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Old 1st Nov 2010, 17:07
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Perhaps they'll get a superior quality of training, from a third party company rather, than the tired old "What's the bit called between the **** and the ****hole" jokes, or the "Don't talk to the pilots" rant? Perhaps they'll get better SEP training than the shambolic stuff we see at the moment? Perhaps it's because they've applied for the job knowing they're not going to get the huge overtime and allowance payments that have attracted candidates in previous years yet they still want to do it? Perhaps because they are a small fleet you'll see cameraderie and esprit de corps reflected in their customer service rather than having a bunch of tired old militants, angry at the world, snarling their way through the service before dashing off to the bunks ASAP? Perhaps because their performance management (does that even exist in IFCE?) means they can't get away with being below lazy, and thus the dreaded inconsistency in cabin service which BA has been unable to shake off might finally be defeated? Just a few ideas.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 17:14
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Lots of perhaps' there Yellowpen and even if all that were true,still can't get my head round the use of the word "elite".......sounds like typical BA brainwashing to me.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 17:27
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Angel

blue,

What makes you think everyone will be brilliant. Do you think BA have previously recruited people that they think wont be brilliant.

Your attitude sums up exactly the kind of ridiculouse brainwashing that has been going on at crainbank.

Lets just hope for all our sakes that most will be more like elldee and ptc.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 17:34
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Yellow pen,
We must work for different airlines because I don't recognise anything you say.

You come accross as a very bitter person.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 17:51
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Agree with you there Bettygirl.
Definition of "brilliant"-very splendid or distinguished having keen intelligence , great talent or skill.
Definition of "elite"-group or part thereof selected or regarded as the finest , best , most distinguished , most powerfull.
I'm sorry but these definitions cannot surely be used to describe Mid Fleet or any other fleet.There maybe someone out there in the worldwide cabincrew community about whom these terms could be used but they must be very rare individuals.
Most of us are just love our job and are good at it (we hope).
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 18:04
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Yellow pen,

Just been told by another crew member that two of the new CSMs on Mixed fleet were actually strikers.

These are your new elite crew then!!!

See the truth is that we are all just crew, some are excellent, some are good, some are bad, some are militant and some are great in an interview. Mixed fleet will be just the same, a big mix of humanity. Just the same as current crew, except they will have a smart hat and earn less.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 18:17
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The reality is that crew on MF will not necessarily be "elite" or superior to crew on other fleets...but this is management trying to slightly modify the mentality and culture for BA cabin crew as MF will eventually become the largest CC fleet in the company (though this will obviousely take quite a few years). There are some fantastic crew on EF, WW & SFLGW - on a good flight the crew can beat the competition hands down. But yes there are some who don't really care for the job anymore and stay because the money/ perks are good and they would find it hard to get something similar with the same benefits. BA are using the launch of a new fleet as an opportunity to try instill a new culture amongst it's crew, that they are "elite" professionals. Whether they intend to financially reward them as "professionals" is another story, but I really don't think existing BA crew should take offence by stories of MF crew being told they are better than everyone else as it's not the reality.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Betty girl View Post
Just been told by another crew member that two of the new CSMs on Mixed fleet were actually strikers.
So, they went on strike in an attempt to prevent erosion of terms and conditions and then...accepted a contract with worse terms and conditions than they were on?

I don't doubt your information Betty but does that not appear a bit odd to you?
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 18:48
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They were probably main crew on a basic of 11000,who decided that a basic of 29000 was better for their bank account.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 19:14
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Tomkins speaks for Betty

Right! But it's not a basic of 29 though is it.

Do you know the answer tomkins or are you just guessing?
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 19:33
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Angel

CSM's are on a basic of 24k and yes I do think it strange. I know that many crew that did not strike are furious but it is against the law to discriminate against people who strike.

I only mentioned it because there seem to be a lot of people on PPRuNe that seem to think that crew on Mixed fleet are somehow going to be the most fantastic crew in the world.

The truth is that they will all be very keen because they will predominantly be new crew but in reality they will all develop the same flaws as any other crew do. You will get a mixture of great crew and OK crew just like any other fleet or airline for that matter.

BA cabin crew have won many awards over the years and in general the majority of BA crew are incredibly professional. You always get the odd lazy crew member but if you listened to some of the posters on PPRuNe you would think we were all a bunch of lazy militants and that is just not a true picture at all.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 19:34
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I would be very surprised if a 'striker' got the job as a CSM.

What happened to the change of ethos!!
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 19:46
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I had heard that they had upped the basic to 29000 as they were having problems getting the quality of csms that they were hoping for.Gonna check it out now.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 19:47
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Sporan,
How will they know if they striked or not in Recruitment and Selection Dept. To apply for CSM you just had to submit an application and go through an interview.

It is against the law to hold lists of or to discriminate against Strikers.

The interview involved a 2 to 1 interview where the candidate had to answer questions, a lot of role play situations and a presentation by the candidate to some of the selectors. By all accounts it was an incredibly intensive interview and I am sure all the candidates who passed it, deserved to.

How would the selectors have been able to tell if the candidate had striked or not?

I am surprised, that the people that striked went for the job but you have to remember that this is now the only way to get promotion as it will be almost non existent on WW or E/F
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 19:51
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I am right!!!
Lord Spandex Masher and Betty girl.New basic for mid fleet csm is 29000 go check on BA.com
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 19:52
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tomkins, on the beoutstanding website it says the package starts at 29 which includes EHP. So not basic.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 19:59
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Angel

It say the ''total package'' starts at 29K.

This includes the 2.40 per hour that BA anticipate you will earn as well as your basic.

The ad was modified a few weeks after recruitment started because not many senior crew from other airlines were responding to the 24K.

If you look at the main crew site it says they will earn 19K. Which is 6K more than current crew basic!!!!!!

As I actually know people who have got mixed fleet please take my word that the basic is 24K plus 2.40 per hour flight pay which BA estimate will equate to 29K.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 20:05
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Sorry just gonna crawl back into my hole.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 20:06
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LSM said,
So, they went on strike in an attempt to prevent erosion of terms and conditions and then...accepted a contract with worse terms and conditions than they were on?

I don't doubt your information Betty but does that not appear a bit odd to you?
LSM,
Betty Girl is 100% correct. I know two who have got the job.
BA are not allowed to discriminate.
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Old 1st Nov 2010, 20:10
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Tiramisu,

Don't misunderstand me, I don't question the accuracy of the information.

It just seems a bit odd, to me, that one day you're on strike berating BA and Willie and the next you apply for and happily accept a package which is one of the reasons you went on strike in the first place. A moral about turn?!







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