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Can't agree with you on your rep's analysis of BA's position. Taking a financial news story from April 2009: "The British carrier's debt rose to 2.4 billion pounds, from 1.3 billion the previous year, while its cash position slid 483 million pounds to just under 1.4 billion pounds".
Now if you didn't attend one of KW's excellent briefings at Waterside, you may not be aware that most of that cash isn't ours. It's monies owed to fuel companies who give us credit. If confidence fell in BA's ability to pay it's fuel bills then they may call in the debt and we would have to pay 'cash' in future. It's that 'calling in' that has caused several airlines to cease trading.
Most staff groups agreed that action needed to be taken to get through the downturn, one didn't, perhaps they didn't realise how bad things were as their rep's declined BA's offer to look at the company accounts?
Can't agree with you on your rep's analysis of BA's position. Taking a financial news story from April 2009: "The British carrier's debt rose to 2.4 billion pounds, from 1.3 billion the previous year, while its cash position slid 483 million pounds to just under 1.4 billion pounds".
Now if you didn't attend one of KW's excellent briefings at Waterside, you may not be aware that most of that cash isn't ours. It's monies owed to fuel companies who give us credit. If confidence fell in BA's ability to pay it's fuel bills then they may call in the debt and we would have to pay 'cash' in future. It's that 'calling in' that has caused several airlines to cease trading.
Most staff groups agreed that action needed to be taken to get through the downturn, one didn't, perhaps they didn't realise how bad things were as their rep's declined BA's offer to look at the company accounts?
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Ex LGW crew, so well-aware of those transfer restrictions. I had misinterpreted your post as referring to transfers to the (then non-existant) MF or between WW & EF. I do regard the LGW transfers (or lack of) as a genuine issue and one that does need addressing. It IS important and unfair that LGW have their careers so restricted. But it is the difference in cost-bases between the fleets that is the very cause of that restriction. If it didn't cost BA a lot more money to let you move to WW or EF, then surely they'd have no issue. As it is, the allowances and agreements are such that a LGW crew member costs much more when they transfer. LGW crew are now moving to MF. I personally know a few. I guess BA allow that because they "cost" BA similar amounts at either base.
BA are bound to have a starting point that differs wildly from what the employees want. It then becomes the role of a professional union to attempt to negotiate a middle ground that satisfies both parties. A good start for the union would be to ask their members what is essential, what is a "nice-to-have" and what is relatively unimportant. The union should then return to BA with their own (wildly optimistic) wishlist. Negotiations then take place.
Imho BA would find it difficult to find a good reason to block transfers if IFCE met it's cost-saving targets. It's small-fry compared with being able to set crewing levels on a less-costly fleet where those all-important targets have been met. BASSA played into BA's hands by not meeting the cost-savings. BA were then always going to have the motivation and justification to play hardball.....and they did.
Yet we never approached a point where BA's moves were limited because:
a) BASSA didn't poll us regarding our wish-list - there was no "look people, we're going to have to give something, so what's important and what's not?"
b) BASSA offered temporary cost-savings that still fell short of our target (PWC is your reference if you can manage to believe their independent assessment)
c) BASSA refused to meaningfully negotiate (see court records)
Hence....BA imposed the new crewing levels and imposed MF. Blame BASSA, not crew like me who ARE informed and made the above points on BASSA Forum over a year ago, only to be threatened with all sorts. We COULD have avoided this if we'd boxed clever. In time, you will see just where DH & LM have led you with their childish approach.
Nutjob - Re transfers for LGW...
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"No rules regarding this were changed in the first proposals.[...] You were NOT striking over this and it's quite worrying (yet common) that you believe you were."
And in a single post, you have exposed the entire pointless nature of this entire thread. However, that's not entirely your fault, it's representative of a group of people not evolved directly and talking about a subject which does not impact upon them directly. Unless that is you are cabin crew at LGW, and in that case I will happily withdrawn my statement.
Fact. There was 8 dispute items in the ballot which directly concerned LGW. Including transfer rights. Right from the first ballot. If you’re unaware of them, you either didn’t read the enclosed letter of dispute or didn’t receive it as you were not qualified to receive it in the first place.
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"No rules regarding this were changed in the first proposals.[...] You were NOT striking over this and it's quite worrying (yet common) that you believe you were."
And in a single post, you have exposed the entire pointless nature of this entire thread. However, that's not entirely your fault, it's representative of a group of people not evolved directly and talking about a subject which does not impact upon them directly. Unless that is you are cabin crew at LGW, and in that case I will happily withdrawn my statement.
Fact. There was 8 dispute items in the ballot which directly concerned LGW. Including transfer rights. Right from the first ballot. If you’re unaware of them, you either didn’t read the enclosed letter of dispute or didn’t receive it as you were not qualified to receive it in the first place.
BA are bound to have a starting point that differs wildly from what the employees want. It then becomes the role of a professional union to attempt to negotiate a middle ground that satisfies both parties. A good start for the union would be to ask their members what is essential, what is a "nice-to-have" and what is relatively unimportant. The union should then return to BA with their own (wildly optimistic) wishlist. Negotiations then take place.
Imho BA would find it difficult to find a good reason to block transfers if IFCE met it's cost-saving targets. It's small-fry compared with being able to set crewing levels on a less-costly fleet where those all-important targets have been met. BASSA played into BA's hands by not meeting the cost-savings. BA were then always going to have the motivation and justification to play hardball.....and they did.
Yet we never approached a point where BA's moves were limited because:
a) BASSA didn't poll us regarding our wish-list - there was no "look people, we're going to have to give something, so what's important and what's not?"
b) BASSA offered temporary cost-savings that still fell short of our target (PWC is your reference if you can manage to believe their independent assessment)
c) BASSA refused to meaningfully negotiate (see court records)
Hence....BA imposed the new crewing levels and imposed MF. Blame BASSA, not crew like me who ARE informed and made the above points on BASSA Forum over a year ago, only to be threatened with all sorts. We COULD have avoided this if we'd boxed clever. In time, you will see just where DH & LM have led you with their childish approach.
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Let us not forget the ‘fight for survival’ proved to be out and out nonsense as we've all ultimately witnessed that 21 days of industrial action and 9 days of ash closure hasn't seen the airline disappear off the face of the earth. (and yes, your pensions are still safe). Indeed, the opposite is now apparent and we're actively seeking to swallow up other airlines with our extensive cash reserves. As accurately described by my representatives. Not a fight for survival but more resembling a greedy squabble at the trough.
So we are buying Iberia with all our cash then? No, well we must be buying American then? Hmm it could be that we are merging to reduce costs and recover some of the money we hemorrhaged a year ago.
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Firstly I totally concur with the others here that B/H is taking place on a daily basis. The problem is perhaps UDP, is as you are on the 'other'side of this you dont see or feel it. For the SCCM's like myself, I find its not too much of a problem as any situations are quickly dealt with. For the poor main crew its very differant. I could bore us all with umteen stories, but a good friend of mine has just returned from an 8 sector 3 day trip where they had 3 crew most sectors. The Psr and other main crew did NOT speak to him at all apart from doors to manual/automatic crossed checked. That was it for 3 days.Total disgrace. What I will say however is I have flown with a few crew with bag tags and lanyards who are lovely people. Unfortunetely the mob are doing themselves no favours.
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Only last week a WW csd was sacked for serious bullying and harrassment of a crew member on board. When I heard his name, it was no surprise. I know the details and it was genuine enough many times over to sack this guy.
As for giving you details UDP. Well I've been physically threatened myself. No sorry no details as I wish to keep my council on this but its true and I know it. Thats good enough for me.
This problem stems from one individual in particular who has made this an art form for years. He has allowed his reps to say/do whatever they want and this has cascaded down to crew who in some cases have mimicked his behaviour. Sorry guys no prizes for guessing I'm talking about DH.
Finally Colonal White, your interpretation of B/H was spot on. Well said, and well said the others for their interpretation as well
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On the other hand I do know of many many people suspended and sacked due to this dispute, yet not one person has yet come forward with a genuine case of bullying by strikers on non-strikers - can anyone prove me wrong and give a true validated example?
As for giving you details UDP. Well I've been physically threatened myself. No sorry no details as I wish to keep my council on this but its true and I know it. Thats good enough for me.
This problem stems from one individual in particular who has made this an art form for years. He has allowed his reps to say/do whatever they want and this has cascaded down to crew who in some cases have mimicked his behaviour. Sorry guys no prizes for guessing I'm talking about DH.
Finally Colonal White, your interpretation of B/H was spot on. Well said, and well said the others for their interpretation as well
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UDP and HAHa
might like to familiarise themselves with the definition of bullying and harrassment, it might keep you in a job.
from the ACAS website
Acas - Advice leaflet - Bullying and harassment at work: Guidance for employees
What are bullying and harassment?
The key is that the actions or comments are viewed as demeaning and unacceptable to the recipient.
Bullying may be characterised as offensive, intimidating, malicious or insulting behaviour, an abuse or misuse of power through means intended to undermine, humiliate, denigrate or injure the recipient. Bullying or harassment may be by an individual against an individual (perhaps by someone in a position of authority such as a manager or supervisor) or involve groups of people. It may be obvious or it may be insidious. Whatever form it takes, it is unwarranted and unwelcome to the individual.
might like to familiarise themselves with the definition of bullying and harrassment, it might keep you in a job.
from the ACAS website
Acas - Advice leaflet - Bullying and harassment at work: Guidance for employees
What are bullying and harassment?
The key is that the actions or comments are viewed as demeaning and unacceptable to the recipient.
Bullying may be characterised as offensive, intimidating, malicious or insulting behaviour, an abuse or misuse of power through means intended to undermine, humiliate, denigrate or injure the recipient. Bullying or harassment may be by an individual against an individual (perhaps by someone in a position of authority such as a manager or supervisor) or involve groups of people. It may be obvious or it may be insidious. Whatever form it takes, it is unwarranted and unwelcome to the individual.
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Juan Tripp gets it spot on !
Anybody that comes on Forums like this one and tries to rewrite history by being in a state of personal denial is little more than a resemblance to a book-burning convention.
We all KNOW that bullying and harrassment has been coming directly from the Bassa bosses since 2009 on these current dispute/IA issues.
The branch secretary has made many sinister attempts to publicly humiliate and harrass his own members with his "you/they can't touch me" attitude whilst he writes offensive remarks about Bassa members and non-members alike; let alone the BA bosses.
The finger pointing and name calling has been personally penned, with great pride, by Bassa bosses on their Forum and in their newsletters.
Rant over.
(My apologies to Miss M and UD Psr if they never read any of these articles before and don't know what I'm talking about.)
We all KNOW that bullying and harrassment has been coming directly from the Bassa bosses since 2009 on these current dispute/IA issues.
The branch secretary has made many sinister attempts to publicly humiliate and harrass his own members with his "you/they can't touch me" attitude whilst he writes offensive remarks about Bassa members and non-members alike; let alone the BA bosses.
The finger pointing and name calling has been personally penned, with great pride, by Bassa bosses on their Forum and in their newsletters.
Rant over.
(My apologies to Miss M and UD Psr if they never read any of these articles before and don't know what I'm talking about.)
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There are no, or perhaps very few, examples on this thread. The perception than many who visit for a rhetoric post or two is that some posts are against individuals. Not true, the organisation known as BASSA deserves the contempt heaped upon it, the actions of many individuals, albeit questionable by others, can only be justified by themselves.
BASSA have been contemptible throughout this dispute with poor communication, poor grasp of the realities of the dispute and a pack of duty of care for their members. That is why people post their displeasure and astonishment on this thread. It is one of the few unbiased places one can.
BASSA have been contemptible throughout this dispute with poor communication, poor grasp of the realities of the dispute and a pack of duty of care for their members. That is why people post their displeasure and astonishment on this thread. It is one of the few unbiased places one can.
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Thankyou. The fact is that this has been happening for years and years, 20-30+ IMO. Pretty much every time I've asked a rep a question over the years, the shutters come up. They just hate being questioned about anything. I know I'm not the only one. A lot of my questions have been for them to answer things last year like ' how did you make £175 million savings when its obvious its nothing like that. Later both BA and PWC concluded it was less than 30% of that total. But all I got was believe us, dont worry as we know what we are doing, why are you questioning US, etc. As Private Jones used to say, ' oh no they don't like it up em' !!
However I want to make something very clear. I have flown with a number of lanyard wearing, bag tagged crew recently who have been very professional, caring, hard working great crew members. Its so refreshing when that happens. The sad thing is that I have always desperately wanted to be be a member of a union that listens, delivers, is honest and is fair. Unfortunately those things are everything that Bassa hasn' been and NEVER will be
Juan Tripp gets it spot on !
Anybody that comes on Forums like this one and tries to rewrite history by being in a state of personal denial is little more than a resemblance to a book-burning convention.
We all KNOW that bullying and harrassment has been coming directly from the Bassa bosses since 2009 on these current dispute/IA issues.
The branch secretary has made many sinister attempts to publicly humiliate and harrass his own members with his "you/they can't touch me" attitude whilst he writes offensive remarks about Bassa members and non-members alike; let alone the BA bosses.
The finger pointing and name calling has been personally penned, with great pride, by Bassa bosses on their Forum and in their newsletters.
Rant over.
(My apologies to Miss M and UD Psr if they never read any of these articles before and don't know what I'm talking about.)
Anybody that comes on Forums like this one and tries to rewrite history by being in a state of personal denial is little more than a resemblance to a book-burning convention.
We all KNOW that bullying and harrassment has been coming directly from the Bassa bosses since 2009 on these current dispute/IA issues.
The branch secretary has made many sinister attempts to publicly humiliate and harrass his own members with his "you/they can't touch me" attitude whilst he writes offensive remarks about Bassa members and non-members alike; let alone the BA bosses.
The finger pointing and name calling has been personally penned, with great pride, by Bassa bosses on their Forum and in their newsletters.
Rant over.
(My apologies to Miss M and UD Psr if they never read any of these articles before and don't know what I'm talking about.)
Thankyou. The fact is that this has been happening for years and years, 20-30+ IMO. Pretty much every time I've asked a rep a question over the years, the shutters come up. They just hate being questioned about anything. I know I'm not the only one. A lot of my questions have been for them to answer things last year like ' how did you make £175 million savings when its obvious its nothing like that. Later both BA and PWC concluded it was less than 30% of that total. But all I got was believe us, dont worry as we know what we are doing, why are you questioning US, etc. As Private Jones used to say, ' oh no they don't like it up em' !!
However I want to make something very clear. I have flown with a number of lanyard wearing, bag tagged crew recently who have been very professional, caring, hard working great crew members. Its so refreshing when that happens. The sad thing is that I have always desperately wanted to be be a member of a union that listens, delivers, is honest and is fair. Unfortunately those things are everything that Bassa hasn' been and NEVER will be
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BASSA > Latest News
FURTHER UPDATE - DUNCAN’S BLOG
Oct 18th, 2010 by admin
Hi Everyone, just a quick update from me as I know you must all be wondering what the hell is going on. We have now taken all the legal advice referred to in Saturday’s message. All the available reps are meeting Tony Woodley tomorrow to discuss BA’s proposal. A decision as to the way forward will then be taken and conveyed to you asap. Sorry this has taken 48 hours to arrange but we are not functioning as we should due to various reasons such as de-rostering etc etc.
The 4X thing last week has attracted quite a bit of comment - it was a great shame we were not able to see the whole thing through as planned and although some of you were irritated by it I can say my phone did not stop ringing from the media, who were desperate for the "story". Was it right? Was it wrong? I don’t know. The day Tony Woodley was meant to announce the new ballot was 10.10.10.10 which fitted the X.X.X.X. in Roman dates very nicely, but like I said it was not to be. Sometimes you can be too clever but sometimes you cannot be clever enough!!
The Saturday before last I went to Fontwell races (near Brighton) and it poured with rain most of the day. I was trying to shelter under a pint of Guinness (well there was an Irish theme to the day, with the Sawdoctors doing a live show after the races) when a familiar face hove into view. He said to me I’ve got load of BASSA brollies back at the football ground if you want one. Wiping the drops of rain from my glasses I recognised the bearded caretaker from Bedfont, an old friend. He said "will we see you lot again?". I said "never say never". He smiled and said the trampled plants underneath the windows had made a full recovery in our absence!
Actually had a good day with a couple of winners and Louise had a big win in the first race! That put a smile on her face. Mind you she lost most of it when heavily backing "Wayward Lad" (after our son) in the last!
Meanwhile, I’d like to thank Sunni for keeping the BASSA blog thing alive and well on the forum - she really has a hidden talent that I never knew she had. She is "to the manor born" with this rep thing has settled in like an old trooper and let’s face it the intake of new reps in the last few years have had a baptism of fire. They have all done well.
OK, enough chat, all eyes are bound to turn to our meeting tomorrow, don’t worry we are all aware of your views as given at the last branch and on the forum and via your e mails. Nothing will happen without your express approval one way or the other. Please bear with us another 24 hours, it is very important we get the next step right and a full debate between us and UNITE takes place. The whole BASSA/AMICUS committee have not been together since the last strike day at Bedfont. We are as strong in our hearts as ever - have no fear. Hopefully more news tomorrow, if we get home in time. Rgds to all - Duncan - KTF
BASSA > Latest News
FURTHER UPDATE - DUNCAN’S BLOG
Oct 18th, 2010 by admin
Hi Everyone, just a quick update from me as I know you must all be wondering what the hell is going on. We have now taken all the legal advice referred to in Saturday’s message. All the available reps are meeting Tony Woodley tomorrow to discuss BA’s proposal. A decision as to the way forward will then be taken and conveyed to you asap. Sorry this has taken 48 hours to arrange but we are not functioning as we should due to various reasons such as de-rostering etc etc.
The 4X thing last week has attracted quite a bit of comment - it was a great shame we were not able to see the whole thing through as planned and although some of you were irritated by it I can say my phone did not stop ringing from the media, who were desperate for the "story". Was it right? Was it wrong? I don’t know. The day Tony Woodley was meant to announce the new ballot was 10.10.10.10 which fitted the X.X.X.X. in Roman dates very nicely, but like I said it was not to be. Sometimes you can be too clever but sometimes you cannot be clever enough!!
The Saturday before last I went to Fontwell races (near Brighton) and it poured with rain most of the day. I was trying to shelter under a pint of Guinness (well there was an Irish theme to the day, with the Sawdoctors doing a live show after the races) when a familiar face hove into view. He said to me I’ve got load of BASSA brollies back at the football ground if you want one. Wiping the drops of rain from my glasses I recognised the bearded caretaker from Bedfont, an old friend. He said "will we see you lot again?". I said "never say never". He smiled and said the trampled plants underneath the windows had made a full recovery in our absence!
Actually had a good day with a couple of winners and Louise had a big win in the first race! That put a smile on her face. Mind you she lost most of it when heavily backing "Wayward Lad" (after our son) in the last!
Meanwhile, I’d like to thank Sunni for keeping the BASSA blog thing alive and well on the forum - she really has a hidden talent that I never knew she had. She is "to the manor born" with this rep thing has settled in like an old trooper and let’s face it the intake of new reps in the last few years have had a baptism of fire. They have all done well.
OK, enough chat, all eyes are bound to turn to our meeting tomorrow, don’t worry we are all aware of your views as given at the last branch and on the forum and via your e mails. Nothing will happen without your express approval one way or the other. Please bear with us another 24 hours, it is very important we get the next step right and a full debate between us and UNITE takes place. The whole BASSA/AMICUS committee have not been together since the last strike day at Bedfont. We are as strong in our hearts as ever - have no fear. Hopefully more news tomorrow, if we get home in time. Rgds to all - Duncan - KTF
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Oh dear, same old same lod from our 'fictional writer of the year'. So now its now lines and lines about a day at the races eh. Duncan, just get to the point man. As my history master would have said - 2 out of 20 Holley, just pure woffle!! So it seems we are reaching the point of no return. I seriously would pay good money to be witness to TW speaking privately to Duncan tomorrow. As they say at any major gambling point, its time to show us the colour of your money.
Meanwhile, I’d like to thank Sunni for keeping the BASSA blog thing alive and well on the forum - she really has a hidden talent that I never knew she had. She is "to the manor born" with this rep thing has settled in like an old trooper
Ahhh this is the same CSD Sunni who has been going into the back galley of the 767 and asking crew ' Do you know the names of any of the f*****g c**** who crossed the picket lines as if you do give them to me as we want to expell them from Bassa.' Yes I apoligise for the language Mod, but these were the actual words used. I have had not one crew but two separate crew on differant flights tellig me she said this. Charming.
Yes a true Bassa stawlwart whose talent keeps in well with the mantra from the GS Duncan
Meanwhile, I’d like to thank Sunni for keeping the BASSA blog thing alive and well on the forum - she really has a hidden talent that I never knew she had. She is "to the manor born" with this rep thing has settled in like an old trooper
Ahhh this is the same CSD Sunni who has been going into the back galley of the 767 and asking crew ' Do you know the names of any of the f*****g c**** who crossed the picket lines as if you do give them to me as we want to expell them from Bassa.' Yes I apoligise for the language Mod, but these were the actual words used. I have had not one crew but two separate crew on differant flights tellig me she said this. Charming.
Yes a true Bassa stawlwart whose talent keeps in well with the mantra from the GS Duncan
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The 4X thing last week has attracted quite a bit of comment - it was a great shame we were not able to see the whole thing through as planned and although some of you were irritated by it I can say my phone did not stop ringing from the media, who were desperate for the "story". Was it right? Was it wrong? I don’t know. The day Tony Woodley was meant to announce the new ballot was 10.10.10.10 which fitted the X.X.X.X. in Roman dates very nicely, but like I said it was not to be. Sometimes you can be too clever but sometimes you cannot be clever enough!!
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have you managed to come up with any examples?
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asking crew ' Do you know the names of any of the f*****g c**** who crossed the picket lines as if you do give them to me as we want to expell them from Bassa.'
Beyond awful!
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Upperdeckpurser - you do ask a lot of questions, and I can't help but feel that your questions would be better placed if you directed some serious questions at the BASSA 'leaders' (for want of another word).
Anyway, here's one for you. Do you care about DH's day at the races, what he had to drink there, who he met there, which horse he backed, and whether his wife's happy or not? Or would you rather have some concrete information about what your £16 per month (£192 per year cost to you - or £1,920,000 per year in BASSA's coffers) is being spent on?
Because to me, it looks very much like you and the other members may just be, to coin a phrase, backing a losing horse.
I am BA cabin crew and this is ny own viewpoint and not that of BA.
Anyway, here's one for you. Do you care about DH's day at the races, what he had to drink there, who he met there, which horse he backed, and whether his wife's happy or not? Or would you rather have some concrete information about what your £16 per month (£192 per year cost to you - or £1,920,000 per year in BASSA's coffers) is being spent on?
Because to me, it looks very much like you and the other members may just be, to coin a phrase, backing a losing horse.
I am BA cabin crew and this is ny own viewpoint and not that of BA.
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Because to me, it looks very much like you and the other members may just be, to coin a phrase, backing a losing horse.
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have you managed to come up with any examples?
As the blu riband posted
The key is that the actions or comments are viewed as demeaning and unacceptable to the recipient.
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Might be backing a 'losing' horse as you put it - but at least I got to take part in the race, unlike backing the PCCC which is a total 'non-starter'
What return have the members had on the £1,920,000 BASSA has taken from them this year? (apart from bouncy castles, and soggy samosas?)