British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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Duncan Fashion
Are you saying that BA have removed ST from 3500 crew but 7000 are claiming strike pay?
I think you may have bigger problems than 74%/29% support
PS i notice that you post as if you are both LH & SH crew so are you LGW?
Are you saying that BA have removed ST from 3500 crew but 7000 are claiming strike pay?
I think you may have bigger problems than 74%/29% support
PS i notice that you post as if you are both LH & SH crew so are you LGW?
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And then you will be next.
DF Have a good close look at how the working practices of all other departments have changed over the past 10 years or so. Then have a look at how the working practices of the LHR LH Cabin Crew have changed.
To paraphrase you:
Cabin Crew 'You are the last'.
Surely as the sun rises there will be challenges in the future but, and its a very big but, all other depaerments are in a position to negotiate not just stick fingers in ears and shout No, Willie Walsh Out in a purile manner.
Not long back from a 5 day tour. Hard work but pleasant enough. Our final crew were on a "one out-stand over-one back, not that it happens very often tour." Still plenty of fat left in the system then even after reducing crew complements.
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sky news reporting.........
Sky news reporting that they are taking legal action against BA for the removal of staff travel...............
There was me getting all excited about a new strike ballot, but no, its going to be a court case
Perhaps UNITE have worked out that striking has not worked, or maybe not! This could run and run in court, all the time new fleet grows
There was me getting all excited about a new strike ballot, but no, its going to be a court case
Perhaps UNITE have worked out that striking has not worked, or maybe not! This could run and run in court, all the time new fleet grows
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It's now obvious why BA never released any figures of how many crew were reporting and not during the last strike in May and June.
It must be such a defeat for some of you as you have been saying for some time that only a handful of us went on strike!
It must be such a defeat for some of you as you have been saying for some time that only a handful of us went on strike!
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Duncan Fashion,
Can you confirm for me that it's possible to have gone on strike on the first day of a block, but then to go into work on subsequent days, thereby having a roster showing xxxx but having worked most days?
Also how accurate will Bassa have been in ensuring multiple claims from people striking at different times will have only been counted once?
Any fact I've read from bassa that I've had any direct knowledge of has ALWAYS been partially or wholly wrong. Bearing in mind DH is notorious for his database skills I know how much confidence I have in these figures.
BA staff travel have issued3500 ish staff travel removal letters. About right I'd say.
The crewforum bunch are so happy to have something to crow about, but would they ever dare question Bassa's numbers, or ask who 'authenticated' the authenticated numbers?
Thought not
Can you confirm for me that it's possible to have gone on strike on the first day of a block, but then to go into work on subsequent days, thereby having a roster showing xxxx but having worked most days?
Also how accurate will Bassa have been in ensuring multiple claims from people striking at different times will have only been counted once?
Any fact I've read from bassa that I've had any direct knowledge of has ALWAYS been partially or wholly wrong. Bearing in mind DH is notorious for his database skills I know how much confidence I have in these figures.
BA staff travel have issued3500 ish staff travel removal letters. About right I'd say.
The crewforum bunch are so happy to have something to crow about, but would they ever dare question Bassa's numbers, or ask who 'authenticated' the authenticated numbers?
Thought not
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BA could, I'm sure, publish any amount of figures, facts and related information, if they wanted to. But what would it bring to the situation as it stands now? The final offer has been made, some have signed and accepted it, the union has rejected it, or more precisely, 3419 union members have done so. Showing or not showing how many went on strike is not going to add anything of value, or do anything to bring this dispute to an end. BA are probably quite certain what their next move will be, but are under no pressure to reveal it just yet. Can the same be said of Unite, who have held their ballot, got the result and now have to reveal what they are going to do with it?
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Diplome over on the SLF thread has cleverly pointed something out for us all:
Sorry Mods, if I'm not supposed to do this. Thought it would be interesting for those who don't venture into that forum.
There is a real and rather blatant problem with Mr. Holley's latest message.
Apart from BASSA's repeated difficulties with being honest in their representations (i.e. 20 planes parked at Cardiff, only 6 Cabin Crew members crossed the picket line, etc., etc.) there is the obvious fact that the Union itself stated that the strike had poor support.
From a May 16th message:
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If the same number that broke the strike before do so again, then it's over; your union has been destroyed, not by Mr. Walsh - he could never achieve that - but by you from within, by deserting us when the going got tough.
The full text of that message can be found at this link.
http://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf...ve#post5696463
We know that the numbers supporting the strike did not increase from later messages and information received from Bedfont, and from the increased flight performance by BA.
The most obvious evidence of poor support is the simple fact that the strike failed, the imposition remains and Mixed Fleet is a soon to be reality.
BASSA can attempt to rewrite history but Mr. Holley's message is a rather crude attempt at deflection.
His opening line is:
Quote:
Some of you have expressed disappointment at the low turnout for the recent ballot
He then goes on to cite non-verifiable internal numbers, dismisses entire sections of BASSA's membership (Gatwick), none of which have to do with the initial point of concern, all because he cannot dispute the third-party verified low turnout for the last ballot.
Mr. Holley might as well have been speaking of his tomatoes.
Apart from BASSA's repeated difficulties with being honest in their representations (i.e. 20 planes parked at Cardiff, only 6 Cabin Crew members crossed the picket line, etc., etc.) there is the obvious fact that the Union itself stated that the strike had poor support.
From a May 16th message:
Quote:
If the same number that broke the strike before do so again, then it's over; your union has been destroyed, not by Mr. Walsh - he could never achieve that - but by you from within, by deserting us when the going got tough.
The full text of that message can be found at this link.
http://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf...ve#post5696463
We know that the numbers supporting the strike did not increase from later messages and information received from Bedfont, and from the increased flight performance by BA.
The most obvious evidence of poor support is the simple fact that the strike failed, the imposition remains and Mixed Fleet is a soon to be reality.
BASSA can attempt to rewrite history but Mr. Holley's message is a rather crude attempt at deflection.
His opening line is:
Quote:
Some of you have expressed disappointment at the low turnout for the recent ballot
He then goes on to cite non-verifiable internal numbers, dismisses entire sections of BASSA's membership (Gatwick), none of which have to do with the initial point of concern, all because he cannot dispute the third-party verified low turnout for the last ballot.
Mr. Holley might as well have been speaking of his tomatoes.
Sorry Mods, if I'm not supposed to do this. Thought it would be interesting for those who don't venture into that forum.
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Sky news reporting that they are taking legal action against BA for the removal of staff travel...............
Let's hope WW makes a fool of himself and has to return staff travel fully without any sanctions. If this happens, maybe management should be forced to reimburse all the money we have had to spend on regular tickets because they removed our concessions for taking a lawful industrial action. I bet BA would be more than thrilled to receive my claim of somewhere around two and three thousand pounds that I have spent on tickets!
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Ava, don't get too excited now. Also, how have you spent several thousands on flights already, considering when you first arrived on the scene here, you told us you only come into work (from JoBurg) every 28 days?? Did you pay for a Club ticket? The strikes only finished nearing mid June....
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Sky news reporting that they are taking legal action against BA for the removal of staff travel...............
There was me getting all excited about a new strike ballot, but no, its going to be a court case
Perhaps UNITE have worked out that striking has not worked, or maybe not! This could run and run in court, all the time new fleet grows
There was me getting all excited about a new strike ballot, but no, its going to be a court case
Perhaps UNITE have worked out that striking has not worked, or maybe not! This could run and run in court, all the time new fleet grows
And I see from Unite to challenge BA decision to remove striking cabin crew?s travel concessions
that there's an ACAS session with BA next week and that "The union will also meet with cabin crew representatives to review the dispute". That should be an interesting meeting.
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I lost my staff travel months ago. I have bought a couple of tickets since but fares to JNB are not cheap, not even when travelling in the back. I have both missed and had to re-book a couple of flights due to delays and standby duties.
I try to avoid BA as the plague too.
I try to avoid BA as the plague too.
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Well the chickens are coming home to roost now. You live by the sword and you die by the sword.
Now BA are on the receiving end of a mountain of litigation. There is still the appeal to come in October, which they stand a real chance of losing, otherwise part of the "final solution" sorry I mean offer, would not have been to drop all litigation against the airline.
How disappointed you must all be here. Most of you in other departments rolled over and took Willies pill, whilst the cabin crew have fought against a tyrannical management and CEO. Now you act as emissaries for a failed management still trying to find different angles in which to criticise BASSA and the thousands of its members that made a stand. At the end of the day, a mostly female workforce has stood up to a bully. Shame on the rest of you.
I see that BP shares rose today and added £2bn to the value of the company with the news that CEO Tony Hayward has fallen on his sword. Considering BA shares are half of what they were when Walsh took over, how much would they rise if there was a change of CEO at BA? I reckon they would go up to £12 with all the good news lately about the merger and the alliance.
Tony Hayward wasn't worth £2bn and certainly Willie Walsh is depressing share values at BA. How much would BA shares rise when he goes?
Now BA are on the receiving end of a mountain of litigation. There is still the appeal to come in October, which they stand a real chance of losing, otherwise part of the "final solution" sorry I mean offer, would not have been to drop all litigation against the airline.
How disappointed you must all be here. Most of you in other departments rolled over and took Willies pill, whilst the cabin crew have fought against a tyrannical management and CEO. Now you act as emissaries for a failed management still trying to find different angles in which to criticise BASSA and the thousands of its members that made a stand. At the end of the day, a mostly female workforce has stood up to a bully. Shame on the rest of you.
I see that BP shares rose today and added £2bn to the value of the company with the news that CEO Tony Hayward has fallen on his sword. Considering BA shares are half of what they were when Walsh took over, how much would they rise if there was a change of CEO at BA? I reckon they would go up to £12 with all the good news lately about the merger and the alliance.
Tony Hayward wasn't worth £2bn and certainly Willie Walsh is depressing share values at BA. How much would BA shares rise when he goes?
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Ooooooh, that's going to take a little longer than the originally promised 5mins!
BASSA have certainly never said that to me
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Chickens coming home to roost?
DF, I would suspect the adage of not counting your chickens until the eggs hatch is more suitable, Unite have not lodged in the courts as yet, still have the case to be heard and then await a verdict.
I bet BA already sought legal advise prior to removing ST.
Contractually the ST issue is at the gift of BA and this will be their defence, it is in black and white and I would bet Ava's farm on the outcome being in BA's favour.
Still backing BA.
I bet BA already sought legal advise prior to removing ST.
Contractually the ST issue is at the gift of BA and this will be their defence, it is in black and white and I would bet Ava's farm on the outcome being in BA's favour.
Still backing BA.
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Also how accurate will Bassa have been in ensuring multiple claims from people striking at different times will have only been counted once?
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Contractually the ST issue is at the gift of BA and this will be their defence, it is in black and white
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DF yes its great about BP just offloaded 10,000 that I bought at £3.88, 19p a share profit, just offloaded 6000 BA as well at 16p a share profit
I wouldn't be so quick to talk about chickens, its an honest question DF if you care to answer, rather than just use one rhetoric, how long do you think these cases will rumble on for? How many appeals will happen? (sorry thats 2 questions)
alright now for a third, when are UNITE going to ballot the Cabin Crew?
I wouldn't be so quick to talk about chickens, its an honest question DF if you care to answer, rather than just use one rhetoric, how long do you think these cases will rumble on for? How many appeals will happen? (sorry thats 2 questions)
alright now for a third, when are UNITE going to ballot the Cabin Crew?
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BASSAText 08 Feb2010 12:53
Remember, you can't be sacked for striking or voting YES! Staff travel takes 5 mins to re-instate. BA always threaten. Don't be frightened. VOTE YES!
As it was received by all members of BASSA and those of us who don't even work in your department any more. Including myself who left over two years ago.
Can you direct me to the link where it was ever stated that ST would be returned in 5 minutes?
BASSA have certainly never said that to me
BASSA have certainly never said that to me
Remember, you can't be sacked for striking or voting YES! Staff travel takes 5 mins to re-instate. BA always threaten. Don't be frightened. VOTE YES!
As it was received by all members of BASSA and those of us who don't even work in your department any more. Including myself who left over two years ago.