics | The Guardian
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HF14
Out of interest why are you quoting the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992.
It clearly states on your website that you're not a trade union and have no aspiration to become one.
So why the reliance on legislation which clearly doesn’t apply to 'Councils' or 'Company Compliant Associations"?
Out of interest why are you quoting the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992.
It clearly states on your website that you're not a trade union and have no aspiration to become one.
So why the reliance on legislation which clearly doesn’t apply to 'Councils' or 'Company Compliant Associations"?
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HAHA
Our website clearly states that we are not a union because, as yet, we are not. However, should we wish to become one in the future TULRCA is what we need to comply with, so we are.
We do exactly as we state on the tin.
Our website clearly states that we are not a union because, as yet, we are not. However, should we wish to become one in the future TULRCA is what we need to comply with, so we are.
We do exactly as we state on the tin.
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HF14,
Oh I see. Okay. Nothing like a bit of misrepresentation and spin to pull the members in..lol. Clever thinking.
Hopefully the legislation will be the same in 15 years time then when you'll have recruited enough members to make an approach for official recognition.
Best of luck.
Oh I see. Okay. Nothing like a bit of misrepresentation and spin to pull the members in..lol. Clever thinking.
Hopefully the legislation will be the same in 15 years time then when you'll have recruited enough members to make an approach for official recognition. Best of luck.
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I'd imagine they'll have more members soon. Once BASSA present the latest offer to the militants and upset their plans for a Christmas strike I suspectthe more moderate members will jump ship rather than been drawn into a futile strike over staff travel and sacked reps.
PS Upperdeckpsr - I too saw Claypole and 52048ers posts about strikers bags. They reported they'd heard of examples (as indeed have I), they didn't encourage anyone to damage bags. A lack of critical analysis on your part does not constitute bullying on their part. I once heard that Pol Pot shot people wearing glasses, but that doesn't mean I'm encouraging genocide. You should try a little harder to find your examples of strikers being bullied, because everytime I've heard them complain of B&H it's been their response to a firm application of BAs rules which has stopped them playing their silly workplace games.
PS Upperdeckpsr - I too saw Claypole and 52048ers posts about strikers bags. They reported they'd heard of examples (as indeed have I), they didn't encourage anyone to damage bags. A lack of critical analysis on your part does not constitute bullying on their part. I once heard that Pol Pot shot people wearing glasses, but that doesn't mean I'm encouraging genocide. You should try a little harder to find your examples of strikers being bullied, because everytime I've heard them complain of B&H it's been their response to a firm application of BAs rules which has stopped them playing their silly workplace games.
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What price can you put on dedication, morals, principles
I clearly remember BASSA fighting for collective agreements at the high court, and oh yes, it was last week which they continued their fight at the court of appeal.
UDP thanks for your examples, I notice you haven't been able to provide any examples of how you personally treat non strikers in the same manner as you treat strikers. Could it be that you do treat them differently?
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Why would a pilot be receiving a BASSA email?
Bassa don't seem overly bothered about who they send their emails to, so it always surprises me at the outcry on the Bassa forum about emails being made public.
Personally I think a better question would be why haven't Bassa got their membership lists in order, I resigned over a year ago and still receive emails, texts messages and still have access to the Bassa forum.
I thought the Branch secretary would now have plenty of time on his hands to earn all that money it is rumoured he receives from Bassa and sort out those membership lists - I can only guess that his tomatoes are more important!
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HAHA
I seem to recall that it was Unite and not BASSA that went to the appeal court last week. Now if you are saying that the two are synonomous, a) that means there is no need for any BASSA reps to be derostered to 'consider' the deal struck by TW with BA and b) that deal should be immediately put to the membership with a recommendation to accept as it has been negotiated by Unite. Don't you agree?
I'm somewhat bemused by the degree of hostility on here from BASSA supporters toward PCCC. I thought that BASSA wanted to be shot of any members who did not walk out. Does it matter that much where these ex-members gravitate to ?Or is the real issue that BASSA now see their membership dwindling and are fearful of losing influence ?
I'm somewhat bemused by the degree of hostility on here from BASSA supporters toward PCCC. I thought that BASSA wanted to be shot of any members who did not walk out. Does it matter that much where these ex-members gravitate to ?Or is the real issue that BASSA now see their membership dwindling and are fearful of losing influence ?