British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
What an appalling post - your comments are bullying in the extreme. I assume that those crew - Flight Crew included - who didn't respect my position (to strike) will also come under your 'influence' and you will have them 'leave' the company
The situation is utterly clear - if any crew member on one of my flight's comes to me and claims that they are subject to Bullying and Harrassment then I have a duty under company regs. to investigate such matter and if deemed necessary take matters further...one sanction that the Company may apply is dismissal of any offenders. That's simply a reminder that everyone needs to behave in a civilised manner, but if you think that's bullying so be it.
( Frankly we should all be concerned about more pressing matters at the moment, like having any airline of any sort by next month, but I guess working one down is much more important)
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“I think a lot of the public have lost support there otherwise would have been for the workers, it’s also lost support of other colleagues in BA.
“The colleague were on about the democratic vote and the reality is that there’s more people in BA than are cabin crew and some of those are outraged by some of the things that are being said in the name of good people in Bassa by some of the Bassa committee.
“So for example, putting a statement out that they badly maintain aircraft – and all the engineers who maintain those aircraft are members of our union – who are absolutely outraged.
“At lashing out at BA they’ve actually lashed out at our members. When I make those points, some people who think this dispute is a good fun, makes column inches in ultra-left wing press like to start arguing, they’ve now got some clown, I’ll name that one, running round BA on the Bassa website starting a petition to get me suspended for the comments misreported by the SWP.
“The colleague were on about the democratic vote and the reality is that there’s more people in BA than are cabin crew and some of those are outraged by some of the things that are being said in the name of good people in Bassa by some of the Bassa committee.
“So for example, putting a statement out that they badly maintain aircraft – and all the engineers who maintain those aircraft are members of our union – who are absolutely outraged.
“At lashing out at BA they’ve actually lashed out at our members. When I make those points, some people who think this dispute is a good fun, makes column inches in ultra-left wing press like to start arguing, they’ve now got some clown, I’ll name that one, running round BA on the Bassa website starting a petition to get me suspended for the comments misreported by the SWP.
Wow! Shows how much BASSA and Unite think of each other. As Litebulbs said earlier, maybe a new name is needed
British Airways: Derek Simpson responds to Socialist Worker|17Apr10|Socialist Worker
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it does make me chuckle however, when this thread fans up fear of retribution from strikers. It is hardly a group of miners we are talking about, is it?
Anybody who doesn't respect other people's positions, will be leaving the company.
The remedy is to accept that it is so and ride it out. Time will heal the rift for the most part and for the few, on either side, who can't move on, I suspect that we wouldn't want to join them for a beer in the bar anyway.
Tuesday is said to be the next deadline when the BASSA/Amicus reps hear from Unite what proposals have been made in their name and will decide whether to put it to the members. Nothing like some ash to dampen down a fire!
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Nothing like some ash to dampen down a fire!
Indeed.
Given current circumstances the backlash from the general public, media, non-BASSA members of the BA workforce, man in the pub, Uncle Tom Cobley and all will be interesting ,to say the least, if the Reps decide to press on with IA without putting some form of offer up for a vote.
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..Ah the good old "if you threaten to report me for bullying then you're bullying me" routine.
Wonder if he is also monitoring his wife's Facebook account
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Hi litebulbs,
I know for a fact that people have been sent anonymous messages via Facebook and others have had anonymous notes in their dropfiles at work. It might not be eggs on car windows or the slashing of tyres, but it's still an attempt to bully and intimidate those who may have chosen to work.
How many such notes do you think people who went to work have set people who went on strike? I'm guessing zero.
And no, we're not dealing with a bunch of miners here.... which is why the march past the Arora Hotel the other week was inappropriate in the extreme.
I know for a fact that people have been sent anonymous messages via Facebook and others have had anonymous notes in their dropfiles at work. It might not be eggs on car windows or the slashing of tyres, but it's still an attempt to bully and intimidate those who may have chosen to work.
How many such notes do you think people who went to work have set people who went on strike? I'm guessing zero.
And no, we're not dealing with a bunch of miners here.... which is why the march past the Arora Hotel the other week was inappropriate in the extreme.
I apologised for the comment. I was going to remove it, but it probably served more purpose staying, so people could rightly slap me down.
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I have.
Company instructions are now quite specific.
If anyone is caught bullying or harrasing on one of my flights I'll be the one doing the offloading. Clear enough?
Company instructions are now quite specific.
If anyone is caught bullying or harrasing on one of my flights I'll be the one doing the offloading. Clear enough?
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It is not in my gift to dismiss people. However I will be commencing the process by which unacceptable behaviour comes under closer analysis, should that become necessary.
That's an important part of my job.
Hopefully you understand my position a little better?
Edited to add: Lurker, the hypothetical behaviour you have just described would be utterly unacceptable, particularly so if it took place during flight.
You had the right to strike. You exercised that right. That must be respected.
'Heated' discussions are one thing. They alone may not constitute bullying or harassment. It would very much depend on the specific situation.
PS: I have a facebook account, my wife does not. Nor has she ever flown, or worked for BA.
that he is in a position to use his influence to get people the sack.
That's an important part of my job.
Hopefully you understand my position a little better?
Edited to add: Lurker, the hypothetical behaviour you have just described would be utterly unacceptable, particularly so if it took place during flight.
You had the right to strike. You exercised that right. That must be respected.
'Heated' discussions are one thing. They alone may not constitute bullying or harassment. It would very much depend on the specific situation.
PS: I have a facebook account, my wife does not. Nor has she ever flown, or worked for BA.
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That sounds much better thanks, rather than a clear threat
4468 - you know I was just being funny when I put the Facebook comment in
And for what it's worth I would never condone direct bullying or harassment of anybody - however I feel I do have a choice who to socialise with - onboard lets all be professional and get on with the job
4468 - you know I was just being funny when I put the Facebook comment in
And for what it's worth I would never condone direct bullying or harassment of anybody - however I feel I do have a choice who to socialise with - onboard lets all be professional and get on with the job
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PTC
I want to support our company but im starting to feel very lonely whilst down route due to us now being used on 'regular' flights with both strikers and non strikers.
Whilst noone has been directly nasty to me I have started to feel very uncomfortable when going out to dinner etc as the topic of conversation eventually leads to the issues going on at present.
Everyone knows why we were asked to come back and untimately in their eyes I am the very reason they are fighting to stops us ;taking their jobs away'.
You yourself knew why you where asked back - so I'm afraid you just have to get on with it
Added to the fact that the current crew are on completely diff allowances, its isn't nice to have this info written over briefing sheets etc.
I really don't agree on any of the issues of striking cc but feel very isolated when I want to socialize but im put in the situation of having to ;go along' with the conversations.
I find it maybe easier to not go out with the cc at all, and do my own thing, something that really isn't me!
I really don't know where to go from here and seriously thining of whether this is worth the hassel!!!
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What a sympathetic post you have displayed (
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FYI When I took the position we were specifically told it was just to cover IA and were told we would NOT be put inthe situation of covering shortfall and flying with striking crew. This has obviuosly changed, though Im still prepared to help. All I was stating is that its very difficult, but you really don't care of other peoples feelings, hopefully if you are crew, I never fly with you!
I will deal with what is thrown at me and will do my job with passion and enthusiasim, which is something BA needs right now, people who care and want to be there.
As this is a forum everyone is entitled to put their feelings forward which is what I was doing.
What a sympathetic post you have displayed (
)FYI When I took the position we were specifically told it was just to cover IA and were told we would NOT be put inthe situation of covering shortfall and flying with striking crew. This has obviuosly changed, though Im still prepared to help. All I was stating is that its very difficult, but you really don't care of other peoples feelings, hopefully if you are crew, I never fly with you!
I will deal with what is thrown at me and will do my job with passion and enthusiasim, which is something BA needs right now, people who care and want to be there.
As this is a forum everyone is entitled to put their feelings forward which is what I was doing.
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Hiya PTC
God love ya, but your post again just really goes to reitterate the fact that you need to get a thicker skin. You've joined (again) BA at an incredibly difficult and tense time. The atmosphere onboard the jet and down route is going to be unpleasant on occasion and it'll absolutely consume you if you let it.
I used to let it, so I'm speaking from experience. Now I'm happy to get on, do my job and not take sh*t from anyone.
God love ya, but your post again just really goes to reitterate the fact that you need to get a thicker skin. You've joined (again) BA at an incredibly difficult and tense time. The atmosphere onboard the jet and down route is going to be unpleasant on occasion and it'll absolutely consume you if you let it.
I used to let it, so I'm speaking from experience. Now I'm happy to get on, do my job and not take sh*t from anyone.
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PTC
As this is a forum everyone is entitled to put their feelings forward which is what I was doing.
You knowingly signed up to break the effect of any lawful Industrial Action - as you say nobody has been nasty to you - all the crew are doing is discussing the situation.
You really do need to get a grip and stop whining - you took the job knowing full well what you where doing
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You have my sympathy.
Luckily, A Lurker doesn't represent the majority view. Just the view of a few who display people skills for the benefit of a job interview, and sometimes lose the empathy side when they actually do the job.
If they were in the same situation as yourself, they would probably done the same. Let's face it, for CC job, BA is one of the best to join in the UK. If you had said no to BA's offer, I reckon you wouldn't have been confident of getting another call from them, once this dispute is sorted out.
You have my sympathy.
Luckily, A Lurker doesn't represent the majority view. Just the view of a few who display people skills for the benefit of a job interview, and sometimes lose the empathy side when they actually do the job.
If they were in the same situation as yourself, they would probably done the same. Let's face it, for CC job, BA is one of the best to join in the UK. If you had said no to BA's offer, I reckon you wouldn't have been confident of getting another call from them, once this dispute is sorted out.
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Nevermind
Let's face it, for CC job, BA is one of the best to join in the UK.
Oh and you know absolutely nothing of me or how I work so please keep your comments below to yourself - the forum rules state clearly no personal attacks
who display people skills for the benefit of a job interview, and sometimes lose the empathy side when they actually do the job.
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FYI I have just finished a Temp contract, and to be honest I have loved every minute and worked with some great people
hopefully if you are crew, I never fly with you!
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"That's life I'm afraid. They themselves knew the risks when they went on strike and they have to get on with it.
You took the risk buddy. Should have thought about that when you withheld your labour."
how on earth do you think that Crew who have lost their Staff Travel and money will want to be your 'mate'?
You took the risk buddy. Should have thought about that when you withheld your labour."
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"That's life I'm afraid. They themselves knew the risks when they went on strike and they have to get on with it.
You took the risk buddy. Should have thought about that when you withheld your labour."
You took the risk buddy. Should have thought about that when you withheld your labour."
How does that work????
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You are right . I only know you from your postings.
Aggressive and vitriolic is how I'd describe them.
How would you categorise a posting that tells people to stop whining? Is that personal?
ptc
Having spoken to the new crew like yourself, I feel sure you will be the first on New Fleet.
So just stick with us for a few months, and eventually you'll be flying with people like yourself,without the worry of dealing with the negative ones.
Welcome on board, and from who I have met, I'm sure you will all be a pleasure to fly with.
You are right . I only know you from your postings.
Aggressive and vitriolic is how I'd describe them.
How would you categorise a posting that tells people to stop whining? Is that personal?
ptc
Having spoken to the new crew like yourself, I feel sure you will be the first on New Fleet.
So just stick with us for a few months, and eventually you'll be flying with people like yourself,without the worry of dealing with the negative ones.
Welcome on board, and from who I have met, I'm sure you will all be a pleasure to fly with.