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Easy. If you hate it that much, leave.
Take all sorts I suppose.
Personally I rather hope that Tony Woodley presses BASSA on the reasons for taking whatever olive branch BA hold out or accept that this time the companies patience might well be exhausted and that contract termination might just happen. It would seem that BA have been extremely reticent to use this option but might not be left with any choice.
All of the options seem to be with BA at the moment.
Strikemaster82,
Things are most certainly NOT all rosy on S/H and I certainly believe my cabin crew colleagues when they talk about the strain in L/H.
I find it particularly sad, and rather pathetic as well, that a number of cabin crew have been really miserable and rude to me - people that used to be friendly and pleasant. Too many people are making huge generalisations and pre-judging colleagues based on pure speculation and what uniform they wear and what job they do. This kind of behaviour belongs in a primary school NOT in BA.
The atmosphere is certainly strained and I think that a lot of that is down to the fact that nobody is willing to talk about the situation - even off the aircraft. Some of the complete rubbish that I have heard spouted by militant cabin crew members is sssssoooooooooo completely nonsense, but when you have someone as completely deranged as DH 'feeding' information.......
the bassa 'leadership' have a lot to answer for regarding the lies and damned lies that they have spouted throughout this sorry saga. Their SOLE remit was to represent their cabin crew colleagues. The fact that all they were interested in was in preserving their own personal power is an appalling mis-use of their position.
I feel so incredibily sad and disappointed for the majority of decent cabin crew members who have been so dreadfully let down by such a distasteful bunch of complete self-serving muppets.
Things are most certainly NOT all rosy on S/H and I certainly believe my cabin crew colleagues when they talk about the strain in L/H.
I find it particularly sad, and rather pathetic as well, that a number of cabin crew have been really miserable and rude to me - people that used to be friendly and pleasant. Too many people are making huge generalisations and pre-judging colleagues based on pure speculation and what uniform they wear and what job they do. This kind of behaviour belongs in a primary school NOT in BA.
The atmosphere is certainly strained and I think that a lot of that is down to the fact that nobody is willing to talk about the situation - even off the aircraft. Some of the complete rubbish that I have heard spouted by militant cabin crew members is sssssoooooooooo completely nonsense, but when you have someone as completely deranged as DH 'feeding' information.......
the bassa 'leadership' have a lot to answer for regarding the lies and damned lies that they have spouted throughout this sorry saga. Their SOLE remit was to represent their cabin crew colleagues. The fact that all they were interested in was in preserving their own personal power is an appalling mis-use of their position.
I feel so incredibily sad and disappointed for the majority of decent cabin crew members who have been so dreadfully let down by such a distasteful bunch of complete self-serving muppets.
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Coming from someone who, as a majority of a minority, advocated ill thought out strike action, based on a surmise of illegal imposition which was subsequently legally proven, even at appeal, whilst advocating the demise of the company rather than accept change and all along waiting for 'acceptable' VR conditions, I find your comment somewhat rich.
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Miis M we have all read several of your comments about wanting BA to give you a pot of money to go so yes it is easy to have formed an impression that you are waiting for VR. We have also read your comments that you will strike for "as long as it takes" ( what for exactly I'm not even sure you know) and some of us even read your comment that you would like to see BA go under.... before you deleted it.
All of that aside Miss M, what would it take for you to be happy to come to work and to join us in pushing BA back to the top?
All of that aside Miss M, what would it take for you to be happy to come to work and to join us in pushing BA back to the top?
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Sporran,
As a CSD on Eurofleet, I completely agree with you regarding the atmosphere on shorthaul.
The 'gang' culture as described by Ottergirl is also spot on. This is typical on on shorthaul particularly where you see crew on standby who sit in groups at the Baggage Drop entrance in CRC.
The 'gangs' sit there flicking their Yellow Pens to make a statement as to which side of the fence they are, and as a non striker enters CRC, the intimidation starts. It's a Chinese whispers effect with the staring and dirty looks which is very uncomfortable if you are starting a trip.
You could ignore it, but it's intimidating however thick skinned one may be, and especially if your fellow crew on the trip are influenced by these sad tactics which affects CRM on the day.
As a CSD on Eurofleet, I completely agree with you regarding the atmosphere on shorthaul.
The 'gang' culture as described by Ottergirl is also spot on. This is typical on on shorthaul particularly where you see crew on standby who sit in groups at the Baggage Drop entrance in CRC.
The 'gangs' sit there flicking their Yellow Pens to make a statement as to which side of the fence they are, and as a non striker enters CRC, the intimidation starts. It's a Chinese whispers effect with the staring and dirty looks which is very uncomfortable if you are starting a trip.
You could ignore it, but it's intimidating however thick skinned one may be, and especially if your fellow crew on the trip are influenced by these sad tactics which affects CRM on the day.
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The 'gangs' sit there flicking their Yellow Pens
If anyone was in any doubt that BASSA is now a personality cult rather than a union I'm told people are saying they won't look at any proposal from BA because they refused to de-roster Malone for a meeting with Tony Woodley. Well that's a sensible approach!
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Interesting interpretation as I have never said that BA should give me any money. I have only said that I will not leave this company voluntarily and should BA offer another round of VR package I would consider it. There's the difference.
I know exactly why I have gone on strike which I have stated numerous times. I don't want BA to go bankrupt. What I meant was that I would be willing to go on strike for as long as it takes even if it meant that BA would go under.
What would it take to make me happy to come to work? What gives you the idea that I hate it? Because I went on strike and despise the behaviour of all the strike-breaking crew and VCCs?
Interesting interpretation as I have never said that BA should give me any money. I have only said that I will not leave this company voluntarily and should BA offer another round of VR package I would consider it. There's the difference.
I know exactly why I have gone on strike which I have stated numerous times. I don't want BA to go bankrupt. What I meant was that I would be willing to go on strike for as long as it takes even if it meant that BA would go under.
What would it take to make me happy to come to work? What gives you the idea that I hate it? Because I went on strike and despise the behaviour of all the strike-breaking crew and VCCs?
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Have I ever said that I'm waiting for acceptable VR conditions?
I have said that should BA offer it in the future I would consider taking it.
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Ummmm? Is that not the same thing? If you would consider taking something at an acceptable point then surely you are waiting for that point, no? Semantics aside are you perhaps actually on the negotiating team of BASSA as the above bizarre example would indicate you are?
Am I on the negotiating team of BASSA? No!
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I agree, however, to go off thread a little, the entire imposition scenario was generated by the company allowing VR for a large proportion of the CC community rather than face the rather more unpleasant CR.
Miss M has stated
Which would seem, effectively, a double negative.
Anyway, to enable future VR there would need to exist a productivity increase which would, if BASSA were still sulking, probably require further imposition. The wheel turns!
Miss M has stated
Have I ever said that I'm waiting for acceptable VR conditions? I have said that should BA offer it in the future I would consider taking it.
Anyway, to enable future VR there would need to exist a productivity increase which would, if BASSA were still sulking, probably require further imposition. The wheel turns!
Litebulbs,
LM is 'part of the problem' regarding this dispute. She, and a lot of her fellow reps made this personal - at the expense of the membership. Having her, and even worse the main muppet DH, at any kind of talks would have rendered any talks totally pointless.
Untie is the negotiating union now, not bassa. bassa have shown themselves to be purely interested in the vested interests of the reps - who we all know to be over 90% CSDs and pursers, and mostly WW. The moment they made it personal WW won! WW has kept the whole process as a business proposition.
There is not a 'snowball in a very hot places chance' that WW and BA would remotely bother having any direct contact with bassa - what would be the point as they are not interested in any outcome that would lose THEM their power. A power that has led to this confrontation!!
TW and most of the senior people at Untie are at least professionals and look at the big picture. They must be sick to the back teeth of the dysfunctional branch called bassa and are trying to ensure that BA cabin crew do not get screwed by the very people that were supposed to look after their interests.
I would not be at all surprised if Untie deal directly with BA in the future and further marginalise the power hungry bassa shower.
BA cabin crew need, and deserve, decent union representation. bassa in it's present dysfunctional and mis-leading state do not appear to be that union!!!!!
LM is 'part of the problem' regarding this dispute. She, and a lot of her fellow reps made this personal - at the expense of the membership. Having her, and even worse the main muppet DH, at any kind of talks would have rendered any talks totally pointless.
Untie is the negotiating union now, not bassa. bassa have shown themselves to be purely interested in the vested interests of the reps - who we all know to be over 90% CSDs and pursers, and mostly WW. The moment they made it personal WW won! WW has kept the whole process as a business proposition.
There is not a 'snowball in a very hot places chance' that WW and BA would remotely bother having any direct contact with bassa - what would be the point as they are not interested in any outcome that would lose THEM their power. A power that has led to this confrontation!!
TW and most of the senior people at Untie are at least professionals and look at the big picture. They must be sick to the back teeth of the dysfunctional branch called bassa and are trying to ensure that BA cabin crew do not get screwed by the very people that were supposed to look after their interests.
I would not be at all surprised if Untie deal directly with BA in the future and further marginalise the power hungry bassa shower.
BA cabin crew need, and deserve, decent union representation. bassa in it's present dysfunctional and mis-leading state do not appear to be that union!!!!!
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Points well made. I do not know the make up of the BASSA top table, but if it is as you say, it would be unusual with respect to any committee that I have seen, either inside or outside of BA.
notlangley provided a link to uniteba for me on the SLF thread. The tone is somewhat different to the BASSA forum, but I might be a tad biased.
notlangley provided a link to uniteba for me on the SLF thread. The tone is somewhat different to the BASSA forum, but I might be a tad biased.
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I do not know the make up of the BASSA top table
Did you vote for any of them?
Blu Riband,
Got to agree - bit harsh, as Litebulbs is not cabin crew.
Litebulbs,
Credit where it is due - to you!!
You used to really naff me off with some of your 'arguments....', but you appear to have matured - like a nice wine!!
Nowadays, I think you come away with a lot of sense!
We must both have mellowed!!!
Got to agree - bit harsh, as Litebulbs is not cabin crew.
Litebulbs,
Credit where it is due - to you!!
You used to really naff me off with some of your 'arguments....', but you appear to have matured - like a nice wine!!
Nowadays, I think you come away with a lot of sense!
We must both have mellowed!!!